On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote:
> Seth Vidal wrote:
>>
>>
> Thanks, Seth. And if we don't, what's a good resource for security
> auditing n00bs?
1) Look over the change history. Don't trust the source repository but
older versions of the tar balls and see what has changed bet
I just wanted to say thanks to the guys who integrated ABRT into F12.
It has rough edges and I know it needs improvement, but I have filed
more 'bugs' than in many past releases where instead I just let things
slide. Most of the items I have run into have been fixed and I have
tried to help the eng
The Fedora Infrastructure staging environment is in between
development and production. While we usually only deploy fixes and
changes via automated methods in production, and do almost everything
by hand in development... staging systems can be a mix of the two.
Thus the staging servers need a ser
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 14:04, Matt McCutchen wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 22:23 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
>> Yes ssh is secure if used properly. To get the proper known_hosts entry,
>> one has to download https://admin.fedoraproject.org/ssh_known_hosts btw.
>
> I'm very glad to see that Fedora pro
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 13:13, Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2010/08/12 11:55 (GMT-0700) Adam Williamson composed:
>
>> if you want to maintain s-c-d, I'm sure ajax would be more than
>> happy to hand over ownership.
>
> Being a non-programmer I'm confident there's little likelihood I'd be
> competent t
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 13:09, List Troll wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Martin Sourada wrote:
>>> I still remember the epic fail of having KDE 4.0 in stable fedora
>>
>> * I still think the KDE 4.0.3 we shipped in F9 wasn't that bad. We fixed all
>> the showstop
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 08:27, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Paul Howarth wrote:
>> I use "at" on a regular basis, to schedule large downloads and uploads
>> when my ADSL bandwidth becomes unmetered after midnight.
>>
>> And I like getting the resulting email in the morning showing that all
>> went
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 14:15, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 24.08.10 16:14, Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) wrote:
>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 01:20:21PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>> > As stated in the bug, this would lead to a situation where you could
>> > have both a initdefau
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 14:07, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Jesse Keating wrote:
>> They need to be treated individually.
>
> You've been there when Fedora Legacy failed. (In fact, it was YOUR project.)
> This (the excess testing requirements, in particular the requirement to test
> every single release
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 19:41, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Aug 2010, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>> > I don't think anyone can generalize that the usage of Fedora is
>> > declining. What we can prove, and certainly is troublesome, is that
2010/8/28 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" :
> On 08/27/2010 10:47 PM, Bob Arendt wrote:
>
> Actually I think Fedora *should* articulate who the users are, basically
> design and express who and what Fedora is designed for. If you poll
> "users" - people who download Fedora - and cater to their stated desi
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:03, Jesse Keating wrote:
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> On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Jesse Keating wrote:
>>> The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something different
>>> than the fire hose we have now are silentl
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:30, seth vidal wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 12:22 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
>> The avalanche has already started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote.
>>
>> The changes towards a distribution that attracts people who live in
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 07:05, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 08/31/2010 11:26 AM, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>> Strongly free and tracking upstream is something developers would
>> appreciate, however bug fix only updates are often contrary to what
>> developers want and outlier users like myself.
>
>
There will be an outage starting at 2010-09-10 00:00:00 UTC, which
will last approximately 2 hours.
To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run:
date -d '2010-09-10 00:00:00 UTC'
BFO - http://boot.fedoraproject.org/
Bodhi - htt
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:41, John Reiser wrote:
> Executable program files built by gcc+glibc on Fedora 14 contain a PT_NOTE
> which says "for GNU/Linux 2.6.32". (For example, see "file /bin/date";
> the presence of a NOTE is indicated by "readelf --segments /bin/date",
> but readelf does not d
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 15:45, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
>>you want something better than stable for KDE you can one click
>>install the factory KDE repo. You can one click install the trunk repo
>>too. They even have two Chromium branches available for single click
>>install (version 6 and 7). Per
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 22:26, Brandon Lozza wrote:
> I can't tell people Fedora is the best if it's not carrying the latest
> upstream KDE, its just not possible. I'm constantly recruiting new
> users. I'm in regular contact with the team of people who run
> Techrights.
>
... lots cut out ...
Br
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 13:48, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> The Fedora web resources (e.g. http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora )
> continue to promote i686 installs over x86_64, the result being that
> only a third of fedora users are on x86_64.
>
> When will the Fedora project begin recommending x86_
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 15:12, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Stephen John Smoogen
> wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 13:48, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
>>> The Fedora web resources (e.g. http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora )
>>> continue
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 09:24, Brandon Lozza wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>>
> I'll refrain from replying further on until I have a reply from
> Richard, but you're totally wrong and your love for Firefox is
> blinding your principals (if you have any). You woul
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 08:48, Paul Wouters wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Oct 2010, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
>
>> It sounds like you do not fully understand how the yubikeys work. either that
>> or i dont understand the attack you are describing?
>
> It all comes down to this being based on symmetric crypto, no
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 19:58, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Peter Jones (pjo...@redhat.com) said:
>> Because we haven't decided to merge those together. That's really the only
>> reason - there's no over-arching technical reason they need to be separate.
>> It's entirely a historical consideration.
>
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 15:52, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> Somewhat OT, but not sure where else to ask. I'm looking into an issue where
> the nepomuk strigi service is preventing a desktop with an NFS mounted home
> directory from going into hibernate. I think this is because it continually
> check
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 16:26, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> On 10/20/2010 04:18 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 15:52, Orion Poplawski wrote:
>>> Somewhat OT, but not sure where else to ask. I'm looking into an issue
>>> where
>>>
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 19:11, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
wrote:
> Interesting move: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/551
>
> Has anyone looked into bringing Wayland to Fedora? If not this might be the
> right time getting involved in the discussion.
>
> http://wayland.freedesktop.org/
There is
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 02:43, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 01:36:43AM +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>> On 11/06/2010 12:21 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>> > On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 03:16:11PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>> >> Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) s
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 17:36, Vaclav Mocek wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have read some articles about the Cold Boot Attacks and I am
> wondering whether my Fedora box is protected against such kinds of
> attack, at least to some extent.
Ok there are several different "cold boot attacks". The one I th
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 11:54, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>
>> Please, I would like to read any answers here in fedoraproject mailing
>> list, because I talk about Fedora.
>
> systemd-logind is a systemd service, not a Fedora-specific service.
>
How about a more Fedora related one:
https://bugzil
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 14:20, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 21.08.2011 22:07, schrieb Jon Ciesla:
>> Ignoring the pace at which this discussion is approaching incivility, in
>> what way would bleeding-edge updates to systemd address any of the above?
>> For games, many would argue the pushing the l
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 13:37, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Tom Callaway (tcall...@redhat.com) said:
>> On 08/22/2011 01:29 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>> > I'm pretty sure that we kicked this up to FESCo and they decided to treat
>> > them the same (although the latter may not have come to a formal vo
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:44, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=719785 for the motivation
>
> The environment module system allows users to modify their environment in a
> predictable way, including setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH. However, this makes it
> possible
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 09:36, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-08-25 at 15:43 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>> > On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:13:48PM -0700, Garrett Holmstrom wrote:
>> >> Neither bodhi nor mash appears to consider sy
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:36, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 13:33:06 -0700,
> Jeremiah Summers wrote:
>>
>> Yes Literally I did, but as Adam just pointed out running Live just
>> dumps the squashfs image to the drive and slaps grud on it. I'm not
>
> It actually dumps the ext
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 09:47, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 08:23:56AM -0700, Jorge Gallegos wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:46:36PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> > On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 07:52 +0200, Remi wrote:
>> > > >From :
>> > > >https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 15:52, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>
> Real numbers before bald assertions please :-)
Sorry I thought this was devel@lists.fedoraproject.org where fact was
not needed and very much disdained :)
I realized I have jumped onto the hype train of javascript programming
where suppo
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 07:46, Reindl Harald wrote:
> the alpha was release and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SysVtoSystemd
> is at 0% - why will F16 released WITHOUT making the system clean which
> should have been done for F15
>
> How many releases will this dirty mix of systemd/sysvinit
In reading the long trash each other fest that accompanies pre-release
jitters, could we start on a cleaner plate? What do the people who are
using rawhide day-in/day-out expect out of the channel? What level of
pain does someone like Jonathan Corbet expect and how can we better
serve them? [And no
m not directly subscribed to devel, so this may not go through; if so,
Stephen, can you forward it on if it seems worthwhile? ]
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:57:34 -0600
Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> What do the people who are
> using rawhide day-in/day-out expect out of the channel? What level of
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 16:06, Jef Spaleta wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Kevin Kofler
> wrote:
>>
>> Jef Spaleta wrote:
>> > Kevin, were you able to reproduce my problem with the official adobe
>> > repository?
