Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-17 Thread Phil Pennock
Catching up, I see nobody addressed this post. On 2013-05-07 at 07:56 -0700, Corey Quinn wrote: > This is why I hate trivia questions as a gauge of skill. If someone's asking trivia, they're making a mistake. If someone's asking something that sounds like trivia, there may be a communication mi

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-13 Thread Dave Close
unix_fan wrote: >Badge reader databases tend to be legacy. In my experience, if you >acquire a company, the IP networks will be integrated long before the >badge reader databases are integrated. They are typically purchased >and managed by Physical Security people (sometimes an outsourced >functio

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-13 Thread unix_fan
Craig Cook wrote: >>"The Security team had discovered it, was confirming it, but they have suddenly been locked out of the exfiltration servers and the key KVM over IP switch. " > >First, I am impressed that your company has a security team.  At the 68K employees level it is not that unusua

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-13 Thread Craig Cook
>"The Security team had discovered it, was confirming it, but they have suddenly been locked out of the exfiltration servers and the key KVM over IP switch. " First, I am impressed that your company has a security team.  Also, the fact that they discovered an incident in progress is also very

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-13 Thread Joseph Kern
So you have this Salesmen, see? And this Salesman needs to travel across seven bridges ... and these bridges may or may not exist, see? So this Salesman needs to travel across these bridges in the shortest amount of time, while evading the ... authorities. Show me your solution in P time, and you'r

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-13 Thread Jon Young
I haven't replied to this scenario yet because I assumed everyone else would jump on the obvious (to me)... the proposal contains all of the things reported as part of the active security incident. I'd first jump online with the security team and talk where/what they are seeing to confirm if this

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-12 Thread unix_fan
Alan Robertson >There seem to be a few easy solutions to this...  Right there you should question yourself. >Log into the switch and disable the port that corresponds to the cable >to pull.  I can do that on even my cheap switches here at home. > >Put a rule in the site firewall to shut down

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-11 Thread Michael Tiernan
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Darrell Fuhriman wrote: >these kind of trick questions are really a terrible thing to do. > > It establishes a power dynamic that you don't want in the interview > 1) Maybe he/she meant TCP, I'll answer that. > 2) This person doesn't know what they're talking about

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-10 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (lopser)
> From: discuss-boun...@lists.lopsa.org [mailto:discuss- > boun...@lists.lopsa.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Hruby > > 5) These people are horrible, I don't want this job anymore. I once had an interview that was so horrible, including a really outdated aptitude test that the interviewer acknowledged

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-09 Thread Alan Robertson
There seem to be a few easy solutions to this... But I'm an ignoramus - so correct me ;-) Log into the switch and disable the port that corresponds to the cable to pull. I can do that on even my cheap switches here at home. Put a rule in the site firewall to shut down the attacking IPs, or

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-09 Thread unix_fan
No one answered, so I'll take a crack at it. Atom Powers writes >To: Michael Tiernan > >On May 7, 2013 9:15 AM, "Michael Tiernan" wrote: >> "Here's a situation, >> [describe computer version of Kobayashi Maru problem]. >This sounds like fun. What are some of your favorite "unwinnable" probl

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-09 Thread Darrell Fuhriman
On May 9, 2013, at 15:54, Nathan Hruby wrote: >> >> 3 and 4 are particularly pernicious as they reinforce the dominant position >> of the interviewer, which again is not a good place to put an interviewee >> (or establish in a workplace). > > 5) These people are horrible, I don't want this jo

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-09 Thread Nathan Hruby
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Darrell Fuhriman wrote: > > 1) Maybe he/she meant TCP, I'll answer that. > 2) This person doesn't know what they're talking about, I'll humor them with > a vague answer > 3) Oh, shit, I had no idea there was such a thing, I'll bluff. > 4) Oh shit, I had no idea th

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-09 Thread Craig Constantine
+1 for treating people like people sans trick questions --Craig Constantine, http://constantine.name On May 9, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Darrell Fuhriman wrote: > I too have gotten the ubiquitous "TCP handshake" question. Only once > have I gotten a curve ball from someone with it, the question was >

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-09 Thread Darrell Fuhriman
> I too have gotten the ubiquitous "TCP handshake" question. Only once > have I gotten a curve ball from someone with it, the question was > "What is the UDP three way handshake?" He said he was wondering how > many people would catch the question's trick. Not directed at you, as such, but these k

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-08 Thread Atom Powers
On May 7, 2013 9:15 AM, "Michael Tiernan" wrote: > "Here's a situation, > [describe computer version of Kobayashi Maru problem]. This sounds like fun. What are some of your favorite "unwinnable" problems? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.lopsa.org

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-08 Thread Duncan Hutty
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/7/13 4:54 PM, Lawrence K. Chen, P.Eng. wrote: > > Then comes how do you troubleshoot the same problem with an https > port? openssl s_client -connect www.example.com:443 - -- Duncan Hutty http://www.allgoodbits.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread Lawrence K. Chen, P.Eng.
Wow, what a great idea...don't know why I never thought to try it in an interview? Considering its something I've had to do now and then in my job. Incidents will come in saying, why does http monitor say our website is down...port XXX is listeningand occasionally they'll add that they ca

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread Dean Wilson
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 08:16:41AM -0700, Corey Quinn wrote: > On May 7, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Dean Wilson wrote: > > "What happens when you type 'telnet example.com http" > Huh. I've been doing this for a decade and somehow never tumbled on to > telnet performing /etc/service lookups. Makes perfect

