[Dirvish] Backup Drive Failure

2010-11-04 Thread Rich Shepard
I was quite surprised to learn this morning that dirvish did not run because the drive could not be found. It turns out that it stopped running after I turned it on when I logged out last evening. The drive is about 11 months old and lived in an external enclosure connected by a USB cable th

Re: [Dirvish] Backup Drive Failure

2010-11-04 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010, Jon Radel wrote: > I had a really bad string of drives in external USB enclosures dropping > dead a couple of years ago. I never pinned down whether it was something > inherent to USB enclosures, my environment, or inadvertently purchasing a > string of really cheesy hard drive

Re: [Dirvish] Backup Drive Failure

2010-11-04 Thread Jenny Hopkins
On 4 November 2010 13:30, Rich Shepard wrote: >   I have the invoice here: purchased 2 December 2009. It's a WD drive so > certainly still under warranty. > Funnily enough, I have had TWO WD 500GB drives used for back-up storage fail in the last 12 months. Housed internally, developed i/o erro

Re: [Dirvish] Backup Drive Failure

2010-11-04 Thread Dave Howorth
Jenny Hopkins wrote: > On 4 November 2010 13:30, Rich Shepard wrote: > >> I have the invoice here: purchased 2 December 2009. It's a WD drive so >> certainly still under warranty. >> > > Funnily enough, I have had TWO WD 500GB drives used for back-up > storage fail in the last 12 months. Hou

Re: [Dirvish] Backup Drive Failure

2010-11-04 Thread Jon Radel
On 11/4/10 9:17 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: I'll need to dig out the invoice and see if it's still under warranty, then set up a replacement drive. Because I've had almost all the hard drives last for years I'm surprised this one went so quickly. Have other dirvish users experienced early backup

Re: [Dirvish] Backup Drive Failure

2010-11-04 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010, Jenny Hopkins wrote: > Good luck with the replacement. Jenny, This is a local vendor with two stores, and they've always been solid. When the motherboard video/north bridge chip failed a couple of weeks ago they sold me a less expensive CPU than I was considering to go wit

Re: [Dirvish] Backup Drive Failure

2010-11-04 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010, Dave Howorth wrote: > I use a wiki to record such things - the actual command sequences, URL to > useful pages and such like. Of course it depends on having another machine > that hasn't failed and that is still running the wiki ... Dave, Good idea. I'll store all the rele

Re: [Dirvish] Backup Drive Failure

2010-11-04 Thread Dale Amon
I've had USB connected drives appear to be failing but then work fine after powering down and reconnecting them. I've also had a drive that did not have good enough air flow and appeared to have failed... but after I got another cooling fan in the enclosure it worked fine and the 'bad' sectors eve

Re: [Dirvish] Backup Drive Failure

2010-11-04 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010, Dale Amon wrote: > I've had USB connected drives appear to be failing but then work fine > after powering down and reconnecting them. Dale, I've tried this. > I've also had a drive that did not have good enough air flow and appeared > to have failed... but after I got ano

Re: [Dirvish] Backup Drive Failure

2010-11-04 Thread madworm_de . dirvish
On 04.11.2010 18:26, Paul Slootman wrote: > On Thu 04 Nov 2010, Rich Shepard wrote: > >> Good local vendors are worth the higher prices we pay because the service >> can be outstanding. 'can' is such a devilish little word. I agree the service should be outstanding, but quite often it is not.

Re: [Dirvish] Backup Drive Failure

2010-11-04 Thread madworm_de . dirvish
On 04.11.2010 18:41, Dale Amon wrote: > I've had USB connected drives appear to be failing > but then work fine after powering down and reconnecting > them. > > I've also had a drive that did not have good enough > air flow and appeared to have failed... but after I > got another cooling fan in the

Re: [Dirvish] Backup Drive Failure

2010-11-04 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010, madworm_de.dirv...@spitzenpfeil.org wrote: >>> Good local vendors are worth the higher prices we pay because the >>> service >>> can be outstanding. > 'can' is such a devilish little word. I agree the service should be > outstanding, but quite often it is not. Exactly

Re: [Dirvish] Backup Drive Failure

2010-11-04 Thread Dale Amon
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 06:52:48PM +0100, madworm_de.dirv...@spitzenpfeil.org wrote: > 'Self-healing' bad sector errors... but maybe I'm just paranoid. Do SATA > drives do bad sector remapping, and do they do it well? Who knows... I have multiple copies including offsite so losing one won't mat

Re: [Dirvish] Backup Drive Failure

2010-11-04 Thread Paul Slootman
On Thu 04 Nov 2010, Rich Shepard wrote: >Good local vendors are worth the higher prices we pay because the service > can be outstanding. I fully agree. About external drives: I have a 500GB WD MyBook drive, and a great feature is that the disk spins down if idle for more than 10 minutes or s

Re: [Dirvish] Backup Drive Failure

2010-11-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:52 PM, wrote: > On 04.11.2010 18:41, Dale Amon wrote: >> I've had USB connected drives appear to be failing >> but then work fine after powering down and reconnecting >> them. Could happen... >> I've also had a drive that did not have good enough >> air flow and appeare

Re: [Dirvish] Backup Drive Failure

2010-11-04 Thread Dale Amon
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 02:34:30PM -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > > 'Self-healing' bad sector errors... but maybe I'm just paranoid. Do SATA > > drives do bad sector remapping, and do they do it well? Who knows... > > Certainly they do. I recommend checking the SMART firmware status by > runni

Re: [Dirvish] Backup Drive Failure

2010-11-04 Thread Jenny Hopkins
On 4 November 2010 17:47, Rich Shepard wrote: >   I don't think the drive is resting; it's deceased. > As in "The only reason it stays on its perch is because it's screwed there"? Jenny ___ Dirvish mailing list Dirvish@dirvish.org http://www.dirvish.o

Re: [Dirvish] Backup Drive Failure

2010-11-04 Thread Rich Shepard
On Thu, 4 Nov 2010, Jenny Hopkins wrote: > As in "The only reason it stays on its perch is because it's screwed there"? Jenny, Glued, not screwed. Brought it to the vendor and they put it on their test rig. Soon it showed read and write errors so they gave me a new one. Rich ___