Re: Our last-minute mess

2019-08-14 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
Well then, there is our proof that Python is not quite universal yet. It's always available, but it's presence cannot be blindly assumed. On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 10:52 PM Hal Murray via devel wrote: > > >> What are the plans for splitting out the python stuff? Do most distros > >> include Python

Re: Testing

2019-08-14 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
I "test" buildprep for Debian for every release, because I spin up a small minimal Debian instance for each release. One of my todo's is to collate and add to the docs the set of packages I have apt-get each time. On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 11:18 PM Hal Murray via devel wrote: > > > Should we test

Re: Stanford talk: Jupyter Notebooks, Fernando Perez and Guido van Rossum

2019-08-14 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
Jupyter is pretty cool. My dayjob recently hired one of the lead contributors, and Jupyter use is spreading across the company, especially by the data scientists and the econometrics people. It's basically matlab with Python. On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 3:41 AM Hal Murray via devel wrote: > > Mark

Re: Replacing python ntpc submodule using ctypes/ffi

2019-08-14 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
That looks neat! Everyone, what do you think? ..m On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 5:57 AM James Browning via devel wrote: > > I have set up a branch replacing the current Python version-specific > ntp.ntpc with a language-agnostic foreign function interface stub point > and a version agnostic Python ntp

Re: Driver strategy - we need to decide among incompatible goals

2019-08-14 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
Can OnCore be supported by gpsd? And while I also like removing code, we've removed a lot, and I'm not instantly adverse to giving the hobbyests a command option to handle wraparound on their old hardware. On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 5:36 AM Eric S. Raymond via devel wrote: > > Issue #608, "Future ne

Re: Testing

2019-07-14 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
> This would actually be pretty easy to do, mechanically speaking. The hard question is what you do with this timing information once you have it. Oh, believe me, cloud scale devops shops know what to do with all the timing information. On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 3:19 PM Eric S. Raymond wrote: >

Fwd: NTPsec bug - maybe?

2019-07-09 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
Hi guys, what do you think is causing this problem? -- Forwarded message - From: Marco Davids Date: Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 12:11 AM Subject: NTPsec bug - maybe? To: mark.atw...@ntpsec.org Hi Mark, Sorry for contacting you directly, but I can't seem to get any mails through via th

Re: The NTPsec Project is pleased to announce the tagging of version 1.1.5

2019-07-07 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
You are right, it't not appearing in the FTP server. We'll find out why. ..m On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:39 PM Fred Wright via devel wrote: > > > On Sun, 30 Jun 2019, Mark Atwood wrote: > > > The NTPsec Project is pleased to announce the tagging of version 1.1.5 > > I guess "tagging" is a good de

Re: ENABLE_MSSNTP - is anybody testing it?

2019-02-14 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
Don't remove it just yet, I will email someone about it. On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 11:42 AM Eric S. Raymond via devel wrote: > Hal Murray via devel : > > Or does anybody know if that path has been tested? If so, when? > > > > In case you don't recognize the term, it's when you get with > --enable

Re: Are we interested in client certificates?

2019-02-14 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
How hard would it be to implement, and what does it buy us? -- Mark Atwood http://about.me/markatwood +1-206-604-2198 ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org http://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Invitation to the CERT Vendor Meeting 2019 [INFO#384036] - ntpsec

2019-02-06 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
Screw it, it's worth it. I'm going to be at this. ..m -- Mark Atwood http://about.me/markatwood +1-206-604-2198 ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org http://lists.ntpsec.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Invitation to the CERT Vendor Meeting 2019 [INFO#384036] - ntpsec

2019-02-06 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
| The CERT Coordination Center invites you to attend | the CERT Vendor Meeting 2019. The meeting will | be held on Monday March 4, 2019, at the Westin | St. Francis in San Francisco, CA, US. This is the sort of thing that does make me occationally wish I lived near the SF Bay Area. ..m -- Mar

Re: Should two-digit years be fatal to a refclock?

