On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 07:21:54PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> Hi Matthew, you say: "We're missing people", and I think, "who?".
> And who are you going to miss if you move to discourse?
Again and again I have seen this "we're missing people" sentiment be
used to justify scrapping "old" workflows,
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 11:42:20AM +0200, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
> That's a slight exaggeration of course, but so is your statement. People
> come to Fedora via many ways. But I doubt any of it starts with e-mail
> nowadays. And the fact that you don't see newcomers _here_ actually proves
> the
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 08:24:14AM +0300, Benson Muite wrote:
> As such, simply adopting it because it can be deployed may leave out
> many contributors, in particular those who drive development forward.
I have made this point several times in other contexts; a new
tool/workflow has to yield ta
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 04:55:00PM +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
> I agree there's a huge lack of netiquette in Fedora's mailing lists,
> with wholesale quoting, top-posting, subjects not being updated, etc but
> changing mediums seems far more expensive than asking people to post
> emails that are
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 05:07:28PM +0200, Aleksandra Fedorova wrote:
> No, not really. I advised you to look into it, because you may actually get
> more from it personally, than you currently expect. I haven't proposed it to
> become a required Fedora activity, I gave you the unsolicited advice. W
On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 04:38:28PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
> There are a lot of questions left unanswered by this quick analysis,
> but there's a clear trend in fewer participants over time. In fact,
> last month had the second smallest participant count (tied with
> October 2022). Of course, thes
On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 02:59:22PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> That's certainly a choice one could make. Personally, I would not
> prioritize keeping my bespoke email setup intact over working with a
> community on a project I care about.
My "besoke email setup" benefits *me* and my productivity/
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 02:42:56PM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> And as I already answered, I think this is completely backwards. If you want
> to newly join a project, you learn their way to do things and adapt to it.
> If, on the other hand, you are already involved in a project and ha
On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 07:01:15AM -0400, Stephen Smoogen wrote:
> breaking mail altogether. My frustration and anger comes from the fact that
> I spent most of the last 5 years assuming that it was somebody else's
> problem and they would take care of it so I could focus on keeping other
> things
On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 10:47:15AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Our discourse instance is hosted for us by discourse.
> We shouldn't have to do maint on it, but we will have to do moderation,
> etc.
So... if maintaining discourse is too much overhead but it's okay to pay
someone else to handle, w
On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 10:27:49AM -0400, David Both wrote:
> I also spent about 4 days trying to get Dovecot to work with SendMail in
> a test VM setup. I'm either missing one or more important bits or its
> just too complex for me.
I've been running a dovecot + sendmail setup on Fedora for over
On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 01:41:18PM +, Leslie Satenstein via devel wrote:
> What should I do, if the person I gave the software to, removes my
> copyright, rebrands the software and sells my software as their own?
> Is it right? And when I release a bug fix, they take it, insert the
> fix int
On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 10:46:12AM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
> Red Hat Bugzilla has introduced a 12 month lifetimes for API keys. You
> must replace your API keys at least once a year. Additionally, any API
> key that is not used for 30 days will be suspended but can be
> re-enabled on the account's
On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 10:30:40AM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> dnf --releasever=38 --setopt=module_platform_id=platform:f38 \
> --enablerepo=updates-testing \
> $(rpm -q fedora-repos-modular >/dev/null && echo
> --enablerepo=updates-testing-modular) \
> --assumeno distro-sync
F36 snowflake ser
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 05:55:55AM +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Ah right, I had forgotten about that issue. I do not think I will ever
> understand the fascination some projects have for JIRA. It is proprietary,
> and IMHO the web UI for users to report bugs in JIRA is very confusing at
On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 11:03:53AM +, Tim Landscheidt wrote:
> But with that knowledge comes the ability to work for a va-
> riety of organizations who will spend many resources on
> nudging their users to behave in a way that is not necessar-
> ily in their best interests.
What does "a devel
On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 12:50:52PM +, Tim Landscheidt wrote:
> Developers might not want to work for a project any longer
> that engages in behaviour that is perceived as being at odds
> with why they chose to work for that project in the first
> place.
Well... yeah?
That sounds like a self
On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 11:25:12AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > If the system administrator wants to mount $UNCOMMONFS, they should be
> > able to do so without hassle, but that doesn't mean that a normal user
> > who got handed a sketchy USB stick at a conference should be able to do
> > so with n
On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 04:00:21PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> If I have a USB flash stick I plug in every day, it shouldn't ask me
> about that after the first time I use it.
Based on this "threat model" all an attacker has to do then is
snag/modify/replace your existing drive and then th
On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 04:51:38PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> You don't actually need to do any of this if you're using libguestfs,
> because the worst that can happen is the filesystem will pwn the
> kernel inside the KVM appliance (which is just a userspace process, so
> you can kill it).
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 09:45:13AM +0200, Ralf Corsépius wrote:
> It could be "my bubble", but for me, in all these fwupd is around, it has
> never, ever worked on any piece of HW for me.
Most of the stuff I have that is updated through fwupd are peripherals
[1] that are independent of the system
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 11:48:36AM +0300, Alexander Ploumistos wrote:
> That would require people volunteering to potentially brick their
> machines in order to test the updates. If something goes wrong, the
> equipment (and the knowledge) necessary to reprogram a chip is rather
> scarce. I'm afrai
On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 04:36:13PM +0200, Ralf Corsépius wrote:
> My (older) lenovo laptop and my HPE Micro-Server are obviously not.
