With all the fork discussion going on, I figured I'd just as well as this one
too.
Since the announcement, I've heard a number of people (via comments on Slashdot
and OSNews at the very least) suggest that LibreOffice is a fork of Go-OOo
instead of OOo (realizing that Go-OOo is derived from OOo)
- Original Message
> From: Charles-H. Schulz
> Le Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:05:50 +0200,
> "Gianluca Turconi" a écrit :
>
> > In data 19 ottobre 2010 alle ore 14:34:33, Charles-H. Schulz
> > ha scritto:
> >
> > > I can understand why you want to make that distinction. My own
> > > int
- Original Message
> From: Gianluca Turconi
> Il 20/10/2010 5.46, M. Fioretti ha scritto:
> > The real question was "why didn't the TDF founders who have/had
> > official roles in OOo publicly resign from those roles on Sept 28th,
> > one second BEFORE announcing the birth of TDF? Wou
ly through its staff members.
That part alone may be what is causing some of the riff.
> From: Mike Dupont
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:14 PM, BRM wrote:
> > Oracle just spent several billion dollars buying Sun - at least part of
>which would have been for OOo and
> > all
- Original Message
> From: Drew Jensen
> On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote:
> > Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto:
> > > 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all
> > > derived works.
> > > 2. what if you just remove the cod
- Original Message
> From: Drew Jensen
> On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 20:30 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> > Le Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:16:37 -0400,
> > Drew Jensen a écrit :
> > > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote:
> > > > Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto:
- Original Message
> From: Marc Paré
> Le 2010-10-26 10:42, Gianluca Turconi a écrit :
> > Please, don't get me wrong, but can I say that I'm just puzzled and a
> > bit scared too from yours and Thorsten's statements?
> >
> > I'm starting to understand that many people in the original
- Original Message
> From: Charles-H. Schulz
> 4) the notion that we cannot change license because we don't have
> copyright assignment needs to be put to rest once and for all today.
> There is a very simple explanation with respect to this issue; ask any
> lawyer and he/she will con
- Original Message
> From: Charles-H. Schulz
> Le Thu, 28 Oct 2010 07:12:59 -0700 (PDT),
> BRM a écrit :
> > > From: Charles-H. Schulz
> > > 4) the notion that we cannot change license because we don't have
> > > copyright assignment n
- Original Message
> From: Thorsten Behrens
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Sent: Thu, October 28, 2010 5:37:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments & the Document Foundation
>
> BRM wrote:
> > The Linux Kernel guys don't require
- Original Message
> From: Cor Nouws
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Sent: Fri, October 29, 2010 2:22:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments & the Document Foundation
>
> Hi all,
>
> BRM wrote (29-10-10 00:41)
> >
> >
- Original Message
> From: todd rme
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:28 AM, BRM wrote:
> > > From: Cor Nouws
> > > To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> > > Sent: Fri, October 29, 2010 2:22:03 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assig
- Original Message
> From: Charles Marcus
> On 2010-10-31 6:56 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> > Now, without copyright assignment/agreement (granted by the LibreOffice
> > developers to the Document Foundation), the Document Foundation will be
> > in the awkward situation I described: i
- Original Message
> From: Thorsten Behrens
> Gianluca Turconi wrote:
> > I've already suggested that if the copyright assignment is
> > considered a too heavy burden, it should be asked to the contributor
> > at least a statement that clearly affirms his/her absolute copyright
> > ri
- Original Message
> From: Michael Meeks
> On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 17:28 +0100, Roberto Resoli wrote:
> > Copyright Assignment is nor bad nor good, it's a compromise
>
> I do not see assignment in -any- way as a compromise; but as an
> un-necessary extreme.
Well, let's get back to
Catching up on the Copyright Assignments thread (since I have not looked at my
e-mail since last Wednesday), it seems there may be a need to understand what
TDF is needed for as an entity - in other words, why do we need a foundation?
