Re: Pulseaudio update issue... [ UPDATE 2 ]

2010-01-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
illa and fedora pulseaudio bugzilla. I've not seen any activity trying to fix this bug. Is this a case were everyone is waiting for someone else to investigate ? -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: RFC: gtk v4l2 (webcam) control panel app + applet

2010-01-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
are a bit different : switch source (tuner channel...) set aspect (4/3, 16/9, etc) People tend to thing v4l = webcams but webcams are just one v4l hardware -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: RFC: gtk v4l2 (webcam) control panel app + applet

2010-01-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 12 janvier 2010 14:25, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : > > Le Mar 12 janvier 2010 12:39, Hans de Goede a écrit : > >> Which remembered me that it would be nice to have a gtk app for >> controlling webcam settings like brightness, contrast, etc. > > It would be nice if

Re: RFC: gtk v4l2 (webcam) control panel app + applet

2010-01-15 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
set of controls. Well, I'm not talking about hardware specific controls, just the generic ones the v4l CLI tool already supports. That should be enough for many people -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: RFC: gtk v4l2 (webcam) control panel app + applet

2010-01-15 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 15 janvier 2010 11:20, Hans de Goede a écrit : > On 01/12/2010 02:26 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> Also how will it interact with the new gnome colorimetry applet ? >> > > I'm not aware of that applet, do you have a link with more info about it ? I'm ta

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-17 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
and could not reproduce it with debuginfo later. -- Nicolas Mailhot signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-17 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
x27;s very human to shoot the messenger but packagers & developpers should resist the urge to make tester life miserable to punish them from reporting inconvenient problems. -- Nicolas Mailhot signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Reordering in package changelogs (was Re: rawhide report: 20100129 changes)

2010-02-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
>> dict wasn't copied at all). This is one reason I prefer to use the following changelog style * Thu Jan 28 2010 Michael Schwendt - 2.2-10 - Fix tuple_copy() further (it was completely broken as the mowgli dict wasn't copied at all). - 2.2-9 - Let set_tuple_cb() work on a copie

Re: Reordering in package changelogs (was Re: rawhide report: 20100129 changes)

2010-02-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le lundi 01 février 2010 à 19:47 +0100, Kevin Kofler a écrit : > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > This is one reason I prefer to use the following changelog style > > > > * Thu Jan 28 2010 Michael Schwendt <> > > - 2.2-10 > > - Fix tuple_copy() further

Re: Reordering in package changelogs (was Re: rawhide report: 20100129 changes)

2010-02-02 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 1 février 2010 22:05, Kevin Kofler a écrit : > > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> Sure it is, it's changelog style #3 of >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#Changelogs > > No, it's not style #3. It's 2 or more style #3 entries collapsed in

Re: Reordering in package changelogs (was Re: rawhide report: 20100129 changes)

2010-02-02 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mar 2 février 2010 11:35, Kevin Kofler a écrit : > > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> That is your interpretation. I see nothing on this page to support this >> claim. And actually it is contrary to format #3 logic, since its main >> difference with other changelog formats is

Re: Would you use a programming language with missing features?

2010-02-02 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
nges) so toolkit authors should not hide behind harfbuzz creation. Harfbuzz is just a re-factorization of what's been in pango & qt all along. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora 14 Alpha RC Compose is At Risk

2010-08-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
lease Candidate until this Fedora > 14 Alpha Blocker is clear. Are we really going to push an alpha with no working flash support? http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=1897 Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin

Re: WebKit(s) SIG

2010-08-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
is pretty informal, the formal Fedora organisation unit is the sub-project (Art, I18n, etc) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Adding user for aajohan-comfortaa-fonts repository

2010-08-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
it? You need to add it as CC in your initial "CVS" request. If you forgot to do so, contact the person who processed this CVS request, apologize for the inconvenience, and ask them to fix it. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
lem problem reports the same way as any "stable" bug. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: "Staying close to upstream"

2010-08-13 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ut it's the only way to go forward. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [Test-Announce] Call for testing: F14 Alpha RC3/RC4 with Radeon graphics adapters

2010-08-13 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
heck() usage. ] > --- > kernel/sched.c:616 invoked rcu_dereference_check() without protection! https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16546 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=622149 -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: yum appmarket

2010-08-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
), and fonts are not apps by any definition. ”It has a .desktop file” barely scratches user needs. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: yum appmarket

