duplicate documentation

2017-02-04 Thread Hal Murray
We have two copies of the documentation for the statistics files. One in docs/includes/mon-commands.txt and another in docs/statfiles.txt -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org http://lists.ntpsec.org/mailm

Re: Timekeeping oddities on MacMini G4s

2017-02-04 Thread Hal Murray
Thanks. f...@fwright.net said: > That seems inconsistent with the following comment in arch/powerpc/kernel/ > time.c: > * TODO (not necessarily in this file): > * - improve precision and reproducibility of timebase frequency > * measurement at boot time. I didn't see any calibration code, bu

Re: Timekeeping oddities on MacMini G4s

2017-02-04 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Hal! On Sat, 04 Feb 2017 17:19:21 -0800 Hal Murray wrote: > g...@rellim.com said: > > Then you have to take aging into account. A 10 year old Mac may > > have difted a lot. Or maybe the crystal got bumped. > > > Also a lot of crystals are now surface mount. The soldering > > process may

Re: Timekeeping oddities on MacMini G4s

2017-02-04 Thread Hal Murray
g...@rellim.com said: > Then you have to take aging into account. A 10 year old Mac may have difted > a lot. Or maybe the crystal got bumped. > Also a lot of crystals are now surface mount. The soldering process may > have bend to crystal a lot. Do you have references to any published data?

Re: Timekeeping oddities on MacMini G4s

2017-02-04 Thread Gary E. Miller
Yo Fred! On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 16:19:00 -0800 (PST) Fred Wright wrote: > When you think about it, the manufacturer knows perfectly well the > nominal frequency of the crystal being stuffed, and is also > programming onboard nonvolatile memory (typically EEPROM) with > various parameters, I used to

Re: Timekeeping oddities on MacMini G4s

2017-02-04 Thread Fred Wright
On Tue, 31 Jan 2017, Hal Murray wrote: > b...@kernel.crashing.org said: > > Right, we just use the value provided by Open Firmware. Any chance you can That seems inconsistent with the following comment in arch/powerpc/kernel/time.c: * TODO (not necessarily in this file): * - improve precision

Re: ntpq peers formatting needs floating point for time slots.

2017-02-04 Thread Hal Murray
strom...@nexgo.de said: > I don't know how compatible you are trying to stay with the "classic" > output, but to me it seems you'd be better off with such changes made > conditional on the use of an option, either a new one or maybe the existing > '-W' one (which means that the extra space first g

Re: ntpq peers formatting needs floating point for time slots.

2017-02-04 Thread Hal Murray
> Is the jitter column header/data supposed to have moved 1 character to the > right? Yes. The printout is now 79 characters wide rather than 78. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ devel mailing list devel@ntpsec.org http://lists.ntpsec.

waf / autorevision

2017-02-04 Thread Achim Gratz
After a git pull waf / autorevision don't seem to be recognizing that the version files should be regenerated. I've removed wafhelpers/.autorevision to trigger a rebuild manually, but it seems like a bug in the buildsystem. Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Bl

Re: ntpq peers formatting needs floating point for time slots.

2017-02-04 Thread Achim Gratz
Hal Murray writes: > I just pushed a fix. Please test. > > I bumped the width from 78 to 79. If that screws up, we should document a > test case. I'm assuming the output supports an 80 character line. I don't know how compatible you are trying to stay with the "classic" output, but to me it se

Re: ntpq peers formatting needs floating point for time slots.

2017-02-04 Thread Matthew Selsky
On Sat, Feb 04, 2017 at 01:39:45AM -0800, Hal Murray wrote: > Good catch. Thanks. > > I just pushed a fix. It's the sort of kludge that Eric won't like but I > don't have a better idea. Hey Hal, Looks better. $ ntpq -pn ; ./ntpclients/ntpq -pn remote refid st t when pol

Re: ntpq peers formatting needs floating point for time slots.

2017-02-04 Thread Eric S. Raymond
Hal Murray : > > matthew.sel...@twosigma.com said: > > We need some backwards compatibility for ntp classic servers. Eg, the > > server has only microsecond precision. We need to avoid adding trailing > > zeros that are not actually significant. > > Good catch. Thanks. > > I just pushed a fi

Re: ntpq peers formatting needs floating point for time slots.

2017-02-04 Thread Hal Murray
matthew.sel...@twosigma.com said: > We need some backwards compatibility for ntp classic servers. Eg, the > server has only microsecond precision. We need to avoid adding trailing > zeros that are not actually significant. Good catch. Thanks. I just pushed a fix. It's the sort of kludge tha