Re: [lopsa-discuss] Password demands and recently-ex employees

2011-11-11 Thread Greg R
On Nov 11, 2011, at 6:35 PM, Brian Mathis wrote: The data on the laptop belongs to the company, end of story. But it's not "end of story". OP has a policy of specifically permitting non-work use of the laptop, which means, by definition, there is non-work data on the laptop which DOESN'T be

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Password demands and recently-ex employees

2011-11-11 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: discuss-boun...@lists.lopsa.org [mailto:discuss- > boun...@lists.lopsa.org] On Behalf Of Zack Williams > > covers other scenarios as well, like "employee hit by truck". I prefer to say "hit the lottery." ;-) Either way they're never coming back. ;-) I mean :-( I mean... ___

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Password demands and recently-ex employees

2011-11-11 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: discuss-boun...@lists.lopsa.org [mailto:discuss- > boun...@lists.lopsa.org] On Behalf Of Sam R > > The problem comes if he, like so many people, reused the laptop password > somewhere else and says, "Um, no. Sorry." because that would give us > access to more than just the home directory.

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Password demands and recently-ex employees

2011-11-11 Thread Anton Cohen
If a company terminates an employee they should consider everything the employee has to be lost. Businesses should require employees to keep data in central, backed up locations, e.g., file servers, databases, version control. Anything on laptop is transient and can be lost. When a company terminat

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Password demands and recently-ex employees

2011-11-11 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 18:35, Brian Mathis < brian.mathis+lo...@betteradmin.com> wrote: > The data on the laptop belongs to the company, end of story. I believe EU privacy laws disagree with this to some extent, unless it was stated up front that only work-related materials were to be stored on

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Password demands and recently-ex employees

2011-11-11 Thread Derek J. Balling
On Nov 11, 2011, at 6:35 PM, Brian Mathis wrote: > The data on the laptop belongs to the company, end of story. But it's not "end of story". OP has a policy of specifically permitting non-work use of the laptop, which means, by definition, there is non-work data on the laptop which DOESN'T be

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Password demands and recently-ex employees

2011-11-11 Thread Brian Mathis
I'm surprised at the responses here so far. This is a pretty cut-and-dry situation. If the user is required to return documents after termination, they must provide the password. The concern of "in a recoverable form" is silly. No court would agree that a person complied with that statement if

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Password demands and recently-ex employees

2011-11-11 Thread Chris Manly
Not that it helps in this instance, but I'd recommend considering a key escrow policy up-front. There are disk encryption products that support a centralized key escrow. I think we use PGP whole-disk encryption for laptops that carry sensitive information here at Cornell. Cornell's key escrow

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Password demands and recently-ex employees

2011-11-11 Thread Zack Williams
On Nov 11, 2011, at 13:11 , Sam R wrote: > This particular user had gone so far as to have their home directory > encrypted. We didn't do this for him, but this is good! This laptop traveled > with the user, and we really didn't want a "left in a taxi" information > breach. Most encryption syst

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Password demands and recently-ex employees

2011-11-11 Thread Sam R
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011, Chris Manly wrote: Not that it helps in this instance, but I'd recommend considering a key escrow policy up-front. There are disk encryption products that support a centralized key escrow. I think we use PGP whole-disk encryption for laptops that carry sensitive informa

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Password demands and recently-ex employees

2011-11-11 Thread Luke S. Crawford
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 03:11:17PM -0500, Sam R wrote: > The problem comes if he, like so many people, reused the laptop password > somewhere else and says, "Um, no. Sorry." because that would give us > access to more than just the home directory. The Company CEO is of the > opinion that this is

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Password demands and recently-ex employees

2011-11-11 Thread Tracy Reed
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 03:11:17PM -0500, Sam R spake thusly: > The problem comes if he, like so many people, reused the laptop > password somewhere else and says, "Um, no. Sorry." because that > would give us access to more than just the home directory. The IMHO the data is gone. The company shou

[lopsa-discuss] Password demands and recently-ex employees

2011-11-11 Thread Sam R
I've just run into something I haven't before, and I'm a little unclear about where the footing is. We recently let go one of our remote workers, and in the process retrieved all of the company hardware that they had (phone and laptop). We're one of those smaller enlightened companies that attr