Re: [lopsa-discuss] Budget Cooling

2011-08-24 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Edward Ned Harvey [mailto:lop...@nedharvey.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:29 AM > > If you get the enterprise product, you know what you're getting, and that's > why you're paying. > > If you get the "comfort" product, it's a calculated risk. > > Either way it's a calculated ri

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Budget Cooling

2011-08-24 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: discuss-boun...@lists.lopsa.org [mailto:discuss- > boun...@lists.lopsa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Healy > > http://www.e-comfortusa.com/products/mitsubishi-pkaa24ka4-- > puya24nha4-mr-slim--wall-mounted-mini-split-ac-cooling-only-system-- > 24000-btu/5543 I can't speak specifically about tha

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Budget Cooling

2011-08-23 Thread Steven Kurylo
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Tracy Reed wrote: > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 09:52:36AM -0400, Brian Mathis spake thusly: >> Also, you could improve the airflow by running a small fan in the >> corner of the room; just something to move the air around a bit.  Even >> on low speed it will make a di

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Budget Cooling

2011-08-23 Thread Tracy Reed
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 09:52:36AM -0400, Brian Mathis spake thusly: > Also, you could improve the airflow by running a small fan in the > corner of the room; just something to move the air around a bit. Even > on low speed it will make a difference in airflow over time. This will only add heat t

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Budget Cooling

2011-08-23 Thread Brian Mathis
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Tracy Reed wrote: > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 09:52:36AM -0400, Brian Mathis spake thusly: >> Also, you could improve the airflow by running a small fan in the >> corner of the room; just something to move the air around a bit.  Even >> on low speed it will make a di

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Budget Cooling

2011-08-23 Thread Luke S. Crawford
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 09:12:19AM -0400, Jason Healy wrote: > We're a school with a small server room that we're trying to keep cool (about > 4 racks, plus some telco gear). We have a dedicated AC unit in the room > right now, but it isn't able to keep up with the load in the space we have > (

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Budget Cooling

2011-08-23 Thread david
thinking outside the box here I don't know if the room is on a wall where this could work, but you may want to take a look at the coolerado systems (www.coolerado.com). I haven't used these, but they claim to get the energy efficiency of a swamp cooler without adding humidity to the air (~450

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Budget Cooling

2011-08-23 Thread Jason Healy
Thanks so much for the quick responses, this is all very helpful. A few additional notes: We're in Connecticut, so humidity isn't a huge problem most of the year. Additionally, getting down below 5 F outside doesn't happen too often, so I think we're in range there. Good point about 95 F for

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Budget Cooling

2011-08-23 Thread Brendan Mannella
discuss] Budget Cooling -- Forwarded message -- From: Jason Healy mailto:jhe...@logn.net>> Date: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM Subject: [lopsa-discuss] Budget Cooling To: LOPSA General Discussions mailto:disc...@lopsa.org>> We're a school with a small server roo

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Budget Cooling

2011-08-23 Thread Roy McMorran
On 8/23/11 9:12 AM, Jason Healy wrote: We're a school with a small server room that we're trying to keep cool (about 4 racks, plus some telco gear). We have a dedicated AC unit in the room right now, but it isn't able to keep up with the load in the space we have (the airflow isn't great). R

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Budget Cooling

2011-08-23 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Brian Mathis wrote: > Having the room at 75F does not sound like a problem to me.  A lot of > research has shown that running systems at higher temps has no > significant impact on failure rates.  This is research from places > like Google and Amazon. Probabiliti

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Budget Cooling

2011-08-23 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Jason Healy wrote: > Meanwhile, APC/Leibert are telling me that I'm crazy to consider another > "comfort" unit in this space, as they're not rated for this kind of use.  The > units they sell are pretty and shiny, but are 5x the price (plus > installation).  I

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Budget Cooling

2011-08-23 Thread Doug Hughes
I agree. When you need a highly reliable unit with a maintenance contract and periodic checkups, hardly anything beats a liebert. It doesn't seem like that is your situation. Like another said, invest in a decent temp monitor and some auto shutdown mechanics. Ps 75 is fine. In a recent press relea

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Budget Cooling

2011-08-23 Thread Brian Mathis
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Jason Healy wrote: > We're a school with a small server room that we're trying to keep cool (about > 4 racks, plus some telco gear).  We have a dedicated AC unit in the room > right now, but it isn't able to keep up with the load in the space we have > (the airf

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Budget Cooling

2011-08-23 Thread Nick Webb
Jason- If I was you I'd go with another Mitsubishi "Mr. Slim.". Sanctioned or not I see these in small, unproper and proper, server rooms all the time. They do a fine job... Not like the equipment in these rooms fail faster than others. Sure SNMP is nice, but for a few hundred bucks you can add

[lopsa-discuss] Budget Cooling

2011-08-23 Thread Jason Healy
We're a school with a small server room that we're trying to keep cool (about 4 racks, plus some telco gear). We have a dedicated AC unit in the room right now, but it isn't able to keep up with the load in the space we have (the airflow isn't great). Room is hovering around 75 F with AC on fu