>>
>> To be honest, I haven't tried it, I've been busy enough filing t
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 16:42, Jef Spaleta wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Stephen John Smoogen
> wrote:
>>
>> What do you want me to do to try and test it more? Install some KDE items?
>>
>
> Remove the gnome DE stack entirely install the KDE s
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 21:55, Tom Lane wrote:
> Bruno Wolff III writes:
>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 01:08:56 +0300,
>> Kalev Lember wrote:
>>> With my proposal, Branched and rawhide would have exactly the same
>>> package set during the Alpha Freeze - Beta Freeze time frame. That way,
>>> we'd
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 06:47, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> I was hoping to be able to work on a forked version of chess and have it
> replace chess in Fedora, but I haven't had time to learn enough about
> ogre to do this, and chess is broken enough now that there is no point
> in including it any mo
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 13:43, Doug Ledford wrote:
> - Original Message -
>> Wow... just wow.
>>
>> -jef"please hold while koji asks you a series of questions concerning
>> multiple provider cascades to pre-populate the build environment for
>> your rawhide scratch build that you have just
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 14:31, Doug Ledford wrote:
> - Original Message -
>> The setup inside Red Hat cannot be (directly) copied outside at this
>> time. Instead the autoQA project was started to re-create it as an
>> open source project. That's where effort should continue.
>
> Am I ri
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 20:51, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 07:42:55PM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote:
> It may work. It may not. It may leave the system unbootable. You can't
> guarantee it, and you've been told that this is behaviour that you can't
> depend on. If you choose to d
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 09:47, Doug Ledford wrote:
> - Original Message -
>> Or Doug could take over grub if he is willing to fix the issues he
>> runs into. Or he could fork grub into maggot, use that for his needs.
>> If he is willing to support it and you are not.. that would move us
>>
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 05:28, Christoph Wickert
wrote:
> Am Sonntag, den 09.10.2011, 12:58 +0200 schrieb drago01:
>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Christoph Wickert
>> wrote:
>> > Am Sonntag, den 09.10.2011, 11:34 +0200 schrieb drago01:
>> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Christoph Wickert
On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 08:44, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 11:14:45AM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> How many multi-user systems run firefox from them? At the university
>
> We sure do.
Yes, but does it work, and how many developers use that? Do ev
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 02:51, Kay Sievers wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:46, Harald Hoyer wrote:
>> 4.6. /usr/lib : Libraries for programming and packages
>>
>> 4.6.1. Purpose
>>
>> /usr/lib includes object files and libraries. ^[22] On some systems, it
>> may also include internal binaries
On 4 November 2011 13:06, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 11:55:00 -0700
> Adam Williamson wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2011-11-04 at 11:53 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>>
>> > > I am concerned with the process as executed not matching the
>> > > documentation. I'd just like to see a change codified
Ugh. I put in the wrong date:
The outage will be 2011-03-25 1800 UTC and last 2 hours.
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 16:26, Stephen Smoogen wrote:
> There will be an outage starting at 2011-03-25 18:00 UTC, which will last
> approximately X hours.
>
> To convert UTC to your local time, take a look a
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:52, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> Does anyone have a means to contact Axel Thimm and confirm he's ok and
> if he wishes to maintain his packages in Fedora moving forward?
> (I've cc'ed him on this as well).
>
> The last commit I see from him was
> http://lists.fedo
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 14:41, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:52, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
> Who? I need help on them for the new mediawiki packages.
>
s/new/EPEL/
sorry about that. And sorry for not cropping list on a private email.
--
Stephen J Smooge
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 18:00, Kurt Seifried wrote:
>> Who? I need help on them for the new mediawiki packages.
>
> I'm more than willing to help, the mediawiki packages appear to have
> about a half dozen outstanding security bugs =(.
Ouch email me what ones and I will get cracking on them.
>>
There will be an outage starting at 2011-04-12 04:00 UTC, which will last
approximately 6 hours.
To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto
or run:
date -d ' 2011-04-12 04:00 UTC'
Reason for outage:
Serverbeach (our service provider
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:44, Matt Domsch wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 05:11:00PM +0100, Jonathan Underwood wrote:
>> On 7 April 2011 16:02, Matt Domsch wrote:
>> > Question is, is it valuable enough to the Project as a whole, that
>> > someone else should take it on now?
>>
>> Absolutely!
