Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Picking up RF cellular signals

2016-03-19 Thread Nikos Balkanas
Hi Meny, I imagine that's exactly what you need. Not only locate disaster victims, but also encourage them. You could always modify openbts code to not register or communicate with them, but what of the victim, thinking that it connected to a network and can't ask for help? BR, Nikos On Tue, Mar

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Picking up RF cellular signals

2016-03-15 Thread Meny Sidar
Marcus, Thanks again. Very helpful as always. Of course those are 2 completely different approaches, but this one can also be useful to me. I'll start looking in to it right now. Thanks! 2016-03-15 18:02 GMT+02:00 Marcus Müller : > That is direction finding, not distance estimation based on sign

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Picking up RF cellular signals

2016-03-15 Thread Marcus Müller
That is direction finding, not distance estimation based on signal power. Two totally different approaches. You'll need at least two antennas for direction estimation. Meny, you're an engineer, read up on the theory; it's actually fun to see these signal and geometric equations fall into place. I

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Picking up RF cellular signals

2016-03-15 Thread Meny Sidar
radio-bounces+ralph=schmid@gnu.org] *On Behalf Of *Meny > Sidar > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2016 3:18 PM > *To:* Nikos Balkanas > *Cc:* discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org; Marcus Müller > *Subject:* Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Picking up RF cellular signals > > > > Thank you for yo

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Picking up RF cellular signals

2016-03-15 Thread Ralph A. Schmid, dk5ras
+ralph=schmid@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Meny Sidar Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 3:18 PM To: Nikos Balkanas Cc: discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org; Marcus Müller Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Picking up RF cellular signals Thank you for your comments. Marcus, sorry for bugging you with this issue. I am

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Picking up RF cellular signals

2016-03-15 Thread Meny Sidar
Thank you for your comments. Marcus, sorry for bugging you with this issue. I am well aware of the previous discussions with you, and have learned from them as well as from other people. however, when i come across something like this for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUqzdrB1o2U i keep

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Picking up RF cellular signals

2016-03-14 Thread Nikos Balkanas
Indeed, there is phone locator protocol, and a service offered as by some companies. They work through provider contracts. The problem is that you have to know the phone number beforehand and the carrier. Not very useful in a disaster case :( BR, Nikos On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 5:50 PM, Marcus Müll

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Picking up RF cellular signals

2016-03-14 Thread Marcus Müller
Hi Meny, > > What i did so far, is a program that calculates and outputs in a loop > the power transmitted from a cellular phone from it's uplink channel. > that can tell me my distance to it. That won't really work, as I explained already[3]. Cell phones of any generation since 2G can (and must) s

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Picking up RF cellular signals

2016-03-14 Thread Sylvain Munaut
> So it works, but only if the phone is currently transmitting to the network > (phone call, internet, etc..) > > I'm trying to find a solution for this, > There has to be a way of knowing that some kind of RF transmitter/receiver > is near me... Well ... no, not realistically. An idle phone does

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Picking up RF cellular signals

2016-03-14 Thread Meny Sidar
It would be very helpful, but of course isn't an option... 2016-03-14 17:11 GMT+02:00 Dan CaJacob : > I don't know much about cell phones, but would it help if you placed a > call to a known number? Does that force a response? Of course, this might > be counter-productive in a congested disaste

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] Picking up RF cellular signals

2016-03-14 Thread Dan CaJacob
I don't know much about cell phones, but would it help if you placed a call to a known number? Does that force a response? Of course, this might be counter-productive in a congested disaster environment. - Dan On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 10:56 AM Meny Sidar wrote: > Hi guys, > > I am currently wo

[Discuss-gnuradio] Picking up RF cellular signals

2016-03-14 Thread Meny Sidar
Hi guys, I am currently working on a project for my university, where i'm trying to locate cellular phones using SDR (USRP B210). The idea of the project is to be able to find survivors/victims in disaster areas, such as earthquakes, by assuming they have their cellular on them. What i did so far