Re: problem with packaging Java program (clapham) for EL6: noarch vs. ExclusiveArch

Eric Smith wrote: > Is there some way to have a noarch package that only builds for (or is > only pushed for) specific architectures? Or is there some other correct > resolution for this kind of problem? AFAIK, you can only use ExcludeArch for noarch packages, not ExclusiveArch.

Re: illegal instruction - create compile variants ?

ble behavior? And I presume this is available on ELF glibc targets only, isn't it? Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-05-04)

t at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject

Re: Self Introduction

cellent and welcome! We use func in Fedora infrastructure, so this project is of interest to me at least. ;) I'm not sure when I can get to it, but if no one beats me to it I will look at reviewing your package and sponsoring you. :) Welcome to the fun. kevin signature.asc Descrip

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2011-05-04)

=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2011-05-04) === Meeting started by nirik at 17:30:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-05-04/fesco.2011-05-04-17.30.log.html Meeting summary -

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anaconda-15.31-1.fc15 - Update the requirements for memory..

>From what I can figure out it looks like lorax-0.4.4-1.fc15 uses and needs more memory I can run Fedora 15 in full shell on our slowest 1.5 Ghz laptop with 256mb memory and it runs faster than f14, I do an install with 512MB than take out stick. The live cd as of May6 that I made using the repo...

Re: F15's /usr/include/rpc has disappeared; uncompilable

new builds. The problem comes up when they DO need to get recompiled, for whatever reason. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Interlinux waiting list

the fedora list address. > > I'm trying to get hold of him to say "please make it stop!". ;) > > Please don't reply to the domain addresses as this appears to trigger > more auto-responses. FYI, I have set his account to moderated for the list... so th

Re: Changelog entries on older package

IK in RHEL upgrades between major releases are simply not supported. You are expected to re-install if you go from RHEL5 to RHEL6. So, no requirement that the RHEL5 version be less than the RHEL6 one. ;) Hopefully I understood your question... did that help? kevin signature.asc Descripti

Re: Is Rawhide supposed to be useful?

#x27;s still useful. I always build new stuff for rawhide first before pushing to f15. I'd like to hope most other maintainers do as well, and perhaps autoQA can nag and get those who don't to do so. I think in this case it was just a matter or not getting the proper folks attention to fix

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Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-05-11)

new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedorap

Re: Is Rawhide supposed to be useful?

when maintainers are busy/unable to look at things, we can see what the 'hot bugs' are and others can try and lend a hand. Unfortunately, it's not easy to get that kind of thing out of bugzilla. ;( > Starting threads with melodramatic attention-getting subject lines > should

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2011-05-11)

. 17:41:26 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Development/SteeringCommittee/Nominations 17:41:56 and nominations close 2011-05-15 at 23:59:59 17:42:22 Expiring Seats are currently held by: Kevin Fenzi (nirik) (Chair), Bill Nottingham (notting), Kyle McMartin (kyle), Steven M. Parrish (tuxbrewr) and

Re: More than one version of a package

a new version, and create an update for it, it would normally then go to updates-testing, then finally to updates. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: More than one version of a package

On Mon, 16 May 2011 18:51:35 -0300 Sergio Belkin wrote: > 2011/5/16 Kevin Fenzi : > > On Mon, 16 May 2011 18:11:15 -0300 > > Sergio Belkin wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> Let's say I have package X 1.0 I'd want to upload an srpm of X 1.1 > >> a

Re: How to build noarch package on only certain architectures?

ludeArch/ExclusiveArch. 2. Leave it noarch and ExcludeArch: ppc64, then try and keep rebuilding it until you hit a non ppc builder. I tried various other things, none of which worked. ;( kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-05-18)

ld like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting. kevin sig

Re: F-15 Branched report: 20110517 changes

ring the release gold. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Security release criterion proposal

uot;updates". I don't see how a 0-day update wouldn't be an appropriate resolution for a security issue. Now if you are talking about NTH, then yes, security fixes should be NTH. Maybe even all of them. But I don't think we should be blocking or delaying any release for the

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2011-05-18)

=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2011-05-18) === Meeting started by nirik at 17:30:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-05-18/fesco.2011-05-18-17.30.log.html Meeting summary -

Re: Security release criterion proposal

metric, but the 6 months I mentioned are the time between 2 releases, i.e. the time that can pass in the worst case until we release fixed images. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Security release criterion proposal

logic is flawed in that you assume that every user installs Fedora the day of the release. That's actually very far from the truth. All your efforts to release without known security vulnerabilities are for naught when the next one inevitably comes up soon after the release and there won&