I
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:47, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> tim.laurid...@gmail.com wrote:
>> The hard part is to define what the package tools should do in the
>> different cases
>> A depsolver need to work with real requirements, so it need to be defined
>> in what cases that a soft requirement will be
2011/5/9 Michał Piotrowski
>
> 2011/5/10 Lennart Poettering :
> > On Mon, 09.05.11 23:54, Michał Piotrowski (mkkp...@gmail.com) wrote:
> >> No, only for /run/user/ - because there is a simple workaround that
> >> can be used on affected systems if the administrator considers his
> >> system as vul
2011/5/9 Miloslav Trmač :
> 2011/5/10 Stephen John Smoogen :
>> Let's make this simple:
>>
>> FAQ: How can I make my system unusable? How can I create a denial of service?
>>
>> Answer: On default systems there are multiple ways to do this, please
>> cho
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:35, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 09:28:02AM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
>> There is no reason not to put them in /usr/lib(64). That's where common
>> binaries such as firefox, java, etc already reside. They all have magic
>> env variables to define t
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 01:03, Petr Sabata wrote:
> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:59:27AM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:35, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 09:28:02AM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
>> >> There is no
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 09:36, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Petr Sabata (con...@redhat.com) said:
>> > >> There is no reason not to put them in /usr/lib(64). That's where common
>> > >> binaries such as firefox, java, etc already reside. They all have magic
>> > >> env variables to define their root f
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 03:33, Nicolas Mailhot
wrote:
>
>
> Le Lun 30 mai 2011 11:24, Petr Sabata a écrit :
>
>> That would indeed be better, I guess.
>> It's okay with both FHS 2.3 and our current Guidelines (or maybe I'm just
>> missing something), rpmlint complains about %{_bindir} subdirectory
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:44, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Josef Bacik said:
>> These sort of issues are my priority and I've spent the last 2 months
>> specifically working on the kvm performance differences between ext4
>> and btrfs. Now we're not on par with ext4 yet, but we aren't
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 18:37, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 02:00:57PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 08:01:06PM +1000, Chris Jones wrote:
> >
> > > I agree. As virtualization technology becomes more and more involved
> > > and frequent on users systems
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 21:13, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 06:37:19PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote:
>> Why are people choosing it over other solutions, and what can we change
>> in qemu/kvm to get users using that instead ?
>
> It works on Linux, OS X, Windows, and even Solaris. That
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 03:30, Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 13.06.2011 09:25, schrieb Michal Schmidt:
>> Stop the profanities and insults, or stop posting to this mailing
>> list.
>
> sorry but for a answer like below form Kevin Kofler i have no other
> words as "idiot", really! where is defined taht
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 16:59, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 18:37, Dave Jones wrote:
>> I'm curious why virtualbox has gained so much inertia so quickly.
>> Based solely on the number of kernel bug reports we get that seem to be
>> related
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:02, Casey Dahlin wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 01:05:08PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote:
>>
>> I think it fails on #1:
>>
>> > Makes it easy for users to focus on their current task and reduces
>> > distraction and interruption
>>
>> First, this point assumes that there i
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:34, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:16:46 -0600
> Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:02, Casey Dahlin
>> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 01:05:08PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote:
>
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 14:41, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi
>
> Seems like the abrt retrace server is not part of Fedora infrastructure
> yet and is constantly overloaded and I haven't had a single instance
> where it did what it is supposed to do yet. What is the status of this?
abrt retrace ser
I have been having problems with my Lenovo T61 and Rawhide. Currently
the system will do all kinds of watchdog resets when I am booting the
3.0 kernels but not with the 2.6.38 kernel. I am trying to figure out
how to best capture and debug them as they tend to scroll off the
screen faster than I ca
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 04:37, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Stephen John Smoogen
> wrote:
>> Does turning on kdump and installing debuginfo kernel stuff change
>> things in a way that a watchdog oops won't happen?
>
> I doubt the debuginfo pa
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:44, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 04:37, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Stephen John Smoogen
>> wrote:
>>> Does turning on kdump and installing debuginfo kernel stuff change
>>> things in
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On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> As part of no frozen rawhide, we'll have a new tree on the mirrors,
> pub/fedora/linux/development/13 That's where we'll be putting things
> that are tagged for the release after they get through testing. We
> don't yet have a clever name f
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 4:19 PM, David wrote:
> On 15 February 2010 11:19, Arthur G wrote:
>> rolling - as in the song - rolling, rolling, rolling, rawhide!
