On 07/12/15 22:13, Allan Irving wrote:
It has channels and topics. These work similarly to your use case of email. In
fact, like email - you can ignore or leave the discussion.
You can delete and keep specific messages.
Lack of threads are just replaced with channels.
You can trial it free fo
It has channels and topics. These work similarly to your use case of email. In
fact, like email - you can ignore or leave the discussion.
You can delete and keep specific messages.
Lack of threads are just replaced with channels.
You can trial it free for up to x users at no cost which was my s
On 2015-07-12 14:52, Allan Irving wrote:
> We are debating this as an alternative to a mailing list. Don’t get ahead of
> yourself. As an alternative, I think it works. However, you can disagree.
No it does not.
* slack lacks threads, you cannot isolate discussion, which means it gets
confusing w
Slack costs a lot more than someone is accounting for. Even paid annually,
it's a pretty penny for premium.
Saying one would cover it out of dues is a stretch. Don't feed the trolls?
--e
On Jul 12, 2015 7:05 PM, "Adam Moskowitz" wrote:
> Allan Irving wrote:
> > if some of you here would revi
Allan Irving wrote:
> if some of you here would review what Slack offer as premium . . . you
> would find security surpasses this mailing list.
Again: This list was set up to be open, archived, and searchable; there
was never any requirement for security. Anyone may join, and anyone --
including p
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015, Bill Bogstad wrote:
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Cat Okita wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015, Josh Smift wrote:
Which of Slack, e-mail, or IRC is best-suited for starting flamewars? In
your response, please address features such as ease of ignition, maximum
temperature, and i
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015, Edward Ned Harvey (lopser) wrote:
Allan Irving wrote:
How do we feel about trailing Slack instead of discussion lists?
While email may not be perfect, and it doesn't offer many of the
There *are* systems out there, that allow you to interact with them via email
exactly
I have nothing of value to add to this discussion that hasn't already been
said. However, I couldn't help but be reminded of the below scene when
reading through this:
https://youtu.be/LXQMoyhPNJA
On Jul 12, 2015 5:33 PM, "Brandon Allbery" wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Derek J. Balli
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Cat Okita wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Jul 2015, Josh Smift wrote:
>>
>> Which of Slack, e-mail, or IRC is best-suited for starting flamewars? In
>> your response, please address features such as ease of ignition, maximum
>> temperature, and intangibles like color or smoky
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015, Josh Smift wrote:
Which of Slack, e-mail, or IRC is best-suited for starting flamewars? In
your response, please address features such as ease of ignition, maximum
temperature, and intangibles like color or smoky flavor.
You've completely forgotten web forums of various sor
Which of Slack, e-mail, or IRC is best-suited for starting flamewars? In
your response, please address features such as ease of ignition, maximum
temperature, and intangibles like color or smoky flavor.
-Josh (iril...@infersys.com)
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Adam Moskowitz wrote:
> Allan Irving wrote:
>> How do we feel about trailing Slack instead of discussion lists?
>
> While email may not be perfect, and it doesn't offer many of the
> features found in tools such as Slack or Google Plus or Twitter, it has
> two big
I love that this discussion has become an entrenched war against the lack
of inherent security in Slack, but we are discussing it regarding the
replacement email and IRC, which are only slightly more secure than yelling
really loud.
We are discussing a platform for public forums. Let's all relax a
Yeah, go me this boils down to "what purpose does the mailing list serve?
Would that purpose be better served with an IM/chat/IRC type service? If
so, is Slack that service?"
It seems that we have not really answered the first question, but that,
whatever that purpose is, it would not be better s
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015, Allan Irving wrote:
+ last time I checked Slack was a IM replacement for teams. So it not
replacing IM or being different completely just is not true. Please do your
research properly before talking rubbish for lack of the word someone used
previously?