2010-08-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le jeudi 19 août 2010 à 18:03 -0400, seth vidal a écrit : > On Thu, 2010-08-19 at 23:46 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > 3. you want a preview of the fonts - then we need that data somewhere - > is it in each font pkg? It would be (generating a svg or png with some font shapes at pack

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-09-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
g term goals are, but that does not mean it is sane to pursue the long term goals without making sure current users are satisfied. And some of those users have good long-term suggestions too. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: font dependency packaging question

2010-09-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
to require anything at all (you could require font(courier) if you had a specific stylistic requirement in the app, but most of the times that's counter-productive in a fontconfig context) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd acceptance, packaging guidelines (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-09-05 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
the F15 devel cycle (which is already open) or services will need to be patched with band-aid and sticky take at F15 alpha time. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
f it were adopted by other distros) And BTW a request at the time was to extend it with font previews to get a "font store" (because for fonts, gfx preview is really relevant and not eye candy) and it never happened :( -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedo

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mardi 07 septembre 2010 à 18:20 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : > Le mardi 07 septembre 2010 à 09:51 -0400, Matthias Clasen a écrit : > > > It gets us translations that we would not otherwise have, and it gets us > > integration in the rest of the desktop, like autom

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-08 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
re diverse, there is a high chance you'll have to scale the preview sooner or later and for that a vector format like svg is more respectful of font shapes (grid-fitting & hinting matter at small sizes but font previews are usually done with big text) --- I hope this seems sane from Richard&#x

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-08 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
's not really necessary at this point. Having a decent user-friendly "font store" is a lower hanging fruit with a lot more ROI (we've already built most of the infra, the gfx previewing is the main part that stops users from making good use of it) Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-08 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
as soon as GNOME, KDE or OO.o fixes its implementation, the others will suddenly find the time to fix theirs. Right now they seem to consider it's ok to suck as long as the others suck equally. I'd love to see progress there too, but it is a different problem than the "font store"

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-08 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 08 septembre 2010 à 21:35 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : > so by combining code from both it should be possible to create a small > utility that takes as argument a font file and a locale and generates a > svg (or svgz) containing the pangram text for this locale with the

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-09 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
kaging changes through FPC & other font packagers if there is no buy-in packagekit-side to make use of them. Unlike application desktop files, font preview has a single consumer, packagekit, so it's totally wasted work if the packagekit side is missing. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- d

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-09 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 9 septembre 2010 12:03, Richard Hughes a écrit : > > On 9 September 2010 09:52, Nicolas Mailhot > wrote: >> It needs works both packagekit-side and font packaging side, but there is >> absolutely no way I'm going to expand energy on pushing the packaging >>

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-09 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
font file downloaded by the browser in the background, in other words it is as resource intensive as just installing the font package and playing with the font locally. The only thing this kind of preview buys you is automatic font de-installation when you close the browser. -- Nicolas Mailhot

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-09 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 9 septembre 2010 14:29, Alex Hudson a écrit : > On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 13:49 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> Le Jeu 9 septembre 2010 12:24, Alex Hudson a écrit : >> > What you really want is a font store which has functionality like this: >> > >> >

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-09 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 9 septembre 2010 15:32, Alex Hudson a écrit : > On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 15:05 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> Le Jeu 9 septembre 2010 14:29, Alex Hudson a écrit : >> > .TTF fonts (as an example) just aren't very big. I tried a sample font >> > in my .fonts di

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ould like to thank all the other Fedora packagers that kept quiet and tried to give systemd its chance. Because systemd has mobilized a lot of testing energy early in F14 cycle, and cannibalized resources other components could have reasonably expected to have a bigger share of. Thanks all for you

Re: Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

2010-09-15 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
know in most countries actual laws are passed by whoever is present in Parliament (baring very specific exceptions). If there are few people it's not a problem, it just shows the issue is either not very important, or the consensus has already been achieved. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: koji client does not work through proxy

2010-09-16 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
[0:0] -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE -A OUTPUT -m owner ! --gid-owner apache ! -p tcp --dport http -j REDIRECT --to-port 8081 (here the proxy which use is forced is local mod_proxy ran by apache, adapt to your situation) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Linux and application installing

2010-09-18 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Icky. > > We should simply add a rule of at most one app per package. Yes, this > means you, gnome-games. This is essentially what was done in fonts packaging guidelines four releases ago. And why the packages that do respect those guidelines could be presented in a font store today (exce

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
e branching point (I'm missing the *stable* GNOME experience I had in rawhide). The desktop team usually handles alpha/beta well, but this time they've overshot imho. -- Nicolas Mailhot signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@li

Re: Fedora "backports" repo? (Was Re: PostgreSQL 9 for F14?)