Re: Security release criterion proposal

l reasons I don't want to go into here, the media we handed out at the event were all GA images, not respins. Users downloading the images themselves will probably also opt for the GA ISOs we officially distribute, not unofficial respins we do not officially endorse. Kevin Kofler -

Re: Security release criterion proposal

ly a good idea, but unfortunately I'm not convinced of its practicality. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Security release criterion proposal

Adam Jackson wrote: > On 5/18/11 4:49 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> The thing is, if we block the release for each and every known security >> issue, considering the time passing between notification and public >> availability of a fix, we will never be able to release anythin

Re: 9base in Fedora?

ot;alternatives" system, since it's per-user > rather than systemwide. Alternatives is entirely unacceptable for this kind of core system binaries anyway. You break a lot of things if e.g. /bin/ls suddenly does something different. Kevin Kofler -- devel maili

tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-05-25)

rs, testers and release engineers. We will resume our regular meeting schedule next week (2011-06-01). Please file any items for consideration at our trac instance: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedorapr

upstart → systemd upgrade path issue

F14: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=707507 This is going to break upgrades from F14 to F15 for many of our users. :-( Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: 9base in Fedora?

ually, the proper place for executables is /usr/libexec, not /usr/lib(64). That's what libexec is for. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Upgrading from Fedora 14 to 15 -> some problems

t's using > an old NVIDIA GPU + manufacturer libraries (not nouveau that's not 3D > accelerated). Nouveau now supports OpenGL (3D acceleration) by default in Fedora 15. (Fedora 14 already had experimental support for it; in Fedora 15, it is no longer experimental.

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Re: upstart → systemd upgrade path issue

/control-alt-del.override file with "manual" stanza. This sounds >> for me as very good reason to add this. > > I don't see how. How are you taking advantage of these new features in > Fedora 14? It's a feature for system administrators, not for Fedora package

Re: Buildbot package

Gianluca Sforna wrote: > Good. I guess I can produce both buildbot and buildbot-master from the > current "buildbot" package, so just one review for buildbot-slave is > actually needed? Right. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedo

Re: execve()ing non-existent command returns EPERM instead of ENOENT in Koji

Petr Pisar wrote: > A test executes non-existent command and expects ENOENT. This is how it > works even in my local Rawhide. However Koji glibc returns [EACCESS]. I guess the difference is due to SELinux. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: yum / dist-upgrade / memory

eproduce after removing the "yum-presto" plugin package? I'll note that presto data has changed between 14 and 15. The drpms won't help or work for a dist upgrade. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: non-responsive icon theme maintainer

take over the package but if no one else > wants to do it. I am ok with caring for it. > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=684664 Still no reply here. Please request acls in pkgdb, and I will approve them for you. > Best Regards, > > Johannes kevin signature.asc D

Re: Anaconda won't detect partitions

Sergio Belkin wrote: > May 26 09:23:14 localhost storage: MultipathTopology: found singlepath > device: dm-0 > May 26 09:23:14 localhost storage: MultipathTopology: found singlepath > device: dm-1 Try booting the installer with the "nodmraid" parameter. Kevin Kof

Re: which video player for a package Requires ?

(I haven't tested all the other bazillion video MIME types, but I guess it will be the same.) Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: yum / dist-upgrade / memory + depmod

Reindl Harald wrote: > tonight on a virtual machine with 512 MB RAM yum-upgrade > from fedora 13 to fedora 14, oom-killer played butcher while > refreshing the kmod-open-vm-tools while depmod was running Do you have any swap space configured? You should have some. Kevin Kofler

Re: Upgrading from Fedora 14 to 15 -> some problems

On Friday 27 May 2011, Tom Callaway wrote: > Last time I looked, anaconda supported enabling the updates (and > updates-testing) repositories. Only for new installations, not for upgrades. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproje

Re: yum / dist-upgrade / memory + depmod

Reindl Harald wrote: > yes, 150 MB That's not enough. Try again with 1 or 2 GiB of swap space. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Upgrading from Fedora 14 to 15 -> some problems

use of some issue with the ordering of operations in the RPM transaction. So, if that's true, it isn't that straightforward to fix, unfortunately. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: File nauty24r2.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by rdieter

, this has no business being bundled into Macaulay2, which comes from a separate upstream. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Upgrading from Fedora 14 to 15 -> some problems

e... so as always YMMV. Well, I use plain yum for a reason. ;-) I've had so many problems with Anaconda that I prefer bypassing it entirely. That said, that method is only half-supported, so there too, YMMV. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org http

Re: Upgrading from Fedora 14 to 15 -> some problems

ates included for upgrades then? (IMHO, this should be the default, or even better, required. Upgrading without updates enabled just won't work reliably.) Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: File nauty24r2.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by rdieter

whole directory from the source tarball * external/nauty: rm -rf the whole directory from the source tarball You should also unbundle cdd and lrs (i.e. use separate packages for those) and check that you don't have GPL version conflicts (v2 only vs. v3 only). (FYI, bliss is GPLv3.)

