Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread Aleksey Tsalolikhin
OK, so how about we host the book list on lopsa.org? Perhaps under LOPSA Community? Call the page "Guide to SA Body of Knowledge" ? How's that sound? What would that mean for future edits of the page? Would changes have to go through the LOPSA tech team? Best, -at _

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread Aaron McCaleb
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 20:58, Doug Hughes wrote: > On 2/1/2011 9:06 PM, da...@lang.hm wrote: >> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Steven Kurylo wrote: >> >>> It sounds like a wiki, editable by lopsa members, is called for here. >>> >>> Though its probably better starting with small specifics (like listing >>

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread david
On Wed, 2 Feb 2011, Craig Miskell wrote: > da...@lang.hm wrote: >> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, da...@lang.hm wrote: >>> On Wed, 2 Feb 2011, Craig Miskell wrote: And it wouldn't hurt for the Editors, or suitable qualified and acknowledged Experts to initiate articles/pages with their underst

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread Brian Mathis
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Mark McCullough wrote: > > On 2011 Jan 31, at 20:24, da...@lang.hm wrote: >> on a desktop you may want to allow users to install things themselves (but >> then again you may not, it depends on the organization), but on servers you >> almost never want to allow t

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread Michael Ryder
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Steven Kurylo wrote: > > It sounds like a wiki, editable by lopsa members, is called for here. > > Though its probably better starting with small specifics (like listing > books, like the swap discussion), because I feel we may end up > debating all day what the bou

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread Craig Miskell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 da...@lang.hm wrote: > On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, da...@lang.hm wrote: >> On Wed, 2 Feb 2011, Craig Miskell wrote: >>> And it wouldn't hurt for the Editors, or suitable qualified and >>> acknowledged >>> Experts to initiate articles/pages with their understan

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread david
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Doug Hughes wrote: > On 2/1/2011 9:06 PM, da...@lang.hm wrote: >> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Steven Kurylo wrote: >> The guide would also define what system administration is, what the boundaries of the field are, and what other fields are adjacent to system administrat

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread david
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, da...@lang.hm wrote: > On Wed, 2 Feb 2011, Craig Miskell wrote: > >> da...@lang.hm wrote: >>> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Steven Kurylo wrote: It sounds like a wiki, editable by lopsa members, is called for here. Though its probably better starting with small specifics (

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread Doug Hughes
On 2/1/2011 9:06 PM, da...@lang.hm wrote: > On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Steven Kurylo wrote: > >>> The guide would also define what system administration is, what the >>> boundaries of the field are, and what other fields are adjacent to system >>> administration. >>> >>> This is something I've been meanin

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread david
On Wed, 2 Feb 2011, Craig Miskell wrote: > da...@lang.hm wrote: >> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Steven Kurylo wrote: >>> It sounds like a wiki, editable by lopsa members, is called for here. >>> >>> Though its probably better starting with small specifics (like listing >>> books, like the swap discussion),

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread david
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Stephen P. Schaefer wrote: > On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:09 -0800, da...@lang.hm wrote: > >> >> checkinstall will watch what the make install step would do, and capture >> the changes into a package (either .deb or .rpm) >> > > THANK YOU! I hadn't heard of checkinstall before and I

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread Craig Miskell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 da...@lang.hm wrote: > On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Steven Kurylo wrote: >> It sounds like a wiki, editable by lopsa members, is called for here. >> >> Though its probably better starting with small specifics (like listing >> books, like the swap discussion), b

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread david
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Steven Kurylo wrote: >> The guide would also define what system administration is, what the >> boundaries of the field are, and what other fields are adjacent to system >> administration. >> >> This is something I've been meaning to write but haven't gotten to yet. >> >> Here's

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread Steven Kurylo
> The guide would also define what system administration is, what the > boundaries of the field are, and what other fields are adjacent to system > administration. > > This is something I've been meaning to write but haven't gotten to yet. > > Here's the first part, the literature. It sounds like

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread Aleksey Tsalolikhin
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Craig Miskell wrote: > > Aaron McCaleb wrote: >> How is any novice supposed to know that one course of action is >> preferable to another?  How is any novice supposed to know that they >> should trust one source of information in one circumstance vs. another >> sou

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread Stephen P. Schaefer
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:09 -0800, da...@lang.hm wrote: > > checkinstall will watch what the make install step would do, and capture > the changes into a package (either .deb or .rpm) > THANK YOU! I hadn't heard of checkinstall before and I'll give it a whirl on my very next opportunity. Do yo

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread david
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Aaron McCaleb wrote: On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 15:43, Michael Ryder wrote: Incidentally... there has got to be a repository somewhere of *nix best practices?  Is there? If there is, then as Dave hinted, I would guess at least 70% of the information in such a collection is o

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Changing Practices [Was: Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?]

2011-02-01 Thread david
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, John H. Robinson, IV wrote: > Aaron McCaleb wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 15:43, Michael Ryder wrote: >>> Incidentally... there has got to be a repository somewhere of *nix >>> best practices? ?Is there? >> >> If there is, then as Dave hinted, I would guess at least 70% of

[lopsa-discuss] swap needed was: Re: Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread david
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011, Paul Graydon wrote: > On 02/01/2011 11:24 AM, da...@lang.hm wrote: >> >> agreed, espcially because for every "Thou shall always..." there is going >> to be some situation where different constrainsts mean that the best thing >> to do for that particular situation is to violate

[lopsa-discuss] Changing Practices [Was: Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?]

2011-02-01 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Aaron McCaleb wrote: > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 15:43, Michael Ryder wrote: > > Incidentally... there has got to be a repository somewhere of *nix > > best practices? ?Is there? > > If there is, then as Dave hinted, I would guess at least 70% of the > information in such a collection is out of date

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread Craig Miskell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Graydon wrote: > On 02/01/2011 11:24 AM, da...@lang.hm wrote: >> agreed, espcially because for every "Thou shall always..." there is going >> to be some situation where different constrainsts mean that the best thing >> to do for that particular s

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread Aaron McCaleb
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 15:43, Michael Ryder wrote: > Incidentally... there has got to be a repository somewhere of *nix > best practices?  Is there? > If there is, then as Dave hinted, I would guess at least 70% of the information in such a collection is out of date. :( So much of the stuff tha

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread Paul Graydon
On 02/01/2011 11:24 AM, da...@lang.hm wrote: > > agreed, espcially because for every "Thou shall always..." there is going > to be some situation where different constrainsts mean that the best thing > to do for that particular situation is to violate the rule. > > In addition, some rules become in

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread Michael Ryder
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM, wrote: > If you know the "Why" of the rule you can do so with your eyes open, > making the decision on the pros and cons of doing so. If the "Why" is "I > was told to in my training class" you can't do so, and people tend to go > one of two ways: > ... > In additio

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread david
On Wed, 2 Feb 2011, Craig Miskell wrote: > Aaron McCaleb wrote: >> How is any novice supposed to know that one course of action is >> preferable to another? How is any novice supposed to know that they >> should trust one source of information in one circumstance vs. another >> source in a differ

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread Craig Miskell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aaron McCaleb wrote: > How is any novice supposed to know that one course of action is > preferable to another? How is any novice supposed to know that they > should trust one source of information in one circumstance vs. another > source in a differe

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-02-01 Thread Aaron McCaleb
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 22:46, wrote: > Building from source is unrepeatable because you haven't > purchased a Deterministic FSM - you're running a Dell. Those are not > instructions - think of them as guidelines. =;^) Deterministic Flying Spaghetti Monster? only kidding! Michael Ryder wrote: