Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Real-only direct-conversion

2011-02-27 Thread Marcus D. Leech
On 02/27/2011 06:41 PM, Moeller wrote: A real valued zero-IF "universal" (modulation independent) receiver does not exist. I think you have the a demodulating receiver in mind that relies on symmetry in the baseband spectrum, like for AM. In this concept, "baseband" is the real valued audio base

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Real-only direct-conversion

2011-02-27 Thread Moeller
On 28.02.2011 00:22, Marcus D. Leech wrote: > But for a zero-IF, direct-conversion, with only a single baseband output > (single mixer), I don't see how you >can make it work. A real valued zero-IF "universal" (modulation independent) receiver does not exist. I think you have the a demodulat

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Real-only direct-conversion

2011-02-27 Thread Marcus D. Leech
On 02/27/2011 06:16 PM, Moeller wrote: As long as you receive the complete signal bandwidth, you can create the I/Q form later. Of course you need the double sample rate, if there's only the real "baseband" representation. I call it baseband, but you can also call it IF with the lowest possible

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Real-only direct-conversion

2011-02-27 Thread Moeller
On 27.02.2011 17:28, Marcus D. Leech wrote: > I was on a call the other night with someone who asserted that you > didn't need an I & Q representation > for a direct-conversion receiver, and that I and Q could be > synthesized later from a real-mode-only > baseband signal. ... > So, my feelin

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Real-only direct-conversion

2011-02-27 Thread Achilleas Anastasopoulos
Yes, it is possible: For a bandpass signal at f_0 with bandwidth 2W, if you sample with rate: Rs=4f_0/(2n+1) where n is an integer you will get the in-phase components at the even samples and the quadrature components at the odd samples. In particular, if you set n= integer part of (f0/2W -1/2

[Discuss-gnuradio] Real-only direct-conversion

2011-02-27 Thread Marcus D. Leech
I was on a call the other night with someone who asserted that you didn't need an I & Q representation for a direct-conversion receiver, and that I and Q could be synthesized later from a real-mode-only baseband signal. I know that very-early (1940s) direct-conversion receivers didn't use I a