>
> +1
>
> giving 3 names for trees/branches:
>
> rawhide ---> rolling ---> release
>
> Reasons it appeals to me:
> 1) humorous reference to
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:36 AM, BJ Dierkes
wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I maintain Multi-Master Replication Manager for MySQL in both Fedora and
> EPEL. With changes from 2.0.11 -> 2.1.0 there was an incompatible change in
> that the daemon scripts were renamed:
>
> mmmd_agent -> mmm_agentd
> mmmd
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Jesse Keating wrote:
>> If you don't like rawhide for that use case, find another operating
>> system.
>
> Such as? We're filling a niche, this is one of our unique selling points,
> you want to throw out the baby with the bathwater!
>
>> I'm t
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Thomas Janssen wrote:
>> But that thread and the other monster thread are just wasted time
>> since it's already decided what will happen. And those people who
>> decided what will happen will have to live with it.
>>
>> Well, there you see how
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Seth Vidal wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Karel Zak wrote:
>
>> It's not (only) about Linus. It's about working environment and
>> strong focus on technical things.
>>
>> Please, read:
>> http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/ManagementStyle
>>
>>> Yes, we don't
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Jonathan Underwood
wrote:
> On 9 March 2010 21:54, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>> ===
>> #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2010-03-09)
>> ===
>>
>>
>> Meeting started by nirik at 20:00:01 UTC. The full logs are avail
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Till Maas wrote:
> Good news everyone,
>
> you can probably expect to receive more positive bodhi karma for your
> updates in the future (or you already got unexpected much), because
> there is now a script called 'fedora-easy-karma'[0], that makes
> providing feedb
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Jon Masters wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 17:30 -0500, Chris Ball wrote:
>
>> Now, there's a reasonable argument that says that Fedora users without
>> FAS accounts didn't vote for FESCo, so it's still legitimate to ask
>> *those* users what they think. The impos
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Peter Jones wrote:
> On 03/10/2010 02:16 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> On 03/10/2010 06:55 AM, Seth Vidal wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree, there was obviously a divisive and destructive aspect to that
>>> meeting.
>>>
>>> Jonathan, Do you have any thoughts on what we can do
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Robyn Bergeron
wrote:
>> That looks to be about 400 people need to randomly selected and
>> complete the survey (for +/- 5%). to get down to 1% you would need to
>> get 6500 people.
>
> I don't think that the near-impossibility of having a statistically
> sound s
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Till Maas wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 09:34:15AM -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
>> 1) Comments could allow for multi-line code. I tried to paste stuff in
>> and well skipped a couple of packages from the paste :)
>
> Do you have
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Till Maas wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 04:51:34PM -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
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>> The biggest query command I would like at the moment is something like:
>>
>> fedora-easy-karma --list # lists packages to be voted on.
>>
As has been noted by several people, the current voting method has
some short comings on what should be voted -1, 0, or +1. In order to
help clarify what to vote, and when here are some guidelines that
should be useful.
Vote Non-exhaustive Reasons for vote
===
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Matthew Woehlke
wrote:
> Jon Masters wrote:
>> On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 01:09 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>> Jesse Keating wrote:
Then in my opinion those users, and those maintainers who wish to cater
to those users, can go start their own project.
>>>
>>>
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:40 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 21:09 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
>> So for most users, when updating to updates-testing (or something
>> straight from bodhi/koji that has not been put in updates-testing) a 0
>> is
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> Here is where we have a definition problem. To me, unbaked stuff is
>> things that haven't had a good month of testing if its a large change
>> (a couple of days if its a small one)
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 21:43 -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
>> Neither can be done without an outside/neutral polling agency
>> contacting and getting responses from at least 600-3000 random Fedora
>> users.
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 09:09:16PM -0700, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> As has been noted by several people, the current voting method has
>> some short comings on what should be voted -1, 0, or +1. In order to
>>
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Peter Hutterer wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 09:14:48PM -0700, Orion Poplawski wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, March 13, 2010 4:58 pm, Peter Hutterer wrote:
>>> > Isn't there a mere RISK to lose 70-80% of our users if we do _not_
>>> > implement
>>
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
> Michael Schwendt wrote:
>> But that high-impact bugs in some Fedora Updates have slipped
>> through, because their package maintainers had been willing to take
>> the risk, and that has prompted some people to try to change that
>> part of
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-03-14 at 21:23 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>>
>> If we assumed that the people who had been registered in FAS for over
>> 6 months and had signed the CLA met the first two definitions, you
>> wo
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Seth Vidal wrote:
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>
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010, Peter Robinson wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Christoph Wickert
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why has Fedora become so fat in the F13 development cycle?
>>>
>>> * The LXDE Spin has grown from 464 MB to 509 MB [1
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