2019-02-06 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
I'm going to decide to not to decide right now. We leave those refclocks in for now. This conversation is illuminating. On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:32 AM Eric S. Raymond via devel wrote: > Richard Laager via devel : > > I have (and was/am using) a clock using the Spectracom driver, with the > > t

Re: Sometimes Ignoring Time on Certificates (Was: Re: Docs we will need)

2019-02-06 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
This sounds somewhat similar to the brilliant hack that is https://github.com/ioerror/tlsdate On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 9:34 AM Eric S. Raymond via devel wrote: > Richard Laager via devel : > > On 2/5/19 7:49 PM, Richard Laager wrote: > > > I have a specific proposal that I'll hopefully write up to

Re: lockclock

2019-01-09 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
lockclock stays in Thanks! ..m On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 6:28 AM Eric S. Raymond via devel wrote: > Gary E. Miller via devel : > > Lockclock mode is very important to the PTP people. They use PTP to > > distribute time on the local net to the clients. Then a PTP client can > > use NTP to server

prep for cutting a release, target 2019-01-13

2019-01-09 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
We do indeed, thank you, Hal. I would like to cut a release Sunday night, 2019-01-13 Everyone, please chime in, let me know if you think No Go or otherwise have concerns. Is buildbot happy? Everyone, please no new features or major refactoring on the master branch. If you have any pending bran

Re: KillMime-Version: 1.0

2018-10-30 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
Wow, fast. Thanks Hal! ..m On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 1:23 PM Gary E. Miller via devel wrote: > Yo Hal! > > On Mon, 29 Oct 2018 12:49:22 -0700 > Hal Murray wrote: > > > > Should be easy to fix. Anyone want to try? > > > > Done. > > Thanks! > > > const int totalLength = 36; > > char packetPtr

Re: ✘Kill all VLAs

2018-10-30 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
Looks straightforward enough. Ian? On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 12:02 PM Gary E. Miller via devel wrote: > Yo All! > > The Linux kernel has now removed all Varible Length Arrays (VLAs). > > Linux has spoke: > > "USING VLA'S IS ACTIVELY STUPID! It generates much more code, and much > _slower_ code (an

"state of the world re 2038 linux"

2018-10-24 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
https://osseu18.sched.com/event/FwGb/the-end-of-time-19-years-to-go-arnd-bergmann-linaro-ltd There will be a video recording of this presentation. I will post a link to that when it is available. ..m -- Mark Atwood http://about.me/markatwood +1-206-604-2198

Re: SINGLEBUFFER

2018-09-20 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
Thank you Hal! On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 4:53 PM Hal Murray via devel wrote: > > It's simple, at least conceptually. I'm embarrassed I didn't see it > (much) > sooner. > > The general idea with the old code is: > > From several places deep in ntp_io > read data into rb > rb->receiver = xxx >

Re: Anybody use ENABLE_DEBUG_TIMING?

2018-09-19 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
I've not seen an docs or use for it. Unless Eric or Gary chime in, rip it out. ..m On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 4:06 PM Hal Murray via devel wrote: > > Is it documented anyplace? > > If nobody uses it, I propose to remove it to simplify work on SINGLEBUFFER. > > If somebody wants it, we can reimple

Re: Unify clockmaker and pinup; and some other stuff

2018-09-06 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
Thank you Mike! Please submit the PEP8 MR after you've fixed the merge conflict. I will review your existing MRs. On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 6:50 PM MIKE MAJOR via devel wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'd like to tell you what I've been working on. I submitted MRs for the > HOWTO section numbering and

Re: Cleanup (or crazy idea): Drop forking

2018-08-29 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
I'm kind of a fan of dropping forking as well, and letting the distros do the locally Right Thing with their startup scripts. Not enough of a fan to say to do it right now, but I would like some more pros and cons about it. -- Mark Atwood http://about.me/markatwood +1-206-604-2198 __

Re: Contribute to the project the right way

2018-08-12 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
You are on the right track. You are discovering how git workflows work. Feel free to keep asking questions on this mailing list. Also, feel free to write up your experience, as a blog post, and to suggest improvements to our HACKING.txt document. Thank you for playing with NTPsec, and welcome!