While in some respects I can very well see that a foundation/
- Original Message
> From: Charles Marcus
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 10:29:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] FreeDesktop Bugzilla
>
> On 2010-11-11 9:47 AM, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:
> > the current bug tracking system is sufficien for expert com
- Original Message
> From: Michael Meeks
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Sent: Thu, November 11, 2010 4:34:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] FreeDesktop Bugzilla
>
>
> On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 10:29 -0500, Charles Marcus wrote:
> > 'Masses of users' will not know how to properly
- Original Message
> From: Thorsten Behrens
> Christoph Noack wrote:
> > There may be different and good reasons for users to participate in bug
> > reporting - but the best (non-automated) system won't be able to collect
> > that much information in a quality, that developers may sim
- Original Message
> From: Michael Meeks
> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 15:36 +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:
> > > LibreOffice already has the selectable help/about version text so it
> > > can be cut/pasted.
> > Yeeey!!
> :-)
Hardly. Now you've got two things that can go wrong for
- Original Message
> From: Frank Esposito
> > Oh, well, Windows may disappear before LibO! ;-)
> we can only hope
Microsoft, as of late, is moving in that direction - as a company.
They almost definitely have <20 years life left; and are quickly working to
make
it under 5 years.
- Original Message
> From: Marc Paré
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 4:12:50 AM
> Subject: [tdf-discuss] Re: On the Future of TDF
>
> Le 2010-11-16 03:29, timofonic timofonic a écrit :
> > That's interesting to know about OASIS, thanks for the explan
- Original Message
> From: AG
> On 14/11/10 11:25, Mirek M. wrote:
> > "In addition, each single module of LibreOffice will be undergoing an
> > extensive rewrite, with Calc being the first one to be redeveloped around a
> > brand new engine - code named Ixion - that will increase per
- Original Message
> From: Sebastian Spaeth
> > http://docs.officeshots.org/ may be a potential starting point -
> > especially when it comes to document conversion / rendering
> > fidelity.
>
> I don't know if and how easy this would be in drupal. So far I have
> coded a very simpl
- Original Message
> From: Benjamin Horst
> On Nov 15, 2010, at 8:22 AM, RGB ES wrote:
> > 2010/11/15 Ian Lynch :
> >> The point is that for me Inkscape is more usable and if there was an
>option
> >> to replace Draw with it in LO/OOo I'd take that option. Clumsy
> >> non-multi-taski
- Original Message
> From: Cedric Bosdonnat
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 09:31 +1300, Graham Lauder wrote:
> > On Tuesday 23 November 2010 07:10:31 Ian Lynch wrote:
> > > Is the take over of Novell going to affect the document foundation?
> > And my ques
- Original Message
> From: Robert Boehm
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Sent: Sun, November 28, 2010 1:14:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components
>
> On 11/28/2010 12:09 PM, Sebastian G. wrote:
> > I'd like to know which components are most us
I never joined the OOo mailing lists so it never got proposed there, and if
there's a better TDF mailing list to post this to then please let me know so I
may do so. I did, however, try to submit something to the ODF folks; but that
never got any where.
I've worked on proposals and similar kind
- Original Message
> From: Andy Brown
> Have you tried working with master documents? The User Guide is available
> on
>the OOo wiki at
>http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Writer_Guide
>
> on the right hand side is a list of documents for Wri
- Original Message
> From: Charles-H. Schulz
> 2010/11/25 Thorsten Wilms
> > On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 10:09 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> >
> > > I would be very surprised if the original mission statement were to be
> > > changed at that stage. So perhaps the Mission page that was
- Original Message
> From: Charles Marcus
> On 2010-11-30 2:16 PM, Kevin Vermeer wrote:
> > Perhaps the installer could be replaced by a small configuration
> > application, which would allow the user to select the components they wish
> > to install, and would then download the selec
- Original Message
> From: Charles Marcus
> On 2010-11-30 5:29 PM, BRM wrote:
> >> LibO - like OOo - does not really have separate components. Even if you
> >> > could download just one component, the resulting size would only be a
> >> > few
- Original Message
> From: Friedrich Strohmaier
> BRM schrieb:
> > From: Charles Marcus
> >> On 2010-11-30 5:29 PM, BRM wrote:
> >>> While that may currently be the case - that is absolutely
> >>> ridiculous. TDF/LO should make a priorit
- Original Message
> From: Robert Derman
> I remember that optical disks started to replace floppies in about 1995
>because Win-95 came either way. Win-98 was CD only. I will admit that DVD
>burners didn't become affordable until about 2005, but most of what I built in
>
>2000 t
- Original Message
> From: Mark Preston
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 12:18:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package.