2010-09-23 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
r apps it's not my problem" (netscape projects like mozilla, firefox & nss are a case in point: they are pathologically unable to provide updates that work well with the rest of the ecosystem. It only works on windows because there the rest of the ecosystem is so foreign it shares nothin

Re: Another bug that would have been caught if packages went through a boot/acceptance test

2010-09-29 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ve. The same kind of bug happened a year ago in rawhide (I used the instructions in that older bug to un-brick my system). Reboot after prelinking test definitely needs to be added to glibc QA. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed mes

Re: Is this (broken keyboard layouts) a Fedora 14 Blocker bug?!

2010-10-01 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
w_bug.cgi?id=638244 > [2] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30548 > [3] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30549 I suppose [4] is the same https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=617959 -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedor

Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice

2010-10-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
riod. That's not an acceptable failure rate for something like the installer everyone has to use at a time. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: rawhide report: 20101019 changes

2010-10-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
when you have simple backup procedures for the base system that explode if you accidentally scope Oracle/SAP/IBM bloatware. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: who broke fedoraproject.org usability?

2010-10-28 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
t;Contributors" (it is behind the div #site-content). I have to decrease the > font sizes to see it. Yes, bigger default fonts + more verbose language = breakage The new page is nice but it has reflow problems -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
needed EPEL side. Expensive apps like SAP still make you install the specific JVM they've been qualified against. Please do not add Fedora/RHEL fragmentation to the ongoing Fedora/JPackage fragmentation. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.f

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 21:32 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit : > On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 19:27 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit : > > > 3) In my opinion, the whole alternatives setup in the JRE and SDK > > >

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 22:28 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit : > On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 21:32 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit : > > > On Wednesday 03 November 2010, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > > Le mer

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 14:35 -0700, Jesse Keating a écrit : > On 11/3/10 2:14 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > And it's unreasonable to expect those ISVs to change when Fedora has not > > managed to package a working JBoss. If the Red Hat Java packaging can > > not

Re: Changes in Java packaging guidelines - RFC

2010-11-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 23:54 +0200, Alexander Kurtakov a écrit : > > On 11/3/10 2:14 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > And it's unreasonable to expect those ISVs to change when Fedora has not > > > managed to package a working JBoss. If the Red Hat Java packagi

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-04 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
to download the gigs of kernel debuginfo of the day), so if when people say here abrt is "too easy" and abrt reporters "do not make efforts" I cant only be ROTFL (or crying, more accurately) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-04 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
k at adding this option upstream. > > - ok, great! Please either use the same directory name as the one the jvm is installed under /usr/lib/jvm/, or choose a directory name all jvms can share. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
o bad this is becoming ridiculous (another example being X has no notion of language, just layouts, so there's no way for apps to know the language being typed and auto-select the correct spellchecker) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admi

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
uot;x12". It's a synonym for "we really need to do this, but it's not possible in x11, so > /dev/null" -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le samedi 06 novembre 2010 à 16:41 +, Richard W.M. Jones a écrit : > On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 04:52:02PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le samedi 06 novembre 2010 à 14:21 +, Richard W.M. Jones a écrit : > > > > > > Why throw away everything just

Re: on /etc/sysconfig

2011-07-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
dump those ugly things, they offend me". Could you please spend some time designing and documenting what should replace them first? Or are we going to revive the unit files mess, where old LSB init scripts were broken before the documentation to write unit files was published?

Re: Heads up: cpuspeed removed from f16+

2011-07-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ld deployments of cpufreq can be garbage-collected ? (yes most people will not need it, but is it not better to have something current installed rather than cpufreq living on forever? I'm thinking of eternal yum-updated systems here) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.f

Re: systemd vice SysV/LSB init systems - what next ?

2011-07-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ot;legacy" stuff before replacing all that's already been removed. That may be the best path technically but from a communication POW it's a disaster. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd vice SysV/LSB init systems - what next ?

2011-07-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
h you *do* need multi-instanciation) and your unit file does not support this use case at all? -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd vice SysV/LSB init systems - what next ?

2011-07-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
; All this code is here just to instanciate the service and do the related housekeeping. It does not belong in a separate script any more or less than the rest of the sysv stuff. That example just shows the sysv setup was flexible enough to handle complex multi-instanciated setups

Re: systemd vice SysV/LSB init systems - what next ?