Er... did you actuall
+ last time I checked Slack was a IM replacement for teams. So it not replacing
IM or being different completely just is not true. Please do your research
properly before talking rubbish for lack of the word someone used previously?
> On 12 Jul 2015, at 22:47, Allan Irving wrote:
>
> Also, if
Also, if some of you here would review what Slack offer as premium (well
covered in members dues) you would find security surpasses this mailing list.
Yes, it’s not NSA proof but neither is this mailing list,
Judging by most of your email servers, security doesn’t apply. You haven’t got
so far
Slack IS archivable and equally, searches can be made.
> On 12 Jul 2015, at 22:37, Derek J. Balling wrote:
>
> Signed PGP part
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> On 7/12/2015 5:33 PM, Brandon Allbery wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Derek J. Balling
> > mailto:dr...@megacity.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Absolutely.
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On 7/12/2015 5:33 PM, Brandon Allbery wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Derek J. Balling
> mailto:dr...@megacity.org>> wrote:
>
> Absolutely. But in the modern paradigm it's stable, reliable, *and
> frequent*, which was the point i was ad
On 07/12/15 14:15, Derek J. Balling wrote:
Actually, the modern mindset has changed radically on this point.
Constant change is expected, even considered good, and something you
design to account for.
Now, I'm not saying I'm the best at achieving this goal yet, but the
tide definitely seems to h
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Derek J. Balling
wrote:
> Absolutely. But in the modern paradigm it's stable, reliable, *and
> frequent*, which was the point i was addressing in the message I was
> replying to.
>
I dare you to apply that to accounts receivable.
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brandon s allbery kf8nh
I would take that wager, were there a credible method of determining the
outcome. The organization for which I currently work is hardly "far more secure
than most", but we don't use Google Mail/Docs/Calendar, or GitHub, or online
ticketing. All those services are provided within our own infrastr
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On 7/12/2015 5:18 PM, Cat Okita wrote:
> Except the basic idea that you want to have things continue to work
> hasn't changed one bit -- and even when you're designing for
> continuous change, your design aims for stable and reliable change
> ...
> Ot was just a suggestion. If you want to crap all over me for it, then so
be it.
I don't think people where crapping all over you for it. But, they where
expressing why slack (and IM/chat in general ) isn't a good replacement for
mailing lists.
> However, whatever - I’d say Slack’s success spea
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015, Derek J. Balling wrote:
On 7/12/2015 5:09 PM, Robert Hajime Lanning wrote:
There is change for need and change for change... In operations
your mentality is usually to avoid change for change and KISS.
Actually, the modern mindset has changed radically on this point.
Cons
Allan Irving wrote:
> given the response for outdated technology which is very insecure
It's a public mailing list, and the archives are available on the
LOPSA.org web site for anyone to see -- no sign in, no password. There's
no need for security because a deliberate decision was made that the
ar
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On 7/12/2015 5:09 PM, Robert Hajime Lanning wrote:
> There is change for need and change for change... In operations
> your mentality is usually to avoid change for change and KISS.
Actually, the modern mindset has changed radically on this point
Cheers Derek. Ironically the only person using a form of PGP on this list. I’ve
seen 12 year olds set up mailing lists and IRC, I would assume - as people
have here - that would put them out of a job if pitching knowledge from 30
years ago.
Still haven’t heard a convincing argument against Sla
I am curious...
Is the format of this being an email list an issue for you?
What is it that you are looking for as requirements for a general (and
free) communication means for this group?
Or did you just want to post "Hey this is cool..."
There is change for need and change for change... I
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015, Allan Irving wrote:
Do you guys even update your servers or would that just be too intrusive on
your tried and tested old methodology?
Might I remind you that trolling is -also- a tried and tested old methodology?
cheers!
===
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Allan Irving wrote:
> Do you guys even update your servers or would that just be too intrusive
> on your tried and tested old methodology?
Is that the sysadmin version of "have you stopped beating your wife yet?"?