The laptop is a T495 (introduced late 2019), but the workstation is an
older HP Z440 (introduced in late 2014!)
> This is the second time, somebody mentions Samsu
On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 08:22:42PM +0200, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> Do you want to make Fedora 39 better? Please spend 1 minute of your time and
> try to run:
I ran this on a bunch of my fleet, lots of problems, and they all seem
to be related to the Python 3.12 bump.
F38 Workstation #1:
Proble
On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 06:55:17PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> It's a lot of output, but not *so* many problems when you boil it down.
Yeah, it's ultimately another example (or four) of how Python is utterly
worthless as a "stable" application platform.
> I suppose we could just vendor async
On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 09:08:23PM -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> No, it's a demonstration of applications that aren't being properly
> maintained when they're still using functions that have been deprecated for
> 6 releases which is also that many years. Python core is very stable.
So... you're say
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 04:35:50AM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> +1, Fedora MUST NOT rely on proprietary infrastructure. IMHO, it is a
> mistake that Red Hat is doing so, and Fedora should not follow that
> unfortunate move.
Not to retread old drama, but doesn't Fedora now rely on a pro
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 07:58:03AM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> No? All of our packages are on https://src.fedoraproject.org/ and our
> Fedora-specific source code goes on https://pagure.io/. These are both
> Pagure, not GitLab. It is open source.
https://lwn.net/Articles/817426/
https://
On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 09:26:44AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> I think we need to figure out the way forward, but... I don't think we
> should do it here and now. Please go test f39. ;)
While I'm personally glad that the forced-onto-proprietary-gitlab
migration has effectively stalled indefinite
On Tue, Oct 03, 2023 at 08:50:53PM +0200, Leon Fauster via devel wrote:
> If a bumped version of a package fixes an issue (stream variant of
> CentOS) e.g 2.2, and a released package (rhel variant) has a
> backported fix for e.g. 2.1, that doesn't mean that the code is also
> in the stream git j
On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 02:18:54PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> gutenprint jpopelka jridky twaugh zdohnal
...FWIW as of a few minutes ago this should be resolved upstream.
- Solomon
--
Solomon Peachypizza at shaftnet dot org (email&xmpp)
On Fri, Dec 22, 2023 at 10:27:55PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> >> gutenprint jpopelka jridky twaugh zdohnal
> > ...FWIW as of a few minutes ago this should be resolved upstream.
>
> Thanks, I can confirm this fixes the issue for the Fedora package as
> well. Should I push this to raw
On Wed, Feb 07, 2024 at 01:21:15PM +0100, Peter Boy wrote:
> Unfortunately, some Fedora maintainers seem to take their cue from the
> missionaries and conquistadors of the 16th and 17th centuries and try
> fire and sword and coercion. A bad strategy in a free world.
Congratulations, you just con
On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 03:54:54PM +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> the smaller one and letterboxing the larger one as it should.) So this means
> 1. Wayland will never be suitable for my notebook, and 2. one of these days
> I am going to have to port Plasma Mobile to X11.
Or, uh, (3) Port
On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 08:11:49AM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> Do you want to make Fedora 40 better? Please spend 1 minute of your time and
> try to run:
From the Fedora systems I have immediate access to:
Well-used F39 Workstation:
Problem: problem with installed package blender-1:4.0.2-1.
On Wed, Apr 02, 2025 at 05:45:16PM +0200, Andreas Schneider wrote:
> I've then found PiperTTS [1] which is really great especially in combination
> with speech-dispatcher. For example Firefox has support for speech dispatcher
> and you can use the reader mode to let it read text to you which work
On Wed, Jun 25, 2025 at 11:54:29AM +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> I wish discussion.fp.o posts were more like this ...
...it's almost like the folks who prefer to use email versus web
forums may have different priorities from each other.
But make no mistake, killing off will effectively end Fed
On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 03:46:44PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > Question: How are said containers to be constructed (much less
> > maintained) when working within the Fedora/RHEL ecosystem?
>
> Thanks to Debian multi-arch it is possible to build cross envs for
> many archs, from any Linux
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 11:11:13AM +0200, Marius Schwarz wrote:
> I (can) confirm this trend with an experiment i did with "Eve Online"
> running under X11 and Wayland. The X11 session topped the Wayland session by
> round about 30 FPS running the game in unthrottled mode in the same empty
> part o
On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 07:43:06AM -, Jan Drögehoff wrote:
> These kind of benchmarks are worthless and cannot be reliably
> reproduced by anyone.
Here's a radical idea. Instead of going through all of that effort to
produce nonreproducible, useless results, they could install the
Phoronix
On Sun, Jul 06, 2025 at 05:53:15PM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> As you can see, X11 is faster and consumes fewer resources. (And that is
> with X11 compositing enabled. The author hints that X11 is even faster if
> you turn off compositing, but unfortunately does not share the
On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 08:50:48AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> Yes, I can understand the benefit of testing 64 vs 32 bit in general,
> as that's a frequent source of bugs in many apps still, alongside
> big endian vs little endian, which s390x gives coverage of.
>
> Would containers mitigat
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