2011-07-19 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
worked for me. To be honest while I know many users want this feature I never used it myself. JPackage's/Fedora's cvs/svn may show who coded all those parts and I'm quite sure it worked at least in his use-cases or it would not have been commited. It's not as if one can be

Re: systemd vice SysV/LSB init systems - what next ?

2011-07-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 20 juillet 2011 01:12, Jeff Spaleta a écrit : > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Nicolas Mailhot > wrote: >> All this code is here just to instanciate the service and do the related >> housekeeping. It does not belong in a separate script any more or less >> t

Re: systemd vice SysV/LSB init systems - what next ?

2011-07-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
the init file' was scaling for his use. After all, 'copy and change things' could have been done with the sysv script too, without writing complex shell helpers. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: User-level instance of /bin in PATH

2011-07-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
verriding an (audited) system command with a user-level command (even appending is IMHO borderline dangerous till the usual infection/attack vectors, MUAs & browsers have not been taught to triple-check and flag anything going there) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedo

Re: Adding ~/.local/bin to default PATH

2011-07-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ance to define some /home conventions, the next FHS spec is going to say so, and since in Fedora we follow the FHS, your best change is to work out the kinks xdg-side now ⇒ UPSTREAM first Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: XDG and default directories (Re: Adding ~/.local/bin to default PATH)

2011-07-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 à 12:26 +0200, Stijn Hoop a écrit : > Hi, > > aside from the merits of adding ~/.local/bin, I just wanted to point > out: > > On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:19:51 +0200 > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > It's all been done to make nautilus happy wit

Re: Adding ~/.local/bin to default PATH

2011-07-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 à 11:23 +0100, Andrew Haley a écrit : > On 27/07/11 11:19, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > Really, this discussion is pointless. It should be taken to whoever > > maintains the xdg directory layout specs nowadays (even the FHS editors > > gave

Re: Adding ~/.local/bin to default PATH

2011-07-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 à 12:54 +0100, Andrew Haley a écrit : > On 07/27/2011 11:45 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011 à 11:23 +0100, Andrew Haley a écrit : > >> On 27/07/11 11:19, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > >> > >>> Really, thi

Re: User-level instance of /bin in PATH

2011-07-27 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
> protect startup shell script) And I'm sure selinux people would love to secure $home except they can only do it if its layout is fixed is stone. Which requires conventions (like xdg) with no variability (unlike xdg) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedora

Re: question regarding Fedora packaging

2011-08-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Even though Jpackage is a much smaller project than Fedora it includes a lot more Java packages so it's coverage of Java packages interactions will tend to be better than the Fedora one. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: question regarding Fedora packaging

2011-08-23 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
oblems that come back with a vengeance later. Good pieces of work are used both sides of the fence without complains; only incomplete pieces try to pretend they belong to one side only. So let's just be all friends and work together. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lis

Re: What do rawhide testers want and expect?

2011-09-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
crashes too much I spend all my time repairing it which means I have no time left for my other Fedora activities. After a while I don't have the energy to check if it's still broken I just procastinate and push tasks to the next week. It's easy to get into the habit of not caring w

Re: Looking for dnssec-triggerd alpha testers!

2011-09-18 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
lacky making the whole network access unreliable) Could the well-integrated caching dns option be considered as well, given we live in an unperfect world ? -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Responsibility for rebuilding dependent components, was: F-16 Branched report: 20110920 changes

2011-09-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
the barriers put in place to try to bring some order to the release. Now of course that supposes rawhide is kept in dogfoodable state and people don't let problems fester there because 'it eats babies, so who cares' -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedor

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-09-30 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
be graceful? There's nothing to do apart from waiting for enough complains to pile up the people in charge get past their reality denial phase. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F-16 suspends my *desktop* after 30 minutes at the gdm , making it impossible to ssh in

2011-10-03 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
g on login when I don't have the time to investigate it. So anyway you look at it, this change is a bloody nuisance As many real-life setups it is much more complex that paper desktop abstractions. -- Nicolas Mailhot Une messagerie gratuite, garantie à vie et des services en plus, ça vous

Re: F-16 suspends my *desktop* after 30 minutes at the gdm , making it impossible to ssh in

2011-10-04 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
erfectly fine under load, so I don't see the point of changing it prematurely. It just does not like shutdowns -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: GNOME 3 - font point sizes now scaled?

