On Sat, 2003-03-29 at 14:20, John Palmieri wrote:
> >
> > > Dia was using XML well before it became a key technology, and SVG was used
> > > significantly.
> > >
> > > Seperating presentation and information as Dia does now is a real plus -
> > >
>
> > Dia was using XML well before it became a key technology, and SVG was used
> > significantly.
> >
> > Seperating presentation and information as Dia does now is a real plus -
> > have a look at the adbomnination that is argouml's xml file format and you
> > will see why you don't use somethi
On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 12:26, Al Banks wrote:
> Thanks, Cyrille!
>
> Warning: I'm an XML neophyte
>
> I added the xmlns parameters back into the tags, same result.
>
> Is there anything I need to change in those tags? Should I go back to
> adding this object to an existing sheet?
>
> He
Wow, perhaps using the XSTL to convert Visio XML documents to Dia
documents and visa versa. Only problem would be the shapes. Since they
are not exactly the same, documents would look different between Visio
and Dia. Well it is a start. As for well-formedness (is that a word?)
any data
Cyrille Chepelov wrote:
>Le mer, aoû 08, 2001, à 10:11:13 -0400, Gary James a écrit:
>
>>Is there any way to rotate an object 90 degrees. I tried to rotate an XOR
>>gate so that it points to the right and I can't figure out how to do that.
>>
>
>FAQ. In the current code, no way. We are slowly tak
Cyrille Chepelov wrote:
>Le mer, aoû 08, 2001, à 01:37:08 +0100, M. Lavasani a écrit:
>
>>Hi
>>
>>I 've compiled "Dia-0.88.1" on HPUX version 11.00. The program compiled without
>>any problem. But when I try to run the program:
>>
>> ./run_dia.sh or ./dia
>>
>>The proram start with d
Andre Kloss wrote:
>Hi, John, hi Cyrille, hi everyone!
>
>I would really like to see the changes, alas I lack a usable dev
>platform, since my notebook has ceased working and I have only windoze
>boxes around (They are not my own, or they'd run Linux!).
>All I can do now is to have a look at the
Hey Cyrille. I saw your post about the UML changes and it occured
to me that I'm not doing much in UrShapes to support UTF8. Actualy I
have done nothing because I am not totaly shure how Gnome/GTK+/Dia
handles UTF8. First, can you point me to the docs and second can you
briefly go over
Ok folks, the moment you have all been waiting for is here. Ok, the
moment some of you have been waiting for. UrShapes is now in cvs at
cvs.con-struct.sourceforge.net/con-struct in module
dia-0.88.1_urshape_fork. I tried to create a patch and for some reason
the resulting patch wouldn't patch
I can speak for UrShapes. It is way far from being done and the code I have
been working on has yet to be released though that will change within the
coming week. To give you and idea of how far I have gotten I am up to the
point where the infrastructure is there and am now working on loading t
Finally my e-mail is working properly. For some reason, sending via
external mail agents (netscape, outlook, etc.) would become a crap shoot
whether or not the mail would actually send or if it would show up 12
hours later. My web mail and telnet clients worked fine. Kinda weird
but I uninstall
Lars Clausen wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, John Palmieri wrote:
>
> > --I sent this earlier but I am not sure if it got through
> >
> > Well I've got a skeleton compiling, and installing. Dia is loading the
> > library but it doesn't seem to show up
--I sent this earlier but I am not sure if it got through
Well I've got a skeleton compiling, and installing. Dia is loading the
library but it doesn't seem to show up on the sheet. Here is the code I
am using to register it:
DIA_PLUGIN_CHECK_INIT
PluginInitResult
dia_plugin_init(PluginInfo
Well, I have started to set up my system so that I can start coding the
UrShapes. I am working with the 0.88.1 sources and have created a
directory under objects called urshapes. I have also modified the build
system to recognize this directory and the sources within them. I am
going to start b
We are working on new Shapes code called UrShapes that will make it
easier in the future to create interactive shapes. One of my goals with
this project is to create new UML shapes that are easier to work with
and allow for scripts to manipulate shapes. Once finished it will be
easy for someone
Sorry, I've been busy lately in my job search. My network is coming along
great. The biggest problem is going to be the electrical. We need to place an
outlet in the basement for the switch and firewall. After that I can start
being productive in terms of coding. Can anyone recommend the best
Ok, well here is my take on the UrShape. I rearanged the structures to be
a bit more object oriented. I havent put in the behaviors yet. This is
just a skeleton. The gist of it is that everything is a UrShape with
global ur functions to manipulate the tree. UrContainers inherit from
UrShape a
The "normal" UrContainer should have just layout behaviors same as the
Drag n' Drop ones without allowing Drag n' Drop. Perhaps we should make
DnD an attribute instead of a separate type of container. A note on
HORIZANTAL_ARRAY, VERTICAL_ARRAY containers. Perhaps these should be VBOX
and HBOX t
Andre Kloss wrote:
> Hi, folks.
>
> Let's pull the pieces together:
>
> Lars writes:
>
> > You will also need a way to get UrShapes out of UrContainers.
> That a UrShape snaps to a UrContainer doesn't mean it can't be dragged
> out of it anymore.
Now I see what Chapin Charts are. Very nice.
Hehe. Well lets see if I can clarify what I was thinking.
Andre Kloss wrote:
> Hi again. John, you raised some points I dislike, so here's what I
> think:
>
> > > How can UrShapes interact? If a UrShape is dragged over a (free)
> > > UrContainer, it should snap into it until dragged out again.
Andre Kloss wrote:
> Hi folks, especially John and Cyrille, since you two seem to give the
> most constructive feedback.
>
> As you may (or may not) know, time is of the essence for my purpose,
> so I'm seeking help _fast_. The UrShape is now somehow defined, but
> still far from implementation
Hey Andre, check out my UrShape and GObject post. I think this will solve a
lot. They are basically non-gui Gtk objects.
Andre Kloss wrote:
> Hi again.
>
> > Could someone give a brief overview of what the ObjectOps and ObjectType
> > stuff do? Is this still used or is it depricated in the Std
Well I just got finished reading about GObject and am convinced they are
the way to go. They OO and provide for signal and slots which solves
the callback stuff. The only problem is that to use them requires
GLib-2.0 and GTK+ 2.0 which may cause your systems to become unstable.
Bleeding edge bab
Andre Kloss wrote:
> Hi, there.
>
> Since I don't see anyone providing a basic UrShape definition, I'll
> try to write one myself. It is far from complete, but I need to
> advance with this project, since my profesor will stop me from using
> dia if I don't have a "working draft" of a UrShape b
Oh, you do want to use C++. Ouch, I just thought you were just thinking in
C++. As much as I love C++ I think that forcing the maintainers to switch
might not be a good thing. If I have learned anything for developing with Open
Source is to always follow the coding practices of the original dev
James Henstridge wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, John Palmieri wrote:
>
> > Sorry for double posting but my computer's clock was messed up.
> >
> > I'm getting a little bit of a feel for XML Schema's. The documentation
> > islittered with new term
that
using them will have any negative impact. However if you think that having a DTD
around would be good I can do it both ways.
-J5
"James K. Lowden" wrote:
> John Palmieri wrote:
>
> > I'm getting a little bit of a feel for XML Schema's. ... I think they are
mbination of TREX and RELAX has the attention of some heavy
> hitters in the XML parsing world (e.g., James Clark, Norm Walsh).
>
> Further if procedural/functional definition is needed, consider
> XEXPR:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/xexpr/
>
>
> On Sun, 02 Jan 2000, John
Sorry for double posting but my computer's clock was messed up.
I'm getting a little bit of a feel for XML Schema's. The documentation
islittered with new terminology that takes a bit getting use to. The
examples look straight forward. I think they are a better way to
represent the shapes inst
I'm getting a little bit of a feel for XML Schema's. The documentation is
littered with new terminology that takes a bit getting use to. The examples look
straight forward. I think they are a better way to represent the shapes instead
of DTD's. I will work on moving the widget.dtd to UrShape.s
Lennon Day-Reynolds wrote:
> John/James L./Andre:
>
> I like (and have argued for) the idea of a 'mini-DOM' API, based on a
> subset of SVG, being used as the internal structure of these Ur-Shapes.
> For the arbirary additional properties, we need a portable,
> language-agnostic set of datatype
> That's what I thought of. But the interface will have some extensions
> of which some might not be in a DOM (i.e. integer handling). The
> tree-handling interface would be as close as possible to libxml-DOM.
>
Great!
>
> > Since we are building our own tree then yes SAX is the way to go.
> One
Andre,
I think the general consensus is to use libxml for loading and saving only
since libxml only supports text data and no way to attach extra data to
nodes. We also want to build a mini-DOM interface for accessing UrShapes.
Comments inline:
>
> Time for a few more thoughts:
> James has writ
James,
Ok, good we are on the right track now. What I need from everyone is a short
description on how
they want to help out in this effort so we can assign tasks and not duplicate each
other work. I
can basically manage this effort for right now - write the DTD's, assign tasks, code
reviews
Ok well I'm just going to comment on the points I have some knowledge on. Comments are
inline:
"James K. Lowden" wrote:
> Recap
>
>
> There is some controversy over just how far the generic Shape property & behavior can
> be carried. As James said, "hand coding a property dialog for a few shape
Ok here is a start of the widget DTD which is much like shapes but with
the added boxcontainer. I left out the SVG stuff which should be able
to be added by some sort of include statement and placed into a separate
file. I didn't find a way to do that in my docs so if there isn't a way
I will ju
>
> The latter, in my mind. While the looks of the UML object can be made with
> the above-mentioned SVG extension, the functionality of the attributes,
> operations and interfaces are more complex than would be workable in XML.
>
> The rework that would be nice at some point (probably after GTK
Andre, that is exactly what we want to add.
Ok, well here is a new proposal that should make most people happy for the
time being. All the SVG extensions will be handled by a new shape code
and will not effect the core of dia. I think the SVG stuff is handled by
the generic shape. Am I correct
Lars Clausen wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Lennon Day-Reynolds wrote:
>
> > Okay, I just have to weigh in here...this looks like too much fun.
> >
> > Cyrille Chepelov wrote
> >
> > > Anyway, if you prove me wrong with working code (I've got a P133 to
> > > check the speed side...), then alri
so that I can address them and perhaps use the
feedback in the design.
-J5
Cyrille Chepelov wrote:
> Le mar, jun 12, 2001, à 03:59:25 +0100, John Palmieri a écrit:
>
> > While this doesn't answer all layout questions it seems like a good
> > start
Hmm, ascii art doesn't seem to work well. Hopefully you get the idea.
-J5
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Well, I was racking my head for a simple algorithm that could be used
for layouts involving dynamic shapes (ie UML shapes that "grow" when
data is placed in them). I hadn't realized how simple the algorithm
could be. First off I must introduce the concept of a container shape.
Container shapes w
Ok, well I sent this reply to the list as well as to you James. We should keep the
discussion there so people can be free to comment or ignore us as we go along.
I can't code much now because I have no real access to CVS (Just graduated and am
relegated to using my parents AOL connection until I
Hi,
I'm new to the list so don't shoot me for asking stupid questions that
may have already been asked. I was looking through the dia cvs stuff -
actually looking for an easy way to script/extend Dia. My first place
to go was the dtd files since I needed to manipulate the shapes directly
and I
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