Re: FC12: Hidden files in /usr/bin/*

2010-01-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Tomas Mraz wrote: > No, it does not prevent malicious attacker from subverting the > executable. The integrity check prevents just inadvertent modification > of the executables/libraries which contain the certified code. Like prelink? ;-) m -- martin.langh...

Re: FC12: Hidden files in /usr/bin/*

2010-01-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > The separate /lib directory tree seems the way to go, to me.  That way /usr/share instead of /lib seems more appropriate - m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get

Re: The move to git!

2010-08-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Matt McCutchen wrote: > don't want malware landing on my machine because someone did a MITM > attack on a Fedora maintainer's unencrypted "git fetch" and inserted > some extra patches to get pushed back to the real repository later. The git protocol makes it extre

Re: BTRFS: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

2011-07-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 4:50 AM, JB wrote: > I have difficulty swallowing the fact that there are so many Red Hat, Oracle, > and other famous technology names involved (officially or dev's private > contributions) in development of BTRFS, and at the same time they practice > such loosely approach

Re: BTRFS: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

2011-07-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 5:10 AM, JB wrote: > Well, then you have to read the thread more carefully before you bark back - > right in the first OP's post you have references, e.g. > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/6/18/144 Heh - now that you provide links it's better... anyway, that's a completely hi

Re: on /etc/sysconfig

2011-07-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > Well, if they didn't need fixed before, they'll certainly need fixed > when you make them start keeping their configuration info someplace else Yeah -- daemons that can be configured with commandline options or envvars are Just Fine. If those op

Re: abiword

2011-08-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Johannes Lips wrote: > Done. > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=727646 > > Hope someone is reviewing it in a short while. thanks! Abiword (actually libabiword) is an important part of the OLPC & Sugar desktop environment. cheers, m --  martin.langh.

Re: Fedora 15 ARM hardfp Virtual FAD (Fedora Activity Day) - TODAY

2011-08-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Niels de Vos wrote: > The builder I've enabled runs on the new OLPC within a chroot and that seems > to work very well. I'm not sure if the kernel is a hfp one, but I don't > think that was a requirement. Excellent! The kernels we provide atm are not hfp afaik --

Re: Notice of intent: patching glibc

2011-09-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:27 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote: > As more projects become git based over time, the preferred form for code > development might actually be a bisectable git checkout +100 -- some of the git primitives seem to be here to stay - a hash identifying a commit or tree as the key ident

Re: Notice of intent: patching glibc

2011-09-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Wishlist item: > > At the same time that RPM allows you to bundle a git repo, perhaps we > can finally get rid of %changelog? I suspect that fedpkg is a better integration point. Between the "fedora patches" branch discussed in my other

Re: what if native systemd service is slower than old sysvinit script?

2011-09-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > Here's what I did: ... > 4. Note the time from the first "date" output to the "database system is > ready to accept connections" message getting logged Tom, your methodology is sound. You're too kind to say but given the "completion criteria" of

Re: what if native systemd service is slower than old sysvinit script?

2011-09-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
2011/9/15 Michał Piotrowski : > 2011/9/14 Tom Lane : >> 3. As root, do >> date --rfc-3339=ns ; systemctl start postgresql.service ; date --rfc-3339=ns > > with dropped cache > > date --rfc-3339=ns ; systemctl start postgresql.service ; date --rfc-3339=ns > 2011-09-15 08:44:40.348239703+02:00 > 2011

Re: F-16 suspends my *desktop* after 30 minutes at the gdm , making it impossible to ssh in

2011-10-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Hans de Goede wrote: > The subject more or less says it all. When I startup my desktop machine > (which thus > is always on AC), and leave it at the gdm screen it will suspend after being > left > alone for 30 minutes. This is not good, since I only leave it power

Re: F-16 suspends my *desktop* after 30 minutes at the gdm , making it impossible to ssh in

2011-10-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: >> 2) The machine has a server function. In this case working wake on lan and >>    stay active on lan are a must have and until we have those it should not >>    auto suspend. > > WOL for a network server is madness. It shouldn't have been s

Re: Why EDID is not trustworthy for DPI

2011-10-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Camilo Mesias wrote: > Thanks for the explanation... There is an alternative to endless > explanation - roll out your best effort at a heuristic and let the > crowd contribute to an ever growing set of exceptions. Well, actually, people complain a lot more than wha

Re: What's this /run directory doing on my system and where does it come from?