2011-10-04 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
en systems with good edid. This is not user-friendly at all. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ither), create an extended desktop with both screens and try to set a satisfying font size. I defy you to find a setting that won't look way too small or way too big on one of the screens. And it won't matter if the user likes small or big fonts. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
with the elements which have been available in vector formats since last millenium? You have to start somewhere. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
t pixel densities *today* is not a good idea at all. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
e inconsistencies in font handling between GNOME and everyone else. ¹ Which BTW is not the general case, most EDIDs are fine and have been for years ² Which I support (and indeed have packaged argyll for Fedora in the past) but it is hardly simple -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 6 octobre 2011 15:37, Matthew Garrett a écrit : > On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 01:13:21PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >> Le Mer 5 octobre 2011 23:35, Matthew Garrett a écrit : >> >> > This... works badly. Really. Open gimp and add some text. Now double the &

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
se*. How does it make it worse? The heuristic does not solve the complicated case *at all*. How does removing it could possibly make it worse? -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le jeudi 06 octobre 2011 à 16:41 +0100, Matthew Garrett a écrit : > On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 05:33:48PM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > > Le Jeu 6 octobre 2011 17:18, Matthew Garrett a écrit : > > > The heuristic isn't the problem. The problem is that we have no &g

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
the result, does not matter if you don't stick to a common non local baseline things will drift) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd - standard place to run stuff after the network is up?

2011-10-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
thing from wifi to cable and back when ethernet is plugged/unplugged) -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd - standard place to run stuff after the network is up?

2011-10-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le jeudi 20 octobre 2011 à 12:27 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit : > On Thu, 2011-10-20 at 21:22 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le jeudi 20 octobre 2011 à 13:08 -0500, Dan Williams a écrit : > > > > > If you architect a system that accounts for networking changing sta

Re: systemd - standard place to run stuff after the network is up?

2011-10-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le jeudi 20 octobre 2011 à 11:59 -0800, Jef Spaleta a écrit : > On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Nicolas Mailhot > wrote: > > No, it's an attempt to explain a general concept and not to point the > > finger at anyone. Because as soon as you provide specifics, someone will

Re: systemd - standard place to run stuff after the network is up?

2011-10-20 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
imulated with apps of the second kind, connected to permanent local or virtual networks, dynamically routed to actual external networks via dispatcher.d, but at this point that gets too hairy for my tastes -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: What's this /run directory doing on my system and where does it come from?

2011-03-30 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
ch Lennart for continuing the filesystem cleanup the FHS initated but stopped doing years ago. Please make the effort to get the changes published in a new FHS revision. It does not matter for hardcore ditribution people, but it matters a lot for app people and ISVs. Regards

Re: What's this /run directory doing on my system and where does it come from?

2011-03-30 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
directory definitions which have finally been deprecated those past years, and resolve /var/opt vs /srv differences) Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F15 - mysql start problem

2011-05-09 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
esolve something (typically, hostname for logs), and fail At least, that's one common error case I know of -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Is Rawhide supposed to be useful?

2011-05-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
7;s running the F16 dumping ground? Not nobody. Just very patient people -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: informations about boot sequence (Re: F15 - mysql start problem)

2011-05-11 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
e chkconfig numbering takes care of that. > Are you saying that systemd no longer honors the chkconfig ordering? not really, when there are mixed sysV and systemd services > Yes, mysql and postgresql are both certainly broken by this. Please > send the info, I'll take care of those tw

Re: Font fallback for non-latin unicode chars

2011-05-13 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
cement of the font selected in the interface. Though dejavu includes some Armenian support IIRC, and that's probably the font you're seing. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Font fallback for non-latin unicode chars

2011-05-13 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 13 mai 2011 15:43, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : > > Le Jeu 12 mai 2011 23:17, Martin Langhoff a écrit : > >> Is there a way to query (or see a log) that describes what font has >> been used? Or a means to query what fonts supply unicode codepoint N? > > Right click

Re: 9base in Fedora?

2011-05-23 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
o need to ask for an exception against “Large software packages must not use a direct subdirectory under the /usr hierarchy.” -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: 9base in Fedora?

2011-05-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Lun 23 mai 2011 17:55, Matthew Miller a écrit : > On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 09:54:48AM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> 1. install libraries (and binaries? see 3.) in /usr/lib(64) >> > Large software packages must not use a direct subdirectory under >> >

Re: 9base in Fedora?

2011-05-26 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
the beginning. -- Nicolas Mailhot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

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