RE: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-19 Thread Young, Robert
On Friday, 17 August 2007 Lars Clausen wrote: >On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 11:25 +0930, Young, Robert wrote: >> A quick survey of the tools I often use : Inkscape uses the double >> click approach. MS Word uses a mixture - double click for >WordArt and >> the existing Dia approach for text boxes - thi

Re: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-16 Thread Sameer Sahasrabuddhe
On 8/17/07, Lars Clausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm thinking this will be confusing, given the number of other things > that are being done using the mouse: Selecting, moving, resizing, > connecting, opening properties. I don't see why that will confuse the user. We do a lot of things with

Re: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-16 Thread Lars Clausen
On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 06:37 -0700, Mark Dexter wrote: > I think this is a very good idea. I would also add a right-click Text > Edit option, analagous to the Rename option on File Manager. Mark > > On 8/9/07, Sameer Sahasrabuddhe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/10/07, Lars Clausen <[EMA

RE: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-16 Thread Steve Brown
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007, Lars Clausen wrote: > I see no reason why starting text edit should not involve the keyboard, > given that editing usually involves the keyboard right afterwards. It's been quite a while since I actively used dia, but I'll pipe up here and say that, to me, clicking (or double

RE: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-16 Thread Lars Clausen
On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 11:25 +0930, Young, Robert wrote: > >I'm strong considering splitting diagram editing into a > >"normal" mode and a "text-edit" mode. It will allow for more > >powerful text editing down the road, use of more shortcuts in > >normal mode, avoidance of the "Delete destroys t

Re: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-16 Thread Lars Clausen
On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 00:23 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Lars Clausen wrote: > > > I have my doubts about what would be best for entering. My ideas so far > > are > > > > 1) Press "Enter" to start editing text. Pro: Frees all other keys for > > shortcuts. Con: Non-obvi

Re: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-16 Thread Lars Clausen
On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 23:17 +0100, Nick Moore wrote: > I think option 1 would probably be the best. However, I'd offer > another method as well - double clicking on the item to start editing > the text. I know this currently brings up the properties - but I feel > normal users are much more likel

Re: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-16 Thread Lars Clausen
On Fri, 2007-08-10 at 11:06 -0300, loli wrote: > On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:57:38 +0200, Lars Clausen wrote > > I'm strong considering splitting diagram editing into a "normal" mode > > and a "text-edit" mode. It will allow for more powerful text editing > > down the road, use of more shortcuts in nor

Re: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-16 Thread Lars Clausen
On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 19:00 -0300, loli wrote: > On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:57:38 +0200, Lars Clausen wrote > > I'm strong considering splitting diagram editing into a "normal" mode > > and a "text-edit" mode. > > I always think of two different "text-edit" modes; for example, loading an > UML-BOX w

Re: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-13 Thread Jens Getreu
I also vote for this. Le lundi 13 août 2007 à 08:40 +0530, Sameer Sahasrabuddhe a écrit : > On 8/10/07, Mark Dexter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think this is a very good idea. I would also add a right-click Text Edit > > option, analagous to the Rename option on File Manager. Mark > > To com

Re: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-12 Thread Sameer Sahasrabuddhe
On 8/10/07, Mark Dexter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think this is a very good idea. I would also add a right-click Text Edit > option, analagous to the Rename option on File Manager. Mark To complete the interface, you should also bind the same action to F2. Sameer. -- Research Scholar, Depar

RE: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-12 Thread Young, Robert
>I'm strong considering splitting diagram editing into a >"normal" mode and a "text-edit" mode. It will allow for more >powerful text editing down the road, use of more shortcuts in >normal mode, avoidance of the "Delete destroys the object" in >text-edit mode and more. While I have no proble

Re: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-10 Thread loli
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:57:38 +0200, Lars Clausen wrote > I'm strong considering splitting diagram editing into a "normal" mode > and a "text-edit" mode. It will allow for more powerful text editing > down the road, use of more shortcuts in normal mode, avoidance of the > "Delete destroys the objec

Re: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-10 Thread Mark Dexter
I think this is a very good idea. I would also add a right-click Text Edit option, analagous to the Rename option on File Manager. Mark On 8/9/07, Sameer Sahasrabuddhe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 8/10/07, Lars Clausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have my doubts about what would be best

Re: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-09 Thread Sameer Sahasrabuddhe
On 8/10/07, Lars Clausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have my doubts about what would be best for entering. My ideas so far > are > > I'm favoring 3 over 2, even though it'd rule out using '1' for zoom > 100%. I think 4 would be confusing and hard to code. But is 1 too > non-intuitive? Are

Re: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-09 Thread Mark Dexter
Hello again. As I've thought about it a little more, I am worried that some users will be annoyed by option (1). Users don't like changes that "break" something that use to work. So I'm now thinking that option (2) or (3) might be best. Would it be feasible to allow the program to continue to work

Re: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-09 Thread christian . ridderstrom
On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, Lars Clausen wrote: I have my doubts about what would be best for entering. My ideas so far are 1) Press "Enter" to start editing text. Pro: Frees all other keys for shortcuts. Con: Non-obvious Sounds ok to me, although somewhat non-obvious. I'd expect that clicking i

Re: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-09 Thread Nick Moore
I think option 1 would probably be the best. However, I'd offer another method as well - double clicking on the item to start editing the text. I know this currently brings up the properties - but I feel normal users are much more likely to want to edit text than change the item properties. I'm

Re: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-09 Thread Mark Dexter
I think this is a very good idea. That way you could use the mouse to select text and copy / paste would be more intutive. I think that (1) would be fine. If you put an option for "Edit Text" on the right-click context menu (when an object is selected) and/or on the Edit menu, then people could fin

Re: UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-09 Thread loli
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:57:38 +0200, Lars Clausen wrote > I'm strong considering splitting diagram editing into a "normal" mode > and a "text-edit" mode. I always think of two different "text-edit" modes; for example, loading an UML-BOX we can, without any double clicking, we can write some title

UI issue: Text edit mode

2007-08-09 Thread Lars Clausen
I'm strong considering splitting diagram editing into a "normal" mode and a "text-edit" mode. It will allow for more powerful text editing down the road, use of more shortcuts in normal mode, avoidance of the "Delete destroys the object" in text-edit mode and more. While I have no problem with ho