Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-21 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 07/20/2012 04:24 PM, John Abreau wrote: > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Kent Borg wrote: > >> I *did* get free apps installed automatically installed on my new phone, but >> not all of my free apps. I don't know why some got installed, but many free >> apps did. (Maybe it had something to

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-20 Thread Richard Pieri
On Jul 20, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: > > The new Google Play store on the web does appear to have a full record of all > the apps you have bought including free ones. The phone version only shows > the apps you bought on that phone. The device will list all applications t

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-20 Thread Kent Borg
John Abreau wrote: I've had apps disappear from my iPad after an OS update. When I tried reloading them from the iTunes backup, I discovered that the apps were apparently not compatible with the updated OS. Perhaps your missing apps went missing for similar reasons? Maybe, though I think I

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-20 Thread John Abreau
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Kent Borg wrote: > I *did* get free apps installed automatically installed on my new phone, but > not all of my free apps. I don't know why some got installed, but many free > apps did. (Maybe it had something to do with when I installed the free > app??) > I'v

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-20 Thread Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
On 7/20/2012 9:41 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: Google does the same thing. (Mostly.) I recently got a new phone and *most* of my Google Play apps reappeared, but not all. The ones you pay for will reappear. But the free ones don't. It seems like an easy fix - I wish they would do it. Beca

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-20 Thread Matt Shields
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Kent Borg wrote: > Matt Shields wrote (privately, but I think it is of general interest and > not confidential): > > Just an FYI for anyone who uses iTunes and buy's apps and music from >> Apple. If you have lost your content for whatever reason, iTunes allows

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-20 Thread Kent Borg
Matt Shields wrote (privately, but I think it is of general interest and not confidential): Just an FYI for anyone who uses iTunes and buy's apps and music from Apple. If you have lost your content for whatever reason, iTunes allows you to redownload load all your content again. I believe they

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-20 Thread Kent Borg
Edward Ned Harvey wrote: The ones you pay for will reappear. But the free ones don't. I *did* get free apps installed automatically installed on my new phone, but not all of my free apps. I don't know why some got installed, but many free apps did. (Maybe it had something to do with when

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-20 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Derek Atkins > > Google Play does. Go into Settings -> My Apps, and then slide the > screen right-to-left from "Installed" to "All". Actually, right now on my phone, when I do tha

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-20 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Kent Borg > > Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: > > One of the nice things about the Amazon Appstore is that it has a full > > record of all the apps you have bought including free ones

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-19 Thread Richard Pieri
On 7/19/2012 12:52 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: On android, if you have root, you can use titanium backup. It will backup all your apps & app configs. But as far as I know, nothing can backup the actual android state - layout of your homescreen etc, knowledge of wifi etc, google/exchange/whatev

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-19 Thread Richard Pieri
On 7/19/2012 6:08 AM, Scott Ehrlich wrote: How about http://www.mediafour.com/products/readyaimdrop/ for a backup/recovery option? It's not a backup/recovery option. Apple does not permit iOS applications to access ANYTHING outside if their own private sandboxes. Anything that escapes eithe

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-19 Thread Derek Atkins
Shirley Márquez Dúlcey writes: > On 7/19/2012 12:52 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >> >> Oh - This is definitely *not* a full system backup. I can copy anything in >> the filesystem (and without root, just anything within the sdcard). If I >> lost or replaced my phone, I would have all the stuff

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-19 Thread Kent Borg
Kent Borg wrote: If you want all the cool stuff that Android and Iphone have, but don't want clouds, you are in for a tough fight. Actually, with Apple being slow to the cloud, the Itunes model of a backup really is pretty close to what you want, except you say it is broken and too limited.

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-19 Thread Kent Borg
Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: One of the nice things about the Amazon Appstore is that it has a full record of all the apps you have bought including free ones. It would be nice if the Google Play store had the same kind of record. At least then you would have a central place to see what apps y

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-19 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Shirley Márquez > Dúlcey > > One of the nice things about the Amazon Appstore is that it has a full > record of all the apps you have bought including free ones. It would be > nice

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-19 Thread Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
On 7/19/2012 12:52 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: Oh - This is definitely *not* a full system backup. I can copy anything in the filesystem (and without root, just anything within the sdcard). If I lost or replaced my phone, I would have all the stuff I care about the most (photos, music, etc),

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-19 Thread Scott Ehrlich
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: > On 7/18/2012 6:41 PM, Rich Braun wrote: >> >> The iTunes backup model provides only for whole-volume snapshots; you >> don't >> get to restore things piece-meal. And it includes sys-config items that >> go >> way beyond your personal data, i

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-18 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Edward Ned Harvey [mailto:b...@nedharvey.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 12:45 AM > > I personally run FTPDroid (ftp server on android) and I use goodsync on the > PC to sync it nightly. Oh - This is definitely *not* a full system backup. I can copy anything in the filesystem (and w

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-18 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: discuss-bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org [mailto:discuss- > bounces+blu=nedharvey@blu.org] On Behalf Of Shirley Márquez > > There is one important difference. > > An Android phone can be hooked up to your computer via USB and acts as > an external drive. The entire Android system can

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-18 Thread Richard Pieri
On 7/18/2012 10:51 PM, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: But the OS itself isn't the important thing to back up; you can reinstall that. What you want to back up is the data - contacts, calendar, and so forth. Android doesn't export the applications partition via USB, not even with CyanogenMod and

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-18 Thread Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
On 7/18/2012 10:40 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: Not possible. Not even CyanogenMod permits the boot loader, operating system or application partitions to be exported via USB. Even if they were, Android mounts them read-only internally so if they were exported you would not be able to do a restore

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-18 Thread Richard Pieri
On 7/18/2012 10:18 PM, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: An Android phone can be hooked up to your computer via USB and acts as an external drive. The entire Android system can be backed up to a computer that way, and there are applications to facilitate the process. Not possible. Not even Cyanoge

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-18 Thread Dan Ritter
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:18:48PM -0400, Shirley Márquez Dúlcey wrote: > An Android phone can be hooked up to your computer via USB and acts > as an external drive. The entire Android system can be backed up to > a computer that way, and there are applications to facilitate the > process. I don't

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-18 Thread Shirley Márquez Dúlcey
On 7/18/2012 9:45 PM, Richard Pieri wrote: The iTunes backup model is nearly identical to the Palm Desktop model: everything exists in iTunes. An iPhone is a portable cache of what's in the parent iTunes. Android is little different: it's a portable cache of what's in the Google cloud. Their

Re: [Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-18 Thread Richard Pieri
On 7/18/2012 6:41 PM, Rich Braun wrote: The iTunes backup model provides only for whole-volume snapshots; you don't get to restore things piece-meal. And it includes sys-config items that go way beyond your personal data, in such a way that there is no assurance that a snapshot can be restored.

[Discuss] iPhone vs. Android - the backup problem

2012-07-18 Thread Rich Braun
I've had another data loss thanks to iTunes, and am once again pondering whether to ditch Apple in favor of Android. The whole reason I switched to iPhone less than a year ago was to get out of the sysadmin-for-phone business; I don't really want to have to manage the thing. But I'm finding that