Cert pinning

2019-03-27 Thread Hal Murray via devel
> Only if the cert is not pinned. Pretty much every else I do with certs > eventually requires pinning. NTPsec will be no different. Could somebody please give me a lesson on this area? What is pinning? Why have I not encountered it before? If ntpsec supported it, what would it look like a

Re: Usefuleness of noval

2019-03-27 Thread Richard Laager via devel
On 3/27/19 6:07 PM, Gary E. Miller via devel wrote: > On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 15:57:16 -0700 > Hal Murray via devel wrote: > >> Richard Laager said: >>> Does NTS with noval actually buy us anything over plain NTP? >> >> It's handy for debugging. > > Yes. Otherwise NTPsec could not have reached 1

Re: I just pushed a NTS IP Address fix

2019-03-27 Thread Gary E. Miller via devel
Yo Sanjeev! On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 09:30:34 +0800 Sanjeev Gupta wrote: > Gary, no, I didn't install their cert chain. Ouch. I'm on: OpenSSL 1.0.2r > Do you need access to my host? Ask Hal, he is working on that code. scons version 3.0.5 broke the gpsd build. I'm knee deep in that mess. > >

Re: I just pushed a NTS IP Address fix

2019-03-27 Thread Sanjeev Gupta via devel
Gary, no, I didn't install their cert chain. Do you need access to my host? On Thu, Mar 28, 2019, 9:25 AM Gary E. Miller via devel wrote: > Yo Sanjeev! > > On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 09:16:17 +0800 > Sanjeev Gupta wrote: > > > Mine works. > > Odd. > > > root@ntpmon:~/ntpsec# git describe > > NTPsec_1

Re: I just pushed a NTS IP Address fix

2019-03-27 Thread Gary E. Miller via devel
Yo Sanjeev! On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 09:16:17 +0800 Sanjeev Gupta wrote: > Mine works. Odd. > root@ntpmon:~/ntpsec# git describe > NTPsec_1_1_3-444-gc4d912883 backup /usr/local/src/NTP/ntpsec # git describe NTPsec_1_1_3-444-gc4d912883 > root@ntpmon:~/ntpsec# grep ostfalia /etc/ntp.conf > server -

Re: Usefuleness of noval

2019-03-27 Thread Gary E. Miller via devel
Yo Hal! On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 15:57:16 -0700 Hal Murray via devel wrote: > Richard Laager said: > > Does NTS with noval actually buy us anything over plain NTP? > > It's handy for debugging. Yes. Otherwise NTPsec could not have reached 100% at the hackathon. That would have been bad... > It

Re: Usefuleness of noval

2019-03-27 Thread Hal Murray via devel
Richard Laager said: > Does NTS with noval actually buy us anything over plain NTP? It's handy for debugging. It breaks security if the bad guy can do a MITM. -- I was thinking along the same lines. Should we have a command line switch, say "--secure", that requires nts (without nova

Re: I just pushed a NTS IP Address fix

2019-03-27 Thread Hal Murray via devel
> Today's changes broke osfalia. Something is screwed up. I haven't figured out what. My test case is: server204.17.205.23 nts noselect noval # pi3.rellim.com It's not going through the NTS-KE dance. It will probably be simple after I find it. -- These are my opinions. I ha

Re: Usefuleness of noval (Was: Re: NTS crash...)

2019-03-27 Thread Gary E. Miller via devel
Yo Richard! On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:23:19 -0500 Richard Laager via devel wrote: > On 3/26/19 4:27 PM, Gary E. Miller via devel wrote: > > I added noval, still can not connect: > > > > server 204.17.205.23 maxpoll 5 nts noval # pi3 > > I wonder if we should revisit "noval". I think I originall

Usefuleness of noval (Was: Re: NTS crash...)

2019-03-27 Thread Richard Laager via devel
On 3/26/19 4:27 PM, Gary E. Miller via devel wrote: > I added noval, still can not connect: > > server 204.17.205.23 maxpoll 5 nts noval # pi3 I wonder if we should revisit "noval". I think I originally argued in favor of having it, as a standard TLS client knob. But IIRC, Daniel suggested it was

Re: frequency tolerance: 500

2019-03-27 Thread Gary E. Miller via devel
Yo Udo! On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 17:39:10 +0100 Udo van den Heuvel via devel wrote: > Why would ntpsec after a reboot move the pll to values at the edge of > what I am graphing using mrtg? I'd love to have someone take a hard look at ntpd startup behavior. Lot's of odd things going on then. > Befor

frequency tolerance: 500

2019-03-27 Thread Udo van den Heuvel via devel
Hello, Why would ntpsec after a reboot move the pll to values at the edge of what I am graphing using mrtg? Before the reboot the pll values were closer to 0. ntpq> kerninfo associd=0 status=0428 leap_none, sync_uhf_radio, 2 events, no_sys_peer, pll offset:92.1357 pll frequency: