Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-19 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/17/2010 07:41 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > The request to give the RAM some testing is not impolite. I absolutely agree---it is usually a simple test that people can run with minimal guidance, and it can possibly detect problems that would otherwise be very hard to diagnose (I personally ha

Re: FC12: Hidden files in /usr/bin/*

2010-01-22 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/22/2010 07:53 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 01/22/2010 01:22 PM, Tomas Mraz wrote: >> These are checksums required by FIPS-140-2 integrity verification checks >> of the fipscheck and ssh binaries. > > I.e. package data. > > => These packages are non-FHS compliant and qualify as broken. I

Re: FC12: Hidden files in /usr/bin/*

2010-01-22 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/22/2010 11:11 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> - in some circumstances (government, regulated companies) encryption >> must be certified to the FIPS 140-2 standard > > I don't know this "standard". Well, FIPS 140-2 is a requirement put out by US federal government that every piece of encry

Re: FC12: Hidden files in /usr/bin/*

2010-01-22 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/22/2010 05:30 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 03:06:24PM -0500, Peter Jones wrote: >> Well, the standard IIRC does want them to be separate, though again it's >> important to realize that this check isn't meant to protect against an >> attack, but rather to check against erro

Re: assigning of abrt crashes

2010-08-17 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 08/17/2010 01:11 PM, drago01 wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Colin Walters wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'd like to propose a general rule that ABRT crash logs should remain >> "assigned" to the actual application, unless an actual investigation >> has been done and there's a "reasonable" cert

Re: F-14 Branched report: 20100923 changes

2010-09-24 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 09/24/2010 12:43 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 02:44:34PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >>> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 07:01:16PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: Is it really necessary to include entire package c

Re: Getting more info about updates on headless server

2010-09-30 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 09/30/2010 05:45 PM, Richard Fearn wrote: > Hi, > > I have yum-updatesd installed on a headless Fedora server, so every so > often I get the email saying there are updates available. > > The email itself doesn't tell me much about the updates (e.g. for > iproute tonight it said it was a "bugfix"

Re: Getting more info about updates on headless server

2010-10-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/02/2010 06:50 AM, Richard Fearn wrote: > (Thanks to Przemek and Seth, too - but I want information about all > currently-available updates, not just a particular one.) rpmquery -qa --changelog returns a hash of all changelogs, so it is pretty useless. Perhaps I am not understanding what you

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-07 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/07/2010 08:36 AM, Brandon Lozza wrote: > On 10/6/10, Adam Williamson wrote: >> If we don't protect the Fedora trademark, anyone can produce anything >> and call it 'Fedora'. Including something which doesn't fit into our >> philosophy of freedom at all. > > What are you guys going to do if

Re: 'milkymist' group in comps?

2010-10-12 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/12/2010 02:23 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Chitlesh GOORAH (chitlesh.goo...@gmail.com) said: >> Milkymist community builds and enhance their own toolchain (currently >> not fully supported by Fedora). ... > OK, that's clear. But I am worried that if we go down this road, we'll > eventually ha

Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-13 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/13/2010 10:53 AM, Gilboa Davara wrote: > When installing Fedora on machine with -large- amount of drives (8-16), > I simply use a single sfdisk script to create the same partition table > on all drives. When dealing with smaller configurations (3-4 drives), > Anaconda is OK. (At least to me)

Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-14 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/13/2010 05:51 PM, Ralf Ertzinger wrote: > Hi. > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:26:18 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote > >> As you pointed out, different drives, can have more-or-less identical >> partition size, with different CHS in the partition table. > > I my experience the hard disk vendors have bee

Re: Mounting an encrypted volume presents the volume to all users on a machine

2010-10-26 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/25/2010 06:40 PM, nodata wrote: > On 26/10/10 00:31, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: >> On 10/25/2010 04:28 PM, nodata wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm concerned about the default behaviour of mounting encrypted volumes. >>> >>> The default behaviour is that a user must know and supply a passphrase >>>

Re: Mounting an encrypted volume presents the volume to all users on a machine

2010-10-26 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/26/2010 04:05 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:18:55 -0400, >Przemek Klosowski wrote: >> >> Such user-differentiated authorization is provided by the filesystem >> access rights, ACLs and SELinux attributes. Note that unlike the first &g

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 11/04/2010 01:05 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > My question would be 'why'? There seems to be an assumption that an open > bug report you can't fix is a serious problem; of course in a sense it > is, but then, it's not as if, if we remove or otherwise change abrt, > software is going to magically

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-05 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 11/04/2010 06:22 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > 2- ABRT should keep track of unresponsive users. If a user has an > outstanding "needinfo?" flag for the bugs sent through ABRT, he > shouldn't be able to send a new bug report through ABRT for my > packages. That's a little harsh---I have been in s

Re: How to read /proc/locks in safe mode?

2011-07-15 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/15/2011 05:26 AM, Dario Lesca wrote: > Il giorno mar, 12/07/2011 alle 14.13 +0200, Dario Lesca ha scritto: >> Hi, how to I can read in safe mode, from bash, the content >> of /proc/locks? >> >> On my system I have more than 7000/9000 line into /proc/locks and if I >> read it with awk (or cat

Re: Heads up: cpuspeed removed from f16+

2011-07-19 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/19/2011 11:07 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote: > On 07/19/2011 09:59 AM, Jaroslav Skarvada wrote: >> Sad that the daemon gone. It was able to dynamically switch speed >> (and save power) on systems that have CPUs with high transition >> latency (e.g. old P4, some Atoms, etc.). On such systems the > >

Re: systemd vice SysV/LSB init systems - what next ?

2011-07-19 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/19/2011 02:00 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > UNIX sysadmins know shell; so anyone can see what a shell script does, > and how it can be configured, even if it is not documented. Now tell > me what /lib/systemd/systemd-quotacheck is supposed to do and how it > is configured. I worked with shel

Re: systemd vice SysV/LSB init systems - what next ?

2011-07-19 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/19/2011 02:30 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > First the converted unit file > > [... 12 lines ...] > > Now the legacy sysv init script that everybody seem to love and cheerish > so much... > [...ton of lines ...] Be fair though---the sysv script does a lot of config: ports, etc. I a

Re: Adding ~/.local/bin to default PATH

2011-07-26 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/26/2011 12:49 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> PATH=$PATH:$HOME/.local/bin:$HOME/bin > > This was added between bash-4.2.10 -2 and -3: > > http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=bash.git;a=commitdiff;h=02b20d810111e8b53bb98ad49fedd1d583ce62e1 > > because of https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_

Re: RPM version goes backward in Rawhide

2011-07-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/28/2011 04:54 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 18:51:12 -0700, AW (Adam) wrote: > >> And how would we stop that? by...encouraging people not to use it as a >> dumping ground. What's the best way to achieve that? Try and change the >> perception of it as a dumping ground... >

Re: RPM version goes backward in Rawhide

2011-08-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 08/03/2011 10:14 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 03:53 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> We should instead focus on getting stuff out to stable faster. In >> particular, why not allow direct stable pushes (without any karma) for >> branched-but-unreleased versions? > > Could you

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-23 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 08/18/2011 06:29 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Unlikely. CUPS is not that slow. I mean, if the dialog takes a second or > so this would still be completely fine, but in real life CUPS starts > much faster. On my machine it is very hard to see any difference at all > if I run "lpq" on a shell

Re: GPT in Fedora 16

2011-08-26 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 08/25/2011 08:11 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > To boot to a GPT disk from BIOS (rather than EFI) you need a BIOS boot > partition. If you use one of the automatic partitioning methods, rather > than manual partitioning, F16's installer will create one for you. If > you choose manual partitioning

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 08/30/2011 09:02 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > It isn't why I use floppies under Linux, but my mother's very expensive > computerized embroidery machine uses floppies to transfer patterns. > There are still things in the real world that exclusively use floppy > disks, and they aren't going away as r

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 08/30/2011 03:18 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Przemek Klosowski > mailto:przemek.klosow...@nist.gov>> wrote: > > I feel your pain; a lot of perfectly good lab equipment has floppies > too, but whenever practical, I

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 08/30/2011 03:36 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Przemek Klosowski > mailto:przemek.klosow...@nist.gov>> wrote: > > > They connect to the floppy cable and look like a floppy drive. > > > Bah, I'd think you'

Re: floppy support

2011-08-30 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 08/30/2011 03:55 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > How many systems are there that "hang forever" when the floppy module is > loaded? I have never seen that happen, on systems with or without > floppy drives, yet you seem to be saying it happens on vast numbers of > them (99.9% in an earlier message).

[HEADS UP] Fedora OCaml link down

2011-08-31 Thread Przemek Klosowski
I was looking for stuff on your website and noticed that the Fedora OCaml project link is down: http://www.cocan.org/getting_started_with_ocaml_on_red_hat_and_fedora -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F-16 suspends my *desktop* after 30 minutes at the gdm , making it impossible to ssh in

2011-10-03 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/03/2011 05:37 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > 3. uses a high efficiency low-noise PSU, which does not like power ups > at all (in fact restarting the computer now takes a dozen tries, with > minutes waiting for caps to drain ; yes I could change the hardware but > it works fine under load and a

Re: Heads up: e2fsprogs-1.42-WIP-0702 pushed to rawhide

2011-10-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/03/2011 06:33 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: > On 10/3/11 5:13 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 03, 2011 at 04:11:28PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote: >>> testing something more real-world (20T ... 500T?) might still be >>> interesting. >> >> Here's my test script: >> >>qemu-img create -

Re: Subject: IMPORTANT: Mandatory password and ssh key change by 2011-11-30

2011-10-12 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/12/2011 01:41 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 12 October 2011 17:44, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> * Nine or more characters with lower and upper case letters, digits and >> punctuation marks. >> * Ten or more characters with lower and upper case letters and digits. >> * Twelve or more characters w

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-24 Thread Przemek Klosowski
>> === >> #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2011-10-24) >> === >>* Discussion about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove >> (t8m, 17:26:45) which, among other things, proposes that "/usr/sbin can be moved also to /usr/bin."

Re: UsrMove feature (was Re: FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24)

2011-10-25 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/25/2011 11:30 AM, Till Maas wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 01:45:45PM +0200, Christoph Trassl wrote: >> On 10/25/2011 09:33 AM, Michal Hlavinka wrote: >>> On 10/25/2011 09:30 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: On 10/25/2011 09:15 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > It's not only an aesthetic issue. Thi

Bug 750566 - qtparted won't install because it is from F15 and requires libparted.so.0, and F16 has libparted.so.1

2011-11-01 Thread Przemek Klosowski
I installed F16 RC2 Live, and tried to install qtparted. It won't install because the most recent qtparted RPM is from F15 and requires libparted.so.0, and F16 has libparted.so.1 pulled in by F16's parted. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=750566 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedo

Re: Bug 750566 - qtparted won't install because it is from F15 and requires libparted.so.0, and F16 has libparted.so.1

2011-11-02 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 11/02/2011 10:14 AM, Tom Callaway wrote: > On 11/01/2011 11:30 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: >> I installed F16 RC2 Live, and tried to install qtparted. >> It won't install because the most recent qtparted RPM is from F15 and >> requires libparted.so.0, and F16 has l

Re: Shared library permissions in Debian-land and Red Hat-land

2011-03-24 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 03/24/2011 03:28 AM, Ville Skyttä wrote: > On 03/24/2011 06:52 AM, John Reiser wrote: >>> they say on Debian and Ubuntu, >>> all shared libs have 0644 permissions. >> >> What they say is incorrect. >> >> I have Ubuntu 10.10 i686: >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1421892 2011-01-21 15:08 /lib/libc-2.1

Re: Shared library permissions in Debian-land and Red Hat-land

2011-03-24 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 03/24/2011 12:50 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> FWIW, on my F14 all the .so libs in /lib are executable, and all but >> three segfault (and trigger abrt) when executed. Besides the already >> mentioned libc-2.13.so and ld-2.13.so, only libpthread-2.13.so >> runs successfully to print a legal not

Re: Shared library permissions in Debian-land and Red Hat-land

2011-03-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 03/24/2011 02:49 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > On Thursday 24 March 2011, you wrote: >> Hmm, I thought there'd be a catch. What's executable permission needed >> for? Isn't that just reading/parsing? I can do some work but I am >> totally unfamiliar with this area. > > Files which aren't executable

Re: preupgrade f13 to f14 hangs on reboot

2011-04-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/03/2011 06:04 PM, Steve Clark wrote: > I am trying to use preupgrade a fedora 13 system to fedora 14. When I > reboot the system just > hangs. > > The hardware is a Jetway MB with an intel D510 cpu and 2 GB of memory > sata drive. > > All I see on reboot is a blinking cursor in the upper left

Re: AutoQA: distro congestion?

2011-04-20 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/20/2011 02:54 PM, Andre Robatino wrote: > (Sorry for the excessive pruning, have to make gmane happy.) Pardon me for pontificating, but your pruning was perfect. Too many posts technically use interleaved quoting, but render it useless by failing to trim the quoted material. The purpose o

Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 15 Beta!!

2011-04-26 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 04/26/2011 01:11 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Retiring the packages is evil in the first place, and IMHO we're making it > way too easy. Packages should only get retired if they are replaced by > something different with equivalent or superior functionality or if they > really cannot be made to wo

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-10 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/09/2011 07:44 PM, Chris Jones wrote: > Also, for those that may not be aware, Virtualbox can be installed in > just 2 commands in your Fedora system. Assuming you have wget installed. ... > ~$ su > wget > http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.0.8/VirtualBox-4.0-4.0.8_71778_fedora15-1.x

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/14/2011 06:36 AM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: > You go quite farther than that. > > "We can now boot a system shell-free". *Shell-free*. > > You are not saying "driving boot process by shell scripts is slow > because ... ... ..." (an argument I would agree with), you are > aiming at *eliminating* s

Re: Trusted Boot in Fedora

2011-06-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/23/2011 10:21 AM, JB wrote: > The Intel Trusted Platform consists of two components: > - Trusted Platform Module (TPM) chip >A hardware component, consisting of cryptographic processor and secure >memory. > - Trusted Boot >A software component, open-source and partially close-sou

Re: Trusted Boot in Fedora

2011-06-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/25/2011 04:13 AM, Camilo Mesias wrote: > On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: >> On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 22:21 +0200, nodata wrote: >>> 2. This seems like Trusted Computing, which got shot down in flames. >> >> Who shot it and why ? > > I don't know about Trusted Computing but th

Re: Calling autoconf in a spec.

2011-07-05 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/03/2011 11:36 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Kevin Kofler writes: > >> And in addition, I consider the concept of including generated files in >> what's supposed to be a source tarball to be broken by design. A source >> tarball is supposed to contain SOURCE code, not generated code. Anything >

Re: vsftpd in the news

2011-07-06 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/06/2011 03:19 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > If we include the whole show in the src.rpm, how does that add any safety? It doesn't make the system bulletproof, but it makes it a little harder to break, and, perhaps more importantly, adds accountability, i.e. helps to figure out at which p

Re: systemd: Is it wrong?

2011-07-11 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/10/2011 05:35 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 03:56:25PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote: >> This is a small, light-weight daemon, and doesn't need a configuration >> file parser. This is a valid way that Unix daemons have run for >> decades, and you are saying that should be

Re: Fwd: rpm packaging: package configuration

2011-07-13 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/13/2011 05:14 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 07/13/2011 10:57 AM, Olivier Sallou wrote: >> This can be managed manually, but it would be nicer to get this managed >> with packaging tools. > rpm-based systems' philosophy is to let users configure their systems > after package installations/upd

Re: Board efforts: scope, concept, and permission?

2010-02-03 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/02/2010 09:07 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >>> * A user who downloads any one of these products gets a different experience >>>than someone who downloads one of the others. >>> * Switching from one product to another is not an easy task of merely >>>installing one package group and rem

Re: Board efforts: scope, concept, and permission?

2010-02-03 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/03/2010 11:46 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 11:23 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote: >> I don't understand why 'Electronic Design Lab' is a separate spin: if I >> install all the EDA-related packages that it contains, would I not get >>

Re: Harmless KDE feature upgrades - yeah right

2010-03-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 03/04/2010 10:15 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> > In other words, SIG's current policy is doing more harm than good >> > for Fedora. > Not necessarily. There has also been some very positive feedback for the KDE > 4.4 updates, and some people are using Fedora BECAUSE such updates get > pushed. >

Re: Adventurous yet Safety-Minded

2010-03-11 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 03/10/2010 07:54 AM, Alexander Kahl wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 03/10/2010 01:06 PM, Steven I Usdansky wrote: >> Instead of worrying about the occasional brokenness caused by an update to a >> stable release, how about focusing on a mechanism to easily recove

Re: Akonadi's unix sockets location

2010-03-20 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 03/20/2010 07:48 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Secondly, as mentioned a unix socket is useless in the fs after the > program that listened on it exited, You mean in the context of a 'shared secret'-named sockets, right? In general. a socket /tmp/socket can just sit there and be reused by wha

Re: A question about locale files

2010-04-26 Thread Przemek Klosowski
Am 26.04.2010 17:46, schrieb Robin 'cheese' Lee: >> It installs following locale files: >>... >> /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.CP1251/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo >> ... >> There are some issues here: >> 1. Directories like /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.* are not provided by any >> package. This conflicts with guid

Re: printing

2011-11-14 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 11/14/2011 02:27 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: > Hi gang, > > I'm having a problem that I haven't had for years. With each upgrade > since maybe 2005 until Fedora 16, I have been able to install the xqx > driver for my HP P1005 with no problems; I just followed the directions > at http://foo2zjs.rk

Re: P2P Packaging/Koji Cloud

2011-12-07 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 12/07/2011 01:25 PM, seth vidal wrote: > If I were going to use random vm's I'd want to: > 1. connect using ssh > 2. push over my own rpm/python/etc binaries > 3. checksum all the rest of the installed (and running) software > 4. verify those checksums versus my known good set > 5. THEN push ov

Re: nss_db

2011-12-14 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 12/14/2011 08:44 AM, Jared K. Smith wrote: I appreciate your concerns, but unfortunately most of the glibc development decisions happen in the upstream glibc community, and we in Fedora don't always have a lot of pull when it comes to those sorts of decisions. That reminds me that you were

Re: nss_db

2011-12-16 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 12/14/2011 10:02 AM, Jared K. Smith wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: That reminds me that you were talking to the glibc upstream about their sometimes cavalier attitude to significant changes. How did that go? Did you get a sense that they understood where

Re: service version disclosure

2012-01-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/09/2012 09:08 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Mon, Jan 09, 2012 at 02:42:10AM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: no, maybe you should read AND try to understand This kind of behaviour isn't acceptable within the project. Treat your fellow community members with respect. You're expected to follow

Apologies, was Re: service version disclosure

2012-01-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/09/2012 12:03 PM, Ed Marshall wrote: No, I most certainly did not write the quoted statement. Sorry, you are right, you responded to that statement made by others. I apologize. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Package categorization and distribution construction

2012-01-19 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/19/2012 10:43 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I wrote a little graphical tool called rpmdepsize (it's in Fedora) which may be useful. Unfortunately it only works with a single package, eg: rpmdepsize kernel Interesting--but I tried it on my F15 box and it froze. I tried 'rpdepsize ke

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for F-17

2012-01-19 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/17/2012 09:54 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Tue, 2012-01-17 at 02:21 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: While that makes some sense, it was not my point. My point was that even if the package has NO maintainer, as long as it works, it's still better than no package at all! Not true. A package

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/24/2012 06:23 AM, mike cloaked wrote: Having looked at the way releasing packages and versions in linux has been moving in a number of distributions it is interesting that there are several that now have a rolling-release model. I have some systems that were upgraded across multiple Fedor

Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-30 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/28/2012 07:42 PM, Noah Hall wrote: Fuduntu Dev here. ... Fuduntu didn't start out as a rolling release. We had versions for a while, until we realised we were basically releasing newer snapshots of our current software with slightly different defaults. Having discussed it as a team, we d

Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-31 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/30/2012 07:55 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Przemek Klosowski wrote: To solve that, I'd be nice if there was a way to roll over an EOL version into an appropriate release of one of the long-term-supported systems such as RHEL, Centos or Scientific Linux. This is impossible due to ho

Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-01-31 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/31/2012 10:45 AM, Jos Vos wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:36:32AM -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote: The downgrades would actually be better than having an unsupported system that doesn't get any updates ever. The assumption here is that the downgrades aren't introducing any s

Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

2012-02-01 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/31/2012 04:27 PM, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: * Przemek Klosowski [31/01/2012 00:37] : To solve that, I'd be nice if there was a way to roll over an EOL version into an appropriate release of one of the long-term-supported systems such as RHEL, Centos or Scientific Linux. This would

Re: why is gurb-menu hidden as default?

2012-02-06 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/06/2012 11:58 AM, Peter Jones wrote: grubby, and something would have to provide a systemd service. Here's the basic algorithm: 1) kernel's %post/%posttrans adds the new stanza using new-kernel-package/ grubby, but doesn't make the new kernel default. 2) kernel's %post saves new ker

Re: /usrmove?

2012-02-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/08/2012 07:30 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.02.2012 01:23, schrieb Adam Williamson: The problem is that life is rarely so neat: you don't get an orderly succession of Big Scary Bugs popping up one at a time for you to shoot down. there are enough open bugs for the next ten years ... i

Fedora major feature introduction; was Re: /usrmove?

2012-02-10 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/09/2012 11:45 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Let me put it this way: I am having difficulties in recalling any Fedora release which worked for me out of the box ... ... That said, IMO, on the technical side, Fedora urgently needs a "calming down/lean back/settlement phase", say 2 consecutive

Re: rawhide/F17 broken dependencies: please stop spamming

2012-02-21 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/21/2012 06:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Do we really need a policy saying "Use common sense. In case of conflicts, this supersedes all other policies."? It's often hard to distinguish common sense from equally common nonsense. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://ad

Re: Issues with yum

2012-02-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/27/2012 07:04 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:44 AM, elison.ni...@gmail.com: I forgot to add: 8) Yum cannot use an iso image as a repo without mounting it. Yast in suse allows to directly use iso images as repos. You also forgot to add: 1) A proposed alternative 2) Patch

Re: phoronix benchmarks ext4 vs. btrfs

2012-03-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 03/09/2012 01:43 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 22:19 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: I'm not sure how useful 'time' is as a benchmark for file copies. Don't file transfers get cached and return to a console as 'complete' long before the data is ever written, sometimes? I'm pr

Re: does /etc/sysctl.d/ really obeyed and does really override /etc/sysctl.conf

2012-03-16 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: /etc/sysctl.conf is interpreted after /etc/sysctl.d is. The former hence overrides settings in the latter. and Muayyad AlSadi responded: > but this does not make sense > > the idea behind all .d is to allow packages to provide default

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-10 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 11/09/2010 01:12 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > > X will run as a Wayland client. That means all applications that support X > will be able to run remotely without change. Since QT and GTK both run on X > and virtually all apps out there are programmed to use QT and/or GTK for > most people

Re: Fixing the glibc adobe flash incompatibility

2010-11-19 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 11/19/2010 03:11 AM, Matej Cepl wrote: > Dne 18.11.2010 16:39, Magnus Glantz napsal(a): >> It's very important that Fedora doesn't rub upstream the wrong way, but >> (if it should come to that, or is already happening) is it worth having >> people change from Fedora to other distributions? > > P

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-22 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 11/20/2010 06:02 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > That's not what I'm talking about. There have been multiple instances > where updates have been pushed that were *completely broken*: they could > not work at all, in any fashion, for anyone. It doesn't happen a lot, > but it happens; enough to prov

Re: biosdevname hitting rawhide

2010-12-01 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 11/30/2010 05:24 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 04:22:54PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 04:18:10PM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >>> Many desktops have dual-NICs. I'm typing from an SMBIOS 2.6 ASUS desktop >>> motherboard with dual-NICs. >>> >>> Han

Re: issues with duplicate entries in /etc/mtab

2010-12-03 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 12/03/2010 07:46 AM, Matej Cepl wrote: > dmesg|grep mounts > > would tell you more. Could you explain in more detail? On my F14 it isn't very informative: dmesg | grep mounts dmesg | grep mount EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 12/09/2010 12:05 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 12:08 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: >> On 12/09/2010 09:59 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: >>> Just a wild idea - ABRT detects the dupes even locally so we can make >>> ABRT to allow reporting the bug to bz only if it happened

Re: About mtune=atom

2011-01-24 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/24/2011 12:25 PM, John Reiser wrote: > On 01/24/2011 07:43 AM, drago01 wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Sergio Belkin wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I've read on >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:RPMMacros#Build_flags_macros_and_variables >>> that mtune=atom. Just because I'm cu

interesting blog relevant to abrt/bugzilla discussions

2011-02-10 Thread Przemek Klosowski
Karl Vogel has an interesting discussion relevant to the bugzilla growth and management issues from the 'abrt' debate. The blog is titled "Bug Growth is Proportional to User Growth, and Bugs are not Technical Debt": http://www.rants.org/2010/01/10/bugs-users-and-tech-debt/ He makes a point that

Re: Plans for BTRFS in Fedora

2011-02-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 02/26/2011 05:33 PM, Lyos Gemini Norezel wrote: > This subvolume nonsense has no real place on any home computer/consumer > device. ... > Having more than 3 partitions on ANY system other than production > servers seems foolish at best. > > To have it as default on a modern operating system is

Re: Updating SSL keys on fedoraproject.org 2011-03-10

2011-03-11 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 03/11/2011 09:44 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > Cite? https://europa.eu/ uses SHA-1 on a cert issued in February 2010. > Of course, they also haven't disabled the weak SSL ciphers, so it's hard > to claim high security. On my systems all I get is a blank page saying: Access Denied (policy_denie

Re: ld error

2011-03-11 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 03/11/2011 10:58 AM, Alain Portal wrote: > Le vendredi 11 mars 2011 14:58:03, Stephen Gallagher a écrit : >> On 03/11/2011 08:12 AM, Alain Portal wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I trying to update kicad but the built fails with a ld error: >>> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2903979 >>

Re: Open Letter: Why I, Kevin Kofler, am not rerunning for FESCo

2010-05-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/03/2010 10:01 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 01:58 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >>> It was none of that. All it gave us was info we already had. Some users >>> would like more adventurous stuff, while some users would not. We already >>> had that information, the poll told

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-07 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/07/2010 08:48 AM, Matěj Cepl wrote: > Although I don't agree with many of them in a > lot of places, I strongly support Kevin's, Ralf's and others position > that the current development is very harmful to the development of > Fedora and I would love them to stay and defend this still nice p

Re: Quake3 security issue and non-responsive maintainer: Xavier Lamien

2010-05-11 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/11/2010 05:26 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Chen Lei wrote: >> It seems a lot of trivial packages in fedora are unmaintained for a long > > I dispute your claim that there are "a lot." > > Yes we are going to have things fall through the cracks. But I've > seen no

Re: Quake3 security issue and non-responsive maintainer: Xavier Lamien

2010-05-12 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/11/2010 07:30 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Przemek Klosowski > wrote: >> This probably means at least a rudimentary application testing rig >> and a discipline that identifies and deals with distressed packages. > > Does the ongoing

Re: Increase grub timeout

2010-05-17 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/15/2010 03:04 AM, Conrad Meyer wrote: > On Friday 14 May 2010 11:05:13 pm Chris Jones wrote: >> I was under the impression that a timeout is intentional/used only if >> another operating system is detected upon installation. ie. Windows. If no >> other operating system is detected, then there

Re: rawhide report: 20100517 changes

2010-05-24 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/22/2010 12:27 PM, Till Maas wrote: > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 05:40:45PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >>> Unfortunately I couldn't find a really good way to differentiate >>> between Debian from Ubuntu without using 'lsb_release -i'. >> >> /etc/issue contains that in

Re: systemd (Was Re: tmpfs for strategic directories)

2010-05-26 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 05/26/2010 12:07 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> It is not like you want to edit the scripts all the time, so there is >> no reason for them being scripts. > > I beg to differ. I've had to create or modify initscripts quite often, > either as a sysadmin or a packager. If this is now going to requ

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-02 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/02/2010 04:02 PM, Jon Masters wrote: > That said, of course eventually you could have two of these images and > allow for them to be upgraded, etc. etc. To start with though, I think > there's a lot of value in pre-committing a couple hundred MB of disk > space to having a rescue environment

Re: New gnome-color-manager release in rawhide

2010-06-03 Thread Przemek Klosowski
gcm-prefs SIGSEGVs for me. My system is dual-monitor DELL F12 freshly upgraded to f13, with gnome-color-management installed after upgrade https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=599543 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailm

Re: suggestion: rescue boot extension

2010-06-03 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/03/2010 11:49 AM, Chris Lumens wrote: >> Rescue environment aside, it'd be nice to avoid failing the upgrade >> because of insufficient space in /boot. I think 200 MB default /boot >> prove to be too small---perhaps 500 MB should be the new default? > > Of course, it already is: > > http://gi

Re: bodhi statistics

2010-06-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/09/2010 01:18 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > If the packages have good quality, that means more testing is NOT > needed, no matter what the actual amount of testing was. Apart from the Bodhi issue, I disagree with the logic of your statement. Quality doesn't exist (or at least is not provable) i

Re: move libusb from /usr/lib to /lib

2010-06-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/25/2010 09:23 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: > computer while its on. The process looks something like: - nut signals the UPS to shut down in x seconds (default 120) - nut halts the machine - after x seconds the UPS shuts down > > Ideally your UPS is smart enough to sense when

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