Re: File nauty24r2.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by rdieter

s nothing newer than v3 now, authors should still use v3+ to plan for the future!) and vague licensing not clearly stating anything about the GPL version. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: incorrect-fsf-address

Public License along with this program. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>. IMHO, this is a good idea even for code which is GPLv2+. (GPLv2-only code (ugh!) should probably refer to http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html instead, or keep the postal address as re

Re: GTK apps loog ugly

nstalled. It is the systemwide default, so installing it will make your GTK+ 3 applications pick it up automatically. We hope to have a solution for better KDE integration, like the one for GTK+ 2 (oxygen-gtk, kcm-gtk), available for GTK+ 3 soon. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing li

Re: AWOL Apologies [Or: "I'm not dead yet!"]

ve into bugs and start working on them again. :) Glad to hear you are ok and welcome back. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: GTK apps loog ugly

he story about fonts in F15. (In short: What you're seeing is probably a feature, but it can be disabled, in a better way than hintstyle=none which turns off all hinting entirely.) Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-06-01)

. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Unplanned OUTAGE: buildsystem (2011-06-01)

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orphaning cnetworkmanager

perty 583043 Fedora assignedUnicodeEncodeError in networkmanager/util.py line 125 If someone would like to take it and run with it, great. ;) kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2011-06-01)

=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2011-06-01) === Meeting started by nirik at 17:30:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-06-01/fesco.2011-06-01-17.30.log.html Meeting summary -

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2011-06-01) (corrected)

Sorry about that, the minutes were cut off. Here's the complete log: kevin -- 17:30:01 #startmeeting FESCO (2011-06-01) 17:30:01 Meeting started Wed Jun 1 17:30:01 2011 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:30:01 Useful Commands: #a

Re: patch only if dependent version < x? (rpm spec)

… %prep %if 0%{?have_foo_MMM} %patchPPP -p1 -b .fooMMM %endif Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

David Howells wrote: > ... and then you install acroread and things go horribly wrong due to > their attempt to work around bash completion of filenames with spaces [BZ > 702329]. We do not support third-party proprietary software. What's wrong with Okular or Evince?

Re: Installing bash-completion by default in F-16

on is also a bad idea, this needs to get fixed in Adobe Reader!) It is not our job to work around bugs (or gratuitous incompatibilities with long-established Free Software packages) in proprietary software. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.

Re: Gnome Shell Extension manager/framework planned?

xtensible, but about the fact that extensions are required for many things which should be built in, either by default (e.g. the "shut down" entry in the menu) or as an option. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: help needed with packaging kradview : qt related

:QImage' >> directly [-fpermissive] >> panel2d.cpp:89:70: error: for a function-style cast, remove the >> redundant '::QImage' [-fpermissive] [snip 7 more of the same] That's a plain C++ issue, not a Qt issue. sed -i -e 's/QImage::QImage/QImage/g&#

Re: Package Reviews Needed

law in most of the world. (Some countries even ban using unencrypted wireless networks without explicit permission.) And I fail to see any legitimate use for this tool. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Summary/Minutes from last weeks FESCo meeting (2011-06-01)

Sorry for the late mail here. I seem to have not mailed this last week. ;( === #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2011-06-01) === Meeting started by nirik at 17:30:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-

Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2011-06-08)

his e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing

Re: koji attempting to use qt3-devel rpm rather than qt-devel on fedora 13 build root

lt; 1:4, but BuildRequires: qt3-devel is the better solution anyway), but that fix didn't trickle into F13 updates, sorry. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2011-06-08)

=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2011-06-08) === Meeting started by nirik at 17:30:03 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-06-08/fesco.2011-06-08-17.30.log.html Meeting summary -

Outage: Server Updates/Reboots - 2011-06-14 21:00 UTC

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Re: rawhide missed an implicit dependency for #!python

eacting then would've saved a week's > worth of broken builds :-/ Is there a way we can generate a list of builds affected? Is it everything? Or things that only have a specific type of requires? kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: orphaning xine-lib, EOL'ing phonon-backend-xine

Rex Dieter wrote: > The labor of love that was maintaining xine-lib has passed, as it will no > longer be a dependency in f16's kde stack in any form. As such, I'm > orphaning it. Kevin Kofler has offered to take ownership, though I'd > venture he'd welcome any

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

Denys Vlasenko wrote: > Mem total:2035840 anon:431208 map:78924 free:419084 [snip] > 1 15384 11856 13664 1340 11752 0 132 /sbin/init So this singleton process is taking 0.76% of your RAM. What the heck are you complaining about? Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list

Re: Different behaviour on gcc 4.6?

Sergio Belkin wrote: > | int > | { > | > |; > |return 0; > | } This is not a valid C program. Maybe GCC 4.5 accepted this junk?! GCC 4.6 is right to error on it. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Reminder: Fedora 13 end of life on 2011-06-24

collection. Please see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DistributionUpgrades for more information on upgrading from Fedora 13 to a newer release. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ devel-announce mailing list devel-annou

Re: [Fed-Devel] Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

ing. I don't see any valid reason why you'd use it over systemd. You complain about some bugs in systemd, those should be reported as bugs and fixed. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

Christoph Wickert wrote: > systems upgraded with yum still have upstart installed (I did it myself) This has been fixed since: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=707507 Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mail

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

t that the user's fstab is invalid? Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: how to push to stable?

when his/her update has received sufficient testing. Thinking is what brains are for, computers suck at it.) Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: WTF - Re: [Fed-Devel] Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 13.06.2011 05:58, schrieb Kevin Kofler: >> No, the choice of this kind of core under-the-hood system components >> should be a decision of the distribution. > > thats freedom? You have the freedom to fork Fedora. Good luck! A distribution is

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

Reindl Harald wrote: > and some are not realizing that we are not speaking about a sound-daemon > stopping you hear music > > we are speaking about the most important component of the system! That's exactly why we shouldn't let users replace it at random. Kevin Kof

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:45:57 +0100 Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:39:02AM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > I do not regularly agree with Kevin Kofler, but you can call him > > what you want in private email til the days are done. At this point >

Re: Bodhi v0.8 in production

und. koji would need a additional layer of interface and adding another tool would be a bad idea. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Guide to setting karma thresholds?

is fix out now, more if you just wanted testing on this, to be obsoleted by another update when ready). kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

owed by the letter of the FHS as written (even if it might be against the spirit). IMHO, libexec is the one correct place for this stuff. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

sible to hardcode /usr/lib (and some stuff notoriously does this), but IMHO this is all broken. Everything installed by an x86_64 RPM into /usr/lib is in the wrong place. It should be in /usr/libexec, /usr/share, /usr/bin or /usr/lib64. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing li

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

Denys Vlasenko wrote: > Try "rm /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon". Works like a charm. Randomly removing pieces of installed packages has never been supported. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: orphaning xine-lib, EOL'ing phonon-backend-xine

new Phonon interfaces, which work with phonon-backend-gstreamer (the new default). As for kdebase-runtime, it has a System Settings module to configure Phonon- Xine. That stuff needs to go away in Rawhide along with phonon-backend-xine. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing

Re: conclusion: F15 / systemd / user-experience

as the maintainer). We really did what we could to make KDE 4.0 not suck. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

e) wont get udev works. > > What do you think I thought about all of this? That's exactly why I think it's a mistake to try to continue supporting upstart. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Guide to setting karma thresholds?

rma.) (Now I actually think we should kill this whole "karma" concept entirely and let the maintainers decide, but that isn't going to be acceptable to FESCo, unfortunately. The proposal in the previous paragraph, on the other hand, should be consistent with FESCo's req

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

Karl Misselt wrote: > Coming out of pure lurk mode - I think Seth's observations here > are true for a many of the things that have gone on in Fedora > recently (at the risk of opening wounds... eg. gnome3). If GNOME 3 is your problem, try KDE Plasma or Xfce. Kevin Kof

Re: What is the status of Features/YumLangpackPlugin?

.devel on news.gmane.org (NNTP) and snews.gmane.org (NNTPS), you can use any Usenet News client (e.g. KNode) to read and post to this list. Kevin Kofler (who is using KNode to post this message) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.or

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

ause of GNOME 3. We also have KDE Plasma, Xfce, LXDE and some other choices available for you. And you'll probably have to get familiar with one of those options sooner or later anyway, GNOME 2 is a dead end. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https

Re: conclusion: F15 / systemd / user-experience

release right from the start, we might have taken a different decision. That said, I actually think Fedora 9 turned out as a great release, KDE 4.0.3 wasn't quite as broken as some people (including some upstream developers) were claiming, and KDE got better and better in upda

Re: What is the status of Features/YumLangpackPlugin?

> its possible to change yum to accept both english and > internacionalized language ? You can use the internal identifier (which is never translated), i.e.: yum groupinstall development-tools Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

ything banning =exec there! Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [FHS] helper scripts location

ne was for /lib). Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

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