audio passthrough is still non-obvious

2011-10-04 Thread Ian Malone
Hi, I'm not starting by filing this as a bug as it encompasses a number of issues and it's not clear where the problem really lies, so I thought I'd start a discussion here first. I posted on what I'm trying to do previously (in F13) here: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-Octob

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-04 Thread Ian Malone
On 4 November 2011 13:21, seth vidal wrote: > On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 10:25:54 + (UTC) > Bojan Smojver wrote: > >> Adam Williamson redhat.com> writes: >> >> > > Yeah, I got that bit. But I'm sure all you folks are in the know, >> > > so I asked. >> > >> > No more than anyone - there really is no

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-04 Thread Ian Malone
On 4 November 2011 14:36, drago01 wrote: > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> This is essentially giving up. It's frustrating to be stuck on >> overview mode on a four core machine while gnome-shell is doing >> /something/ but you don'

Re: F17 heads up: gnome-shell for everyone!

2011-11-04 Thread Ian Malone
On 4 November 2011 17:23, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Ian Malone wrote: >> If I filed every bug in the distro in upstream I'd have a dozen >> different bugzilla accounts by now. > > So what? Maintainers are not messengers, they have other work to do than > forwarding the

Re: reporting bugs

2011-11-05 Thread Ian Malone
On 5 November 2011 00:50, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 11/04/2011 05:39 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >> On 4 November 2011 17:23, Kevin Kofler  wrote: >>> Ian Malone wrote: >>>> If I filed every bug in the distro in upstream I'd have a dozen >>>> diff

Re: Thunderbird-38.0.1 integrates lightning? Very disturbing!!

2015-07-01 Thread Ian Malone
On 30 June 2015 at 16:33, Ahmad Samir wrote: > On 30 June 2015 at 17:22, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> >> Am 30.06.2015 um 17:02 schrieb Ahmad Samir: >>> >>> IIUC, what's happening here is that they bundle the extension with >>> Thunderbird 38 so it's installed and enabled by default; so when you >>

Re: Thunderbird-38.0.1 integrates lightning? Very disturbing!!

2015-07-01 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 July 2015 at 14:02, Ahmad Samir wrote: > On 1 July 2015 at 12:14, Ian Malone wrote: > >> >> It appears to have broken the ability to install the gdata provider, >> at least when I installed a new F22 system at the weekend I found I >> couldn't install i

Re: Is it time to allow Chromium in Fedora?

2015-08-12 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 August 2015 at 09:33, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 12.08.2015 um 02:42 schrieb Thomas Daede: *if* you use binary tarballs they *should not* be extracted in a user writeable location as *no binary* whenever possible should have permissions allowing a ordinary user to change

Fedora Jam not in nightly composes / F23 alpha or beta?

2015-09-04 Thread Ian Malone
Hi, It seems Fedora Jam is not included in current test composes for F23 and is not being included in nightly composes http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tasks?state=all&view=tree&method=livecd&order=-id (not failing to build as Live Workstation is, simply not being included in attempted builds).

Re: Fedora Jam not in nightly composes / F23 alpha or beta?

2015-09-07 Thread Ian Malone
On 4 September 2015 at 11:17, Ian Malone wrote: > Hi, > > It seems Fedora Jam is not included in current test composes for F23 > and is not being included in nightly composes > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tasks?state=all&view=tree&method=livecd&order=-id >

Re: Fedora Ring 0 definition

2015-09-07 Thread Ian Malone
On 7 September 2015 at 13:21, Miloslav Trmac wrote: > > Also, it seems to me that it would be useful to, at least conceptually, to > not think about Fedora as a self-hosting perpetual motion^Wrecompilation > machine, but as “just another huge application” being built using compilers > and other t

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 14 September 2015 at 16:47, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > They simply have welcomed their new container overlords and are using only > the recommended upstream method for installing for their application ( > pip,gem etc since developers can use the upstream support community for > those ) in

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 15 September 2015 at 10:11, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > > On 09/15/2015 08:41 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> On 14 September 2015 at 16:47, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson >> wrote: >> >>> They simply have welcomed their new container overlords and are u

Re: unsigned char vs. signed char

2014-07-16 Thread Ian Malone
On 16 July 2014 10:28, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 07/16/2014 11:00 AM, Jakub Jelinek wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:55:57AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: >>> >>> On 07/15/2014 07:22 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: On Tue, 2014-07-15 at 10:40 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: > > Did

Re: OT: Patching a source makes it a fork?

2014-08-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 15 August 2014 03:11, Richard Shaw wrote: > I'm part curious and part venting > > I am trying to get a cross-platform project I'm working on building natively > on win32 as I've already got it working nicely