Re: [Discuss] Running a mail server, or not

2018-06-27 Thread Rich Braun
Rich Pieri wrote: > The only hops that are guaranteed to be encrypted (STARTTLS) are the > connections from my MUA to my mail server, and from your MUA to your > mail server. The intervening hops might be encrypted, or they might not > be encrypted. I don't see how we're in disagreement here. Natu

Re: [Discuss] Running a mail server, or not

2018-06-27 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/27/2018 1:58 PM, Rich Braun wrote: > I don't see how we're in disagreement here. Naturally, if you send to > a listserv like blu.org, there will be multiple hops (most likely but > not guaranteed to be encrypted). But if you send directly from your > email to mine, your system will connect to

Re: [Discuss] Running a mail server, or not

2018-06-27 Thread David Kramer
On 06/25/2018 03:40 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: On 6/25/2018 12:07 PM, Rich Braun wrote: Not mine, at least not in clear-text. Backbone providers only see encrypted streams between my email server and my service providers' systems located in France and Canada. I'm not aware of any government What

Re: [Discuss] Running a mail server, or not

2018-06-27 Thread David Kramer
So.. it seems the say to filter and save mail to different folders in the way I was with Procmail, is a Dovecot plugin called Pigeonhole (https://wiki.dovecot.org/Pigeonhole/), which happens to be configurable in the Sieve language.  Integration was pretty trivial, as was translating Procmail's

Re: [Discuss] Running a mail server, or not

2018-06-27 Thread Dan Ritter
On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 03:14:52PM -0400, David Kramer wrote: > into yet.  And I also haven't found how to train spamassassin on spam it > missed yet in a way that doesn't require ssh access to the server (so my > wife can do it too). If you're running spamd, then spamc running remotely can be pas

Re: [Discuss] Running a mail server, or not

2018-06-27 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/27/2018 3:03 PM, David Kramer wrote: > I believe very strongly in "Perfection is the enemy of progress". Just > because I can't completely protect my mail from others doesn't prevent > me from doing what I can.  However, other parties having access to my It's not about achieving perfection

Re: [Discuss] Running a mail server, or not

2018-06-27 Thread David Kramer
Yes.  The problem is with automating that so I don't have to teach my wife ssh and command line. What I have on my old server is a specific folder to dump spam to train on, and a cron job would feed the mail through spamc.  I was hoping there might be a better way, but I will probably end up a

Re: [Discuss] Running a mail server, or not

2018-06-27 Thread Dan Ritter
On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 03:39:23PM -0400, David Kramer wrote: > Yes.  The problem is with automating that so I don't have to teach my wife > ssh and command line. > > If you're running spamd, then spamc running remotely can be > > passed a message along with -L ham/spam/forget, as appropriate. I

Re: [Discuss] Running a mail server, or not

2018-06-27 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/27/2018 3:39 PM, David Kramer wrote: > Yes.  The problem is with automating that so I don't have to teach my > wife ssh and command line. If you're not using a greylist filter then you should. In my experience, greylisting is much more effective at blocking spam than heuristic filters. --

Re: [Discuss] Running a mail server, or not

2018-06-27 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 06/27/2018 03:39 PM, David Kramer wrote: Yes.  The problem is with automating that so I don't have to teach my wife ssh and command line. What I have on my old server is a specific folder to dump spam to train on, and a cron job would feed the mail through spamc.  I was hoping there migh

Re: [Discuss] Discuss Digest, Vol 85, Issue 20

2018-06-27 Thread Rich Braun
Rich Pieri still pointed out that I had a "not guarantee" clause: > But if you send directly from your email to mine, your system will connect to > easydns (in Canada), which will attempt STARTTLS but not guarantee it... So? In order for anyone to mount a successful attack on my email stream, the

Re: [Discuss] Running a mail server, or not

2018-06-27 Thread epp
On 06/27/2018 03:39 PM, discuss-requ...@blu.org wrote: On 6/27/2018 1:58 PM, Rich Braun wrote: I don't see how we're in disagreement here. Naturally, if you send to a listserv like blu.org, there will be multiple hops (most likely but not guaranteed to be encrypted). But if you send directly fro

Re: [Discuss] Discuss Digest, Vol 85, Issue 20

2018-06-27 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/27/2018 4:38 PM, Rich Braun wrote: > So? In order for anyone to mount a successful attack on my email > stream, they'd have to first find out that you're one of my > correspondents and then (somehow) correlate the 1-in-10,000 chance > that your properly-configured email server fails STARTTLS o

Re: [Discuss] Running a mail server, or not

2018-06-27 Thread Richard Pieri
On 6/27/2018 7:05 PM, e...@linuxmail.org wrote: > I've noticed when e-mail comes into a Comcast address, the sending mail > server (Yahoo/AOL (when it works), Gmail, mail.com, GMX, etc.), the > receiving Comcast server receives it with SMTP. But when Comcast sends > an e-mail out to one of these

Re: [Discuss] Running a mail server, or not

2018-06-27 Thread epp
On 06/27/2018 07:14 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: On 6/27/2018 7:05 PM, e...@linuxmail.org wrote: I've noticed when e-mail comes into a Comcast address, the sending mail server (Yahoo/AOL (when it works), Gmail, mail.com, GMX, etc.), the receiving Comcast server receives it with SMTP. But when Comcas