>
> I see several issues in the discussion about installers - and I only
> just joined the list!
- Original Message
> From: Carl Symons
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 3:47:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker
> wrote:
> > On 30/12/10 17:27, Larry G
- Original Message
> From: BRM
> >
> > Even MS Office users (prior to 2007) have had trouble with this docx
fraud.
> >
>
> Perhaps LibO and all other Open Source projects - and perhaps anyone
>supporting
>
> ODF for that matter - should t
- Original Message
> From: Barbara Duprey
>
> > We need to force MS to support ODF - as others have pointed out ODF is
>quickly
> > becoming the world standard at least at the government level - which means
>in a
> > few years most organizations that support governments will need t
- Original Message
> From: Barbara Duprey
> On 1/3/2011 11:19 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> > Barbara,
> >
> > Le Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:55:21 -0600,
> > Barbara Duprey a écrit :
> >
> >> On 1/3/2011 3:06 AM, Davide Dozza wrote:
> >>> Il 02/01/2011 20:41, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto:
I was about to suggest something along a similar line, and that fits perfectly
well within it...
Instead of bundling an email client with LibreOffice, I suggest as part of the
installer the option be provided to download and install one.
For instance, the installer could list an Email line which
e big time devs on this
> project about doing this.
>
> On 1/5/11 6:13 PM, BRM wrote:
> > I was about to suggest something along a similar line, and that fits
>perfectly
> > well within it...
> >
> > Instead of bundling an email client with LibreOffice, I sugg
Again, why just Thunderbird? Why not work with Mozilla (Thunderbird, SeaMonkey,
Lightening/Sunbird, Firefox), Opera, GNOME (Evolution, etc), KDE (KMail, KPIM,
etc.) to develop interfaces that can be used to integrate any of the various
email and calendaring tools out there? Especially the open s
Haven't tried it, but at least at one point StarOffice/OpenOffice required the
JRE to provide the help system. Ran into that a couple of times in the past.
Don't know if that is still the issue with LO now or not.
Ben
- Original Message
> From: RGB ES
> To: discuss@documentfoundatio
- Original Message
> From: Charles-H. Schulz
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 10:59:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] purpose of this list?
> Le Wed, 02 Feb 2011 16:47:58 +0100,
> Florian Effenberger a écrit :
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > drew wrote on 2011-02
- Original Message
> From: Ian Lynch
> On 8 February 2011 11:34, Florian Effenberger > wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > thanks for your contributions, great to see things moving! :-)
> >
> > Well, I think opening an US bank account is problematic at least from the
> > time perspective, but
The problem there would be US tax law no? You'd have to pay taxes on it - since
you as an individual would be receiving it, taxes which would outweigh the
donation write-off you'd get on the other end.
Now, I am not a CPA or Tax Accountant, so I would highly recommend talking to
one before doing
- Original Message
> From: toki
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> On 02/08/2011 04:36 PM, BRM wrote:
> > Why resort to deception and Microsoft-esque tactics to promote LO?
>
> FWIW, it isn't uncommon for 501(c)3 organizations to have a for-profit
>
- Original Message
> From: Alexander Thurgood
> Le 17/05/11 12:49, plino a écrit :
> > What do they mean by "handing it back"? Are they giving up on the
OpenOffice
> > brand?
> >
> > Can someone from TDF shed some light?
>
> Nobody seems to know, or if they do, they are keeping wra
- Original Message
> From: Italo Vignoli
> On 5/17/11 4:17 PM, BRM wrote:
> > Personally I hope Oracle doesn't drop the ball on it and that OpenOffice
>proper
> > can become a true community lead project as I haven't yet seen anything
> > from
&
- Original Message
> From: Thorsten Behrens
> To: BRM
> Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 5:34:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?