2011-03-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > With this upload Fedora and Suse have already adopted /run now. Debian > folks will suggest this for their coming release. Ubuntu has agreed with > introducing /run as well. Bravo! m --  martin.langh...@gmail.com  mar...@laptop.org

Re: What's this /run directory doing on my system and where does it come from?

2011-03-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Adam Miller wrote: > however, a little concerned with the precedence it is either creating or > following in the path of. This has behind is something IMHO bigger than FESCo: the agreement of key maintainers across distros. That's hard enough to pull -- and it's a

Driving ARM secondary rebuild with script - builddep tree?

2011-04-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
While smarter people than me fix the boostrapping of F14 on ARM, I am looking at whether we can automate driving koji in an optimal order. I am looking at mass-rebuild.py from the releng scripts repo; and at yum-builddep. - mass-rebuild gets a git checkout, bumps the rev, commits, pushes, we don

Font fallback for non-latin unicode chars

2011-05-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
When you open a page with Armenian characters such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_language the font server (or perhaps xulrunner) digs around to find a font that has that codepoint. Often it's just one font in your system that can provide it (so if you ask for it to be styled in serif, sa

Re: 9base in Fedora?

2011-05-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Putting them in your path's just going to break things. The plan is to have them _prefixed_ in your path, and un-prefixed in a specified directory so you can frob the path to run scripts that expect p9 utilities. I am not sure what this p

Trivial macro not expanded in kernel spec file %build

2011-06-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
I am hacking on a slighly modified kernel spec file for an OLPC arm test kernel. While chasing strange build errors, I find that %{image_install_path} isn't always being expanded. The resulting build script looks like http://fpaste.org/LQwR/#82 where %{image_install_path}, defined earlier as

Re: Trivial macro not expanded in kernel spec file %build

2011-06-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: > Hard to say without the entire spec, but one typical cause of "sometimes > works sometimes doesn't" issues with macros are %define's inside macro > {} blocks, which "work" until the first parametrized macro is called, > and after that it do

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Domingo Becker wrote: > The shortest way is by using keyboard, as Rahul says: > > 1. Press the key between Ctrl and Alt. > 2. Type in what you search, at least the first letters. After that, > some icons are shown and you may use up and down arrow keys to select. >

Re: The behaviour of systemctl.

2011-06-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > You know, I'd prefer if you take up your beef with "ls" first. Have you > ever compared the output of "ls" and of "ls | cat"? And that's just the > most obvious case. Indeed, ls, grep, git and many many modern cli tools use this conven

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > The future > -- > > Defining the purpose of Fedora updates is outside the scope of Fesco. > However, we note that updates intended to add new functionality are more > likely to result in user-visible regressions, and updates that alt

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >> 3) Sufficient testing of software inherently requires manual >> intervention by more than one individual. >> > This isn't entirely true either. #3 is so true that is central to what distros are about. Upstream probably released a good upda

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > You're willing to say that if I update one of my packages that has a script > of 30 lines, is a leaf node, and the update is to give the script an > optional argument to print output to stdout instead of writing to a file > that I'm incapabl

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Stable_Release_Updates_Proposal > > Here is the link.  I'm going to start a new thread here. Thanks for drafting this. Would it make sense to look at the API & coupling dimension? When a package provides an AP

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > As of tomorrow's rawhide [1], gnome-session will no longer treat > llvmpipe as an unsupported driver.  This means gnome-shell will run even > on hardware without a native 3D driver, including virt guests. > > There are probably bugs!  I've done

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > Details of rawhide builds for them here[1], the XO-1 build isn't > tested but the XO 1.5 one works fine, I'll be testing further and > likely the next build I do I'll add all the components to test the > llvmpipe feature on them. > > [1] http

Re: Why does git merge have so much trouble with Fedora package branches?

2011-11-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > My problem came in the case where someone has already *not* done this - > they've updated f16 separately from, and more than, master, and I wanted > to get them back in sync. If you want to keep merging as long as possible, and you are in

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Fedora 17 will locate the entire base operating system in /usr. The > directories > /bin, /sbin, /lib, /lib64 will only be symlinks: >  /bin → /usr/bin Interesting! Do we need to teach rpm / yum about the equivalence, when resolving depende

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Assuming /bin -> /usr/bin link is packaged, yes. Wow, it follows the symlink created by a 3rd package. clever, m --  martin.langh...@gmail.com  mar...@laptop.org -- Software Architect - OLPC  - ask interesting questions  - don't get d

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Jan 30, 2012 5:37 PM, "James Antill" wrote: > > > For a trivial example -- if package A depends on /bin/foo, will yum & > > > rpm be satisfied with /usr/bin/foo? > > > > Assuming /bin -> /usr/bin link is packaged, yes. > > No, not in any meaningful way, although I assume all of the problems >

Re: Fedora 17’s unified filesystem (/usr-move)

2012-01-31 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) said: > When calculating local on-system provides, it should - in fact, I'd be > surprised if it doesn't. Admins sometimes move directories around and > replace them with symlinks. Well, that's a very differ

Re: /usrmove and path ordering

2012-02-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
for my laptop. I'm sure many running rawhide will want it :-) -- upgrade/test/file bugs if it breaks/rollback if it's real bad. cheers, m { Martin Langhoff - one laptop per child } -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: /usrmove and path ordering

2012-02-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 15.02.2012 14:25, schrieb Miloslav Trmač: >> I haven't seen this work and I don't think such snaphots can be relied >> upon: /boot, /etc and /var are affected by installs as well Miroslav -- you haven't seen this work because the tasks ar

Debuginfo package for Python-2.7 on F14 mismatched or (l)user error?

2012-03-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Fedorans, we are facing a very strange Python segfault in an OLPC build, based on F14, for XO-1.5 (I know, do you remember _that_ far ago?). The state of the OS and disk is well known, but we cannot make it happen at will. So I got my hands on a coredump, installed the exact same OS (so exact

Re: Debuginfo package for Python-2.7 on F14 mismatched or (l)user error?

2012-03-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > All those GDB messages mean your system libraries do not match the core file. Well, that should just not be. The machine that fails, and my machine have both been installed from the same disk image, which gets written to disk with a process

Re: Debuginfo package for Python-2.7 on F14 mismatched or (l)user error?

2012-03-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi John, thanks for the reply - looping back devel@lfo and devel@llo... On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:14 PM, John Gilmore wrote: > Irreproducible bugs are a real pain. Indeed -- > Try typing "info files" to gdb and see what sections it sees in the > core file and in the executable. I can't make m

Re: Debuginfo package for Python-2.7 on F14 mismatched or (l)user error?

2012-03-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 1:57 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: >> And both machines pass rpm -Va just fine. So the binaries should, um, >> be the same. > + >> It is a core from yesterday, > > There can be difference one of the machines has the files prelink-ed while the > other one does not.  prelink runs

Re: Debuginfo package for Python-2.7 on F14 mismatched or (l)user error?

2012-03-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
Mar 2012 20:46:16 +0100, Martin Langhoff wrote: >> Argh, that could be. But our kernel is a custom built rpm, > > You have a bug for Fedora there, in the core file by readelf -l: > Program Headers: >  Type           Offset   VirtAddr   PhysAddr   FileSiz MemSiz  Flg Align > [...] >

Re: Fixing the glibc adobe flash incompatibility

2010-11-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:12 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: > That electricity would be eaten up on developer workstations... ...flaming endlessly on a topic where - the glibc patch is clear - the external workaround (which avoids changing glibc) is trivial and has been posted m --  martin.la

nxt_python API change - rename vs break?

2011-01-31 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hello list, Fedora currently ships nxt_python 0.7 (packaged by John McLean) -- a library to generate Lego NXT bytecode from python. The upstream library has moved forward under a new lead developer (Marcus Wanner, cc'd). The current code - nxt 2.0.1 - uses the same name, but breaks API. Upstream

Re: nxt_python API change - rename vs break?

2011-01-31 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Jonathan Dieter wrote: >>  - Work with John to upgrade nxt_python from 0.7 to 2.0.1, break with >> the past. Unclear whether it is widely used (do we have anything like >> popcon?) > > I'd vote for this one with the proviso that the API break is only done > for Ra

Multiple identical udev rules -- safe?

2011-01-31 Thread Martin Langhoff
Consider this file from nxt_python package: cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-lego.rules BUS=="usb", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0694", GROUP="lego", MODE="0660" Is it safe & sane to include an identical udev rule file in the nbc package with different filename? To state the obvious -- it'd use the same group

Re: Multiple identical udev rules -- safe?

2011-02-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:16 AM, Jonathan Dieter wrote: > FWIW, I'd really like to see the console user have access to this by > default.  Then, uploading a file to the NXT brick would be plug and > play. Yeah. Trouble is - I know nothing about ConsoleKit policy. What's the trick to change this ud

Re: Open Letter: Why I, Kevin Kofler, am not rerunning for FESCo

2010-05-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> - I read this list every day, and am very mindful of feedback from >>   developers. Any communication media is good, IMHO. My mailbox is also >>   always open. I think many become discouraged with the mailing list >>   the

Re: Res: Open Letter: Why I, Kevin Kofler, am not rerunning for FESCo

2010-05-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Some risks are so low that they're basically negligible. If the 2 options > are keeping an existing regression (which missed testing) in updates for a > few more days or risking the off chance that there MAY be another regression > with a proba

Re: [HEADS-UP] The systemd unit files I'll post

2010-07-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: >> How are the SSH host keys supposed to be generated with systemd? >> Currently the initscript creates them, if they do not exist. > > Well, I believe the right place to create them would be in sshd Hi Lennart, as a downstream of Fedor

Re: RFC: Primary architecture promotion requirements

2012-03-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > Maybe a distribution of PandaBoards/R-Pi for every FAS account holder could > help, any sponsor? :D OLPC is starting mass production of XO-1.75 units, based on an ARMv7 Marvell Armada 610. School kids in Uruguay and Nicaragua will start th

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: >> Where is the hardware? Do you see signs of ARM boards coming in the >> near future (next 1 year or so) on which users can install operating >> systems of their choice? > > I wonder where you've been.  See Raspberry Pi and Trimslice for a > co

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 2:20 PM, drago01 wrote: > Which is exactly what I am trying to say as soon as you want to create > content you want a "real device". (keyboard! & interface) Folks! In this mailing list I'd expect people to know: an arch is an arch is an arch. Some ARM CPUs will control yo

Re: ARM as a primary architecture

2012-03-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Pete Zaitcev wrote: >> Buy a trimslice and run it with iSCSI. > > This is not good enough for me to become involved with Fedora on ARM. > Glad it works for you, but I need a real system, like a Netwinder. Whatever floats your boat! ARM SoCs are available in every

Python i686 vs x86_64 -- for testing a python library

2012-03-27 Thread Martin Langhoff
I am diagnosing a bug/odditywith a python library that uses Pyrex and other oddities. In the course of that, I have installed python.i686 on my F16 x86_64 system, and I'm trying to run it and... no dice! According to rpm, python.x86_64 and python.i686 both own /usr/bin/python and /usr/bin/python2.

Re: Python i686 vs x86_64 -- for testing a python library

2012-03-27 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Adam Jackson wrote: > Welcome to rpm.  ELF files have a wacky concept called "color", which means Color me impressed. That's one thing I didn't know! > Use a chroot or an i686 vm.  Or possibly just do rpmdev-extract on the i686 > version and run it directly. I'

Re: Licensing change: Audacious - GPLv3 --> BSD

2012-07-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > That someone's name wasn't listed in the right places may _explain_ their > non-inclusion in a copyright change discussion That seems to be what is being stated. > Perhaps his contributions were too insignificant to earn copyright > covera

Re: Licensing change: Audacious - GPLv3 --> BSD

2012-07-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > If > you're not able to keep track of all your copyright holders then > changing the license is something you should only do with the aid of > good lawyers. While the pendantics do have a pendantic point, in practice the mere *cost* of dem

Re: F21 System Wide Change: System-wide crypto policy

2014-02-27 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > Unify the crypto policies used by different applications and libraries. That > is > allow setting a consistent security level for crypto on all applications in a > Fedora system. As others have noted, crypto tech compatibility is tricky.

Re: Per-Product Config file divergence

2014-03-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > The idea is to allow config file divergence via the alternatives system as Will this handle user customization? IME alternatives is not geared to handle config files, customizable shell scripts, etc. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gma

Re: Per-Product Config file divergence

2014-03-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > 2) If we allow switching between products, we probably have to treat > the entire Product configuration of a package as a single unit. ok. > Edits to somefile.conf would change whatever's on the other end of the > link. The alternative

Re: Per-Product Config file divergence

2014-03-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > It may be that vanilla alternatives is unsuitable but we want something > alternatives-like (an external tool that updates the config file) rather > than something based on rpm metadata (Conflicts which causes you to have > either one or th

Re: Per-Product Config file divergence

2014-03-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:27 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > What's wrong with just dropping the defaults in /etc in the Product's live > kickstart? (Yes, that assumes the Product is delivered as a live image. We For server images, Live isn't so hot. Can anaconda be taught to execute a %product Foo ki

Re: ostree/fedora atomic and impact on the mirror network

2014-03-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Colin Walters wrote: > One model I'd like to aim for here is we say "the repository will take up at > most N GB" (where e.g. N=100) and we keep an intelligently-scheduled series > of snapshots, like backup systems do. What happens to a client that is more than 1

Re: ostree/fedora atomic and impact on the mirror network

2014-03-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Colin Walters wrote: > Remember OSTree is a content-addressed object store (like git), not a chain > of deltas (like Subversion, and other systems out there such as Chromium > Autoupdate, and Docker). Ouch -- so updates fetch EVERY file regardless of whether it ha

F20: what connects the lid switch to triggering suspend?

2014-03-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
My Lenovo X220, running up-to-date F20 occasionally gets into a state where closing the laptop lid does not trigger suspend. I want to narrow down on the problem, but I'm slightly lost on how "the signal is routed" through the stack. udev->?-> systemd-suspend -> kernel ? thank you! m -- mar

Re: F20: what connects the lid switch to triggering suspend?

2014-03-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > I wonder whether this is related to the fact that, on most Lenovos, if > you press the suspect button twice without waiting long enough, the > second press is ignored. > Seems unlikelye. I am very careful with double-presses, and my tes

Re: F20: what connects the lid switch to triggering suspend?

2014-03-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > systemd-inhibit --list > Fantastic info - Tomasz and Lennart. Thanks! m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first ~ http://docs.moodle.org/en/User:Martin

Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?

2014-03-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > I wonder whether it wouldn't be time to say goodbye to tcpwrappers in > Fedora. There has been a request in systemd upstream to disable support > As Stephen points out, they are used. Does systemd+xinetd match their functionality? chee

Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?

2014-03-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > A firewall has mechanisms to filter for all domains, however only > covering a smaller number of generic, low-level matches and actions. > >From a usability PoV, /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} is good. I wonder if teaching firewalld to support

Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?

2014-03-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > >> A firewall has mechanisms to filter for all domains, however only >> covering a smaller number of generic, low-level matches and actions. >> >

Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?

2014-03-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 6:16 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > In other words you are telling us that now to get something implemented or > removed in Fedora we have to not only deal with our usual politics and > bureaucracy but also all the downstream distribution to us as well... One way t

Re: F20: what connects the lid switch to triggering suspend?

2014-03-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 8:45 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Normally when you close the lid logind should log something about "Lid > closed" or so... Look around the logs around this to figure out what > mightbe going on. > Thanks -- this has worked and led me to a local service of mine (an open

Re: Maybe it's time to get rid of tcpwrappers/tcpd?

2014-03-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > What gives you the impression that fail2ban is "crusty"? It's being > actively developed upstream and integrates with firewalld now. Are > those particularly onerous dependencies? and with journal integration, python-inotify can probabl

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 -> bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 03.04.2014 20:00, schrieb Adam Jackson: >> On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 19:31 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >>> and if someone asks why i called Lennart in #1072368 >>> names >> >> We didn't, and no justification would matter. It's not acceptabl

Re: systemd bugs in F20/F21 -> bug against the distribution?

2014-04-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 03.04.2014 22:32, schrieb Adam Williamson: >> On Thu, 2014-04-03 at 19:31 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> will that below ever get fixed in F20? >> >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1072368 >> >> The developer does not conside

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > So, I'd question the usefulness of not installing man-pages, because their > sizes are comparatively small on today's disk-scales, e.g. on my primary > system: > # du -sh /usr/share/man > 89M /usr/share/man > > That's almost neglibile in

Re: trimming down Fedora installed size

2014-04-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:49 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > It's more about getting to the point of being able to remove them and or > have the option not to install them. See my other email on this thread. Following on what I wrote there, instead of reworking all the packages across the di

Re: fedora-atomic discussion point: /usr/lib/passwd

2014-04-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 2:33 AM, Colin Walters wrote: > One way to fix this that goes with my general direction of moving things out > of %post into systemd: a dynamic uid reservation system that saves state > persistently. > Crudely, this would be ExecStartPre=/usr/sbin/useradd -r ... > except we

Re: fedora-atomic discussion point: /usr/lib/passwd

2014-04-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fri, 11.04.14 16:09, Colin Walters (walt...@verbum.org) wrote: > >> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Martin Langhoff >> wrote: >> > >> >If you move in this direction, you have to create file

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

2014-04-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > The communication between the two daemons is done over standard HTTPS, Interesting. One quirk of current syslog-style remote logging over UDP is that it is fairly tolerant to dataloss. With quite a bit of experience in the field... I have

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

2014-04-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > the upload client is like any other journal client -- it is fully asynchronous > wrt. to journald writing log entries. (It's something like > 'journalctl -o export|curl -X POST https://some.where/upload'.) Fantastic, so there i

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: Remote Journal Logging

2014-04-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> So I'll ask you about this other aspect -- what about stateless >> clients with very limited or no local storage? > Not supported by this, unfortunately. There needs to be at least > temporary storage in tmpfs for this scheme t

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > don't get me wrong but you are talking bullshit > Reindl, your SNR is way way high. Maybe try sending /less/ emails, concentrating in being clear and helpful? Don't worry, there is _always_ someone who's wrong on the internet. You can't a

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > defense in depth means limit the attack surface as much as you can > As folks are trying to point out to you, these principles are well understood in this group. However, _any minimally usable environment will have a scripting engine_ -- /b

Re: We want to stop systemd from being added to docker images, because of rpm requiring systemctl.