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brandon s allbery kf8nh
Do you guys even update your servers or would that just be too intrusive on
your tried and tested old methodology?
> On 12 Jul 2015, at 22:00, Allan Irving wrote:
>
> Personally, for my startup I don’t use the free service so the comments
> regarding the free service are irrelevant.
>
> O
Personally, for my startup I don’t use the free service so the comments
regarding the free service are irrelevant.
Ot was just a suggestion. If you want to crap all over me for it, then so be it.
However, whatever - I’d say Slack’s success speaks for itself. I don’t see how
mailing lists are an
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On 7/12/2015 4:52 PM, Paul Graydon wrote:
> I think you're missing my original point somewhat. I was just
> expressing some ongoing incredulity at the level of sensitive data
> people were exposing to Slack. Not that people choose to use Slack
It is not a "Dark Ages" issue. It is a ubiquity issue.
This mail address has ~10 mailing lists going to it. I fully control
this email address (housed on my server in my house.)
If I had to check on a separate web site for this list, I would drop it.
If I needed yet another client to view,
We are debating this as an alternative to a mailing list. Don’t get ahead of
yourself. As an alternative, I think it works. However, you can disagree.
Please don’t male assumptions regarding ‘cool kids; or whatever you want to
presume. That really isn’t the case. However, if you can’t see how ma
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 09:58:41AM +0100, Allan Irving wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> How do we feel about trailing Slack instead of discussion lists? I am of the
> belief that it would be far better and also has more features than email.
>
> http://slack.realm.io is an example of how easy it is for users
I think you're missing my original point somewhat. I was just
expressing some ongoing incredulity at the level of sensitive data
people were exposing to Slack. Not that people choose to use Slack for
anything.
On 07/12/15 13:49, Derek J. Balling wrote:
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On 7/12/2015 4:30 PM, Paul Graydon wrote:
> I'm not holding Slack to any kind of higher standard. It's curious
> that you seem to think I hold other services to a lower standard.
> I'm holding it to the same standard I hold any service to, and I
>
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015, Allan Irving wrote:
It was just a suggestion - no need for the aggressive reaction. Email
is inherently insecure so I don?t see how Slack?s security comes into it.
Slack offers features email never will.
You're getting the side-discussion about Slack and security confused w
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Allan Irving wrote:
> You can stay in the dark ages but some of us are thinking ahead. Given the
> responses, it is clear to me that moving on into the modern century is the
> way forward.
>
Slack is only forward in "coolness", not in security, privacy, or anythi
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Allan Irving
> Subject: Re: [lopsa-discuss] Slack
> Date: 12 July 2015 21:36:51 BST
> To: "Derek J. Balling"
>
> It was just a suggestion - no need for the aggressive reaction. Email is
> inherently insecure so I don’t see how Slack’s security comes into
I'm not holding Slack to any kind of higher standard. It's curious that
you seem to think I hold other services to a lower standard. I'm
holding it to the same standard I hold any service to, and I filter data
as appropriate for ones I do use.
If you don't, that's fine, but you should be at le
12. Jul 2015 20:17 by dr...@megacity.org:
> but plenty of companies (even security conscious ones) offload
> their mail, calendaring and even some document management
> to them.
>
Unfortunately.
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Discuss@lists.lopsa.org
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So basically it's no different than the 999,999,999 other various
cloud-based services companies make use of on a daily basis for all
sorts of stuff.
I've got no guarantee that Google is providing end-to-end encryption
on my Google Docs documents, o
That doesn't indicate end-to-end encryption, just that your connections
to Slack are encrypted [1]. That leaves any communication within their
network completely open, and this is a company that has been compromised
not that long ago. They're clearly storing your messages in a format
they can
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015, Derek Balling wrote:
According to Slack, they use encryption. Do you have data contrary to this?
https://slack.com/security
"Encrypted Traffic by Default, in Both Directions
Slack uses 256-bit AES, supports TLS 1.2 for all of your messages,
and uses
According to Slack, they use encryption. Do you have data contrary to this?
https://slack.com/security
> On Jul 12, 2015, at 2:10 PM, Paul Graydon wrote:
>
>> On 07/12/15 10:41, Mark McCullough wrote:
>> As a security geek, I find the Slack trend … troublesome.