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread Robert Hajime Lanning
On 05/07/13 09:15, Michael Tiernan wrote: "What is the UDP three way handshake?" He said he was wondering how many people would catch the question's trick. You send three UDP packets in three different directions, then shake the hand of the person next to you. -- Mr. Flibble King of the Pota

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread David Parter
Matt Simmons wrote: >I'd rather ask (and answer) open ended questions.A Everyone always >asks "What is the TCP three way handshake", but my favorite question >is, "Why is it important to understand the three way handshake?" To followup more constructively... Now that I am the Direc

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread Michael Tiernan
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Alan Robertson wrote: > When I > interview people, I'm interested if they like to learn -- and if they're > going to fit into the organization. I too have gotten the ubiquitous "TCP handshake" question. Only once have I gotten a curve ball from someone with it, th

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread Alan Robertson
On 05/07/2013 09:19 AM, Brodie, Kent wrote: > I side along with Ski here--- soft skills and open-ended questions that > really try to help nail down just what KIND of *person* this is-- is this > someone that will get along well with the other co-workers? Is this someone > that, at 10pm on

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread Yves Dorfsman
On 2013-05-07 09:16, Corey Quinn wrote: "What happens when you type 'telnet example.com http" Huh. I've been doing this for a decade and somehow never tumbled on to telnet performing /etc/service lookups. Makes perfect sense in retrospect, this is just one of those things I somehow missed.

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread Derek Balling
On May 7, 2013, at 10:54 AM, David Parter wrote: >> I'd rather ask (and answer) open ended questions.A Everyone always >> asks "What is the TCP three way handshake", but my favorite question >> is, "Why is it important to understand the three way handshake?" >> --Matt > > Answer: to get

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread David Parter
Matt Simmons wrote: >I'd rather ask (and answer) open ended questions.A Everyone always >asks "What is the TCP three way handshake", but my favorite question >is, "Why is it important to understand the three way handshake?" >--Matt Answer: to get past this interview? --

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread Brodie, Kent
I side along with Ski here--- soft skills and open-ended questions that really try to help nail down just what KIND of *person* this is-- is this someone that will get along well with the other co-workers? Is this someone that, at 10pm on a Saturday night, will remote-in to the office to ex

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread Esther Schindler
Perhaps this article by Andy Lester might be of service in this discussion…? http://blog.smartbear.com/software-quality/bid/280171/Bad-Tech-Job-Interview-Questions-and-How-To-Answer-Them Personally my favorite thing to ask is, "What are you most proud of?" Some people give you a technical answer

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread Corey Quinn
On May 7, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Josh Smift wrote: > The real problem with interviewing is that most jobs are not very much like > interviews... You've hit the nail on the head here. I feel like we're selecting for people who are great at interviewing, which doesn't map very well to "does this pers

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread Corey Quinn
On May 7, 2013, at 8:23 AM, "Brodie, Kent" wrote: > Personal side note, telnet has always been a great debugging tool--- but > what kind of sucks is that these days, telnet is usually NOT included by > default in most linux distro installs. (it's available of course, but if > you didn't ex

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread John Broome
On May 7, 2013, at 10:42, Corey Quinn wrote: Tom Limoncelli posted a fascinating blog post today, at http://everythingsysadmin.com/2013/05/what-happens-when-you-type-tel.html What I learned from that article is that I have no business interviewing for a position Tom Limoncelli is hiring for. __

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread Josh Smift
CQ> This is why I hate trivia questions as a gauge of skill. Yeah. I'm also much more interested in communication skills and comfort with things like revision control, configuration management, ticket tracking, change control, and other principles like that, than about any particular technical sk

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread Corey Quinn
On May 7, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Dean Wilson wrote: > On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 10:52:51AM -0400, Matt Simmons wrote: >> I'd rather ask (and answer) open ended questions. Everyone always asks >> "What is the TCP three way handshake", but my favourite question is, "Why is >> it important to understand

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread Dean Wilson
On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 10:52:51AM -0400, Matt Simmons wrote: > I'd rather ask (and answer) open ended questions. Everyone always asks > "What is the TCP three way handshake", but my favourite question is, "Why is > it important to understand the three way handshake?" I've always used something l

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread Jan Schaumann
Corey Quinn wrote: > Tom Limoncelli posted a fascinating blog post today, at > http://everythingsysadmin.com/2013/05/what-happens-when-you-type-tel.html One of my favorite interview questions - been doing (variations of) this for years! My other favorite interview question -- if the resume incl

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread Yves Dorfsman
On 2013-05-07 08:41, Corey Quinn wrote: Tom Limoncelli posted a fascinating blog post today, at http://everythingsysadmin.com/2013/05/what-happens-when-you-type-tel.html It reminds me in some ways of https://plus.google.com/112218872649456413744/posts/dfydM2Cnepe (same question, a stupendously i

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread Ski Kacoroski
Beyond a few technical questions, most of my questions focus on soft skills as I cannot teach those. I can teach and train a person in technical skills if necessary. cheers, ski On 05/07/2013 07:56 AM, Corey Quinn wrote: On May 7, 2013, at 7:52 AM, Matt Simmons wrote: I'd rather ask (an

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread Corey Quinn
On May 7, 2013, at 7:52 AM, Matt Simmons wrote: > I'd rather ask (and answer) open ended questions. Everyone always asks "What > is the TCP three way handshake", but my favorite question is, "Why is it > important to understand the three way handshake?" This is why I hate trivia questions a

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Great Interview Questions

2013-05-07 Thread Matt Simmons
I'd rather ask (and answer) open ended questions. Everyone always asks "What is the TCP three way handshake", but my favorite question is, "Why is it important to understand the three way handshake?" --Matt On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Corey Quinn wrote: > Tom Limoncelli posted a fascin