>
> BRM wrote:
> > In some cases, the community decision was al
- Original Message
> From: Italo Vignoli
> On the other hand, ASF members should start building their opinions about
> TDF
>from other sources than the rumors spread by individuals who, for personal
>reasons, do not like TDF (you can find any flavour of them around the
>Internet,
- Original Message
> From: Simon Phipps
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 5:56:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache
OpenOffice
>
>
> On 9 Jun 2011, at 19:47, Simon Brouwer wrote:
>
> > Anyway, I think it is high ti
- Original Message
> From: Uwe Altmann
> Am 10.06.11 15:55, schrieb BRM:
> > You know, usually when an organization (such as TDF) is legally owned by
> > another organization …
>
> I know it is difficult to understand if you're not in (german) legal
- Original Message
> From: Jim Jagielski
> On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:17 PM, David Nelson wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 22:18, BRM wrote:
> >> I was making the observation that TDF's website & materials make little
>mention
> >> of the fac
- Original Message
> From: Florian Effenberger
> Greg Stein wrote on 2011-06-14 17.09:
> > It is simply that newbie's have NO UNDERSTANDING of this. Florian had
> > to explain all the details because they are not on the website.
>
> I guess the truth lies in between. :-)
>
> Indeed,
ing at all about the legal structure
> at all.
>
> On Jun 15, 2011, at 10:54 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > BRM wrote on 2011-06-15 15.47:
> >> should be updated to reflect the legal reality that while TDF is being
>setup it
>
- Original Message
> From: plino
> Greg Stein wrote:
> > how can you say that Apache
> > "removes rights from people's contributions"? As a developer, you
> > still own your code. You can do whatever you like with it. Apache
> > doesn't take anything from You.
> >
>
> Easy. Even a
- Original Message
> From: plino
> BRM wrote:
> >
> > Even the GPL does not provide that right. If a company wanted it could
> > take a
> > GPL product, make whatever changes it wanted, and distribute it internally
> > to
> > itself witho
- Original Message
> From: todd rme
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Sent: Thu, June 16, 2011 3:13:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache
OpenOffice
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> > Ben explained much of this alrea
- Original Message
> From: Simos Xenitellis
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Sent: Thu, June 16, 2011 6:31:25 PM
> Subject: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re:
>[Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Greg Ste
DISCLAIMER: IANAL. Consult one for real legal advice if you need it.
- Original Message
> From: plino
> BRM wrote:
> >
> > Directly from the FSF, authors of the GPL. You must have a copy of the
> > written
> > offer in order to be entitled to receipt
- Original Message
> From: Jim Jagielski
> On Jun 17, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Michael Meeks wrote:
> > The overlap between TDF & ASF's goals for an office product (modulo
> > enabling 'mixed-source') is a pretty compelling proof of competition.
>
> I disagree... competition implies a "
- Original Message
> From: plino
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Sent: Fri, June 17, 2011 10:12:01 AM
> Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re:
>[Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)
>
> @BRM sorry to bur
- Original Message
> From: Keith Curtis
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> > On Jun 17, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Michael Meeks wrote:
> > > The overlap between TDF & ASF's goals for an office product
(modulo
> > > enabling 'mixed-source') is a pretty compellin
- Original Message
> From: Simos Xenitellis
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:54 PM, BRM wrote:
> > DISCLAIMER: IANAL. Consult one for real legal advice if you need it.
> >
> ...
> > Party F may ask Group C for the code, showing the written notice he
receive
- Original Message
> From: Simon Phipps
> On 18 Jun 2011, at 11:35, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> > Jim Jagielski wrote on 2011-06-15 17.28:
> >> Maybe it's a language issue, but no, the imprint does nothing
> >> at all to make it clear. It simply says, in effect, FroDev wrote
> >> the
- Original Message
> From: Robert Burrell Donkin
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Sent: Sat, June 18, 2011 10:19:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice +US Gov't ECCN Export Control
>
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Uwe Altmann wrote:
> > Hi Garry
> >
> > Am 17.06.11
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