>
> It particularly disturbs me
On 07/12/15 10:41, Mark McCullough wrote:
As a security geek, I find the Slack trend … troublesome.
It particularly disturbs me how many people are passing confidential and
sensitive data over Slack without giving it a second thought. Everything
from customer names, details, through to archit
Calling Slack an IRC replacement is to pretend IRC is far more primitive than
it was even twenty years ago. Slack is horrid at even moderate volume
conversations.
I’m an active IRC user. I’ve been asked to use Slack for three different
teams. I gave up because it was just so badly designed
On 2015-07-12 02:58, Allan Irving wrote:
>
> How do we feel about trailing Slack instead of discussion lists? I am of the
> belief that it would be far better and also has more features than email.
Slack is great! Their clients for a number of platforms are great, their web
interface is great, t
On Sun, 12 Jul 2015, Allan Irving wrote:
How do we feel about trailing Slack instead of discussion lists? I am of
the belief that it would be far better and also has more features than email.
'We' feel that you're trying to push a solution in the absence of a problem.
Other than "I use Slack,
12. Jul 2015 08:58 by allanirv...@allanirving.co.uk:
> Hi all,
>
> How do we feel about trailing Slack instead of discussion lists? I am of
> the belief that it would be far better and also has more features than
> email.
>
Closed-source IRC? Yuck.
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Not for nothin', but if Matt, Carolyn, Adam and I all *vehemently
agree* on something it is EITHER:
- - End of days. Nice knowin' y'all.
- - The right thing to do.
D
On 7/12/2015 10:05 AM, Carolyn Rowland wrote:
> I second slack as an irc replac
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I just want to chime in, "me too".
- - Slack is not in any way a good replacement for the e-mail mailing list
s
- - Slack is a *PHENOMENAL* replacement for the IRC channels on
Freenode. Why?
- -- Better interface that appeals to many/most
- -- IRC
I second slack as an irc replacement. You can link slack to irc so you don't
have to deal with yet another interface.
I don't see it as a replacement for email though.
Carolyn
Sent using a mouse-sized keyboard with feigned autocorrect intelligence.
> On Jul 12, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Matt Simmons
For what it's worth, I agree with Adam regarding email, but slack is a
pretty clear replacement for IRC in a lot of companies and even sysadmin
groups that I'm in.
Matt
On Jul 12, 2015 9:06 AM, "Adam Moskowitz" wrote:
> Allan Irving wrote:
> > How do we feel about trailing Slack instead of discu
> From: discuss-boun...@lists.lopsa.org [mailto:discuss-
> boun...@lists.lopsa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Moskowitz
>
> Allan Irving wrote:
> > How do we feel about trailing Slack instead of discussion lists?
>
> While email may not be perfect, and it doesn't offer many of the
There *are* systems ou
Allan Irving wrote:
> How do we feel about trailing Slack instead of discussion lists?
While email may not be perfect, and it doesn't offer many of the
features found in tools such as Slack or Google Plus or Twitter, it has
two big advantages: First, everyone uses email, so no matter how many
foru
Not yet another forum/web messaging.
I would only agree, if the interface is exactly like email. Shows up in my
inbox on my home email server and I reply just like I am doing right now.
On Jul 12, 2015, Allan Irving wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>How do we feel about trailing Slack instead of discussion li
Hi all,
How do we feel about trailing Slack instead of discussion lists? I am of the
belief that it would be far better and also has more features than email.
http://slack.realm.io is an example of how easy it is for users to sign up -
much like Mailman offers a sign up screen.
Allan
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