2014-04-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Reindl Harald said: > > however, thank you to show me that any discussion with you is worthless > > Right back at you. > The CoC does say a few things on this topic. I am finding Reindl's trollish behavior extremely annoyi

Re: Licensing change: Audacious - GPLv3 --> BSD

2012-07-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Please consider that in the Oracle vs Google case, Oracle ended up with > 9-line copying (plus a few test files), and the judge decided that *as* > *a* *matter* *of* *law* copyright infringement had occurred for those 9 > lines. Yes. And a

A preupgrade adventure - F16 to F17

2012-07-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
Just an informational anecdote. My main dev machine is a vanilla Lenovo X220 laptop, running an up-to-date F16. At OLPC, we are damned close to *shipping* a F17-based distro on our XO laptops, so I thought it'd be good to update. Worried about /usr move, I decided to DTRT: use preupgrade. First,

Re: A preupgrade adventure - F16 to F17

2012-07-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Um. I think you might be working from a completely false premise. If you > did a fresh install of Fedora 16 you should have grub2. Not grub. Hmmm. This laptop has had F14, but IIRC it got a wipe-and-reinstall treatment. You may be right on

Re: A preupgrade adventure - F16 to F17

2012-07-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 19:26 +0000, Martin Langhoff wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > Um. I think you might be working from a completely false premise. If you >> > did a fre

Re: Announcing OLPC OS 12.1.0 for XO-1, XO-1.5 and XO-1.75

2012-09-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Daniel Drake wrote: > We're pleased to announce the release of OLPC OS 12.1.0 for XO-1, > XO-1.5 and XO-1.75. Details of new features, known issues, and how to Congrats to all the team! Good press coverage at http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/02/olpc-delivers-big-os

Changing date and ntpdate utilities to accomodate systemd's change of rtc handling

2012-09-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
Changes stemming from the switch to systemd mean that if you set the system clock with ntpdate or date and you are not running ntpd... your changes are not recorded in the RTC, ever. There are some good reasons for this change, but at this time only the systemd side is done, leaving date, ntpdate,

Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID))

2012-11-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Allan Day wrote: > It's important to recognise the negative effects of delays to the release. OLPC is downstream of F18, and planning to ship an "OLPC OS" version 13.1.0 first week of December 2012 (approx); which will be based on F18. We are not affected by Anac

Re: F20 System Wide Change: SSD cache

2013-07-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > One thing I would recommend would be to correctly detect SSD: > ATM, I installed my Fedora over an SSD and it did not ajust the mount > settings nor suggest an appropriate setting for the SSD. > If we can at least detect SSD and sug

Re: F20 System Wide Change: SSD cache

2013-07-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Martin Langhoff > wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby >> wrote: >>> One thing I would recommend would be to correctly detect SSD: >>> AT

Re: F20 System Wide Change: SSD cache

2013-07-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
7PM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: > >> Would you run tuned on a server? > > It was written with that in mind. > > -- > Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org > -- > devel mailing list > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mail

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > (Just to mention this: we are neither the pioneer on the > no-default-syslog feature nor on no-default-sendmail... A lot of other As a cross-distro chap, I can attest to this. Specially with sendmail. Everytime I spot sendmail in a Fed

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > You'd usually mount your journal files dir, then direct "journalctl -D > /path/to/the/journal/files/dir" to it. It will then collect all files in > that dir, interleave them and present them to you. Thanks! And that -D would be to the d

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > And, despite your statement to the contrary, "journalctl" (without -f) Hey Chris! You might be hitting a bug, have a surprising pager envvar or something. My general experience is that it does page things. I don't think there's a conspiracy a

Re: F20 System Wide Change: No Default Syslog

2013-07-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Chris Adams wrote: >> It's a feature you don't get traditionally because syslog drops the >> priority information from the on-disk format. > > I'd expect that if somebody thought that was an important default, the > log format would have been updated years ago when

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