ANNOUNCE. prep for release cut, semifirm code gel

2018-06-02 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
I am going to tag the next release of NTPsec while at the f2f at SELF this coming weekend. No major work, new feature, or code removals are to go into mainline this week. If you have a burning need to do major work, do it in a personal branch. Please cycle over the small cleanups, nits, doc fixe

Re: Why admin's do not trust daemons to do their own packet filtering (was Re: Resuming the great cleanup)

2018-05-29 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
We could kill the interface command, and let the usual syntax error happen. Or we could raise a special syntax error, calling out the need to use the packet filter instead. Then the question becomes, is it a warn-and-continue, or a error-and-halt? ..m On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 12:17 PM Eric S. Ra

Re: Resuming the great cleanup

2018-05-29 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 11:15 AM Achim Gratz via devel wrote: > However, there is still value in the knowledge of which interface the > packet came in so that ntpd can place different levels of trust > depending on whether it's from a private (virtual) network segement, an > internal or public ne

Why admin's do not trust daemons to do their own packet filtering (was Re: Resuming the great cleanup)

2018-05-29 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
There are a couple of different but very similar angles of approach to explain why a network security experts will not trust a userspace daemon to control it's own defensive packet filtering. The UNIX concept: each tool should do one thing, and do it well. The ntpd should no more do packet filte

Re: gitlab heads-up: approval feature enabled for MRs

2018-05-28 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
There are a small core of trusted people who currently have ACLs and blessing to develop with "git push", mainly ESR, GEM, Hal, and DFF, (and myself when I'm cutting a release). Everyone else is to use gitlab merge requests, and now MR's with the code review voting that Matthew has set up. Hal,

Trying again: prep for 1.0.1

2018-03-09 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
Ok, trying again. We held the 1.0.1 release for a fix for a problem that Hal discovered and fixed. Thank you, Hal! Since we have a CVE fix in this release, and also a "make it work better on AWS AMIs" fix in, I do want to get this release out soonest. Please chime in, is there any reason to not

Re: prep for 1.0.1

2018-03-05 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
Thank you! On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 2:25 PM Hal Murray via devel wrote: > > Do you have the truncate fix in? > > Apologies for not sending a specific announcement. > > Yes. > > commit b01f1d658b11c4e8c24b307a7a79e8307364fbc2 > Author: Hal Murray > Date: Fri Mar 2 00:38:49 2018 -0800 > > Tru

Re: prep for 1.0.1

2018-03-05 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
Hi Hal, Do you have the truncate fix in? ..m On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:09 PM Hal Murray wrote: > > fallenpega...@gmail.com said: > > If Hal isn't happy, I'm not happy. I'll hold the release until this gets > > unsnarled. ..m > > It will take a day or two to fix the truncate case. Maybe tonig

Re: prep for 1.0.1

2018-02-28 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
Are we comfortable with the 1.0.1 release on March 3rd? I look forward to seeing it move down all the distribution pipelines. Google Alerts have shown 1.0.0 in Debian, Ubuntu, and Gentoo distribution build reports. ..m On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 6:41 PM Mark Atwood wrote: > Hi! > > A few months a

Re: Request for data / ntpsnmpd report

2018-02-01 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
The SNMP MIB RFCs are notorious for including magic blue sky values and measurements that nobody knows how to measure and that are not well defined. For things that don't make enough sense, it's ok to not implement that particular snmp variable. As for the "Check if ntpd configuration changed", t

upcoming 1.0.1 release this weekend

2017-12-05 Thread Mark Atwood, Project Manager via devel
Hi! Due to our recently done fix for working correctly with the Amazon time service, I think it is a good idea to push out a point release this week, this coming weekend. Please make sure that whatever you have pushed to master is ready for release, andor let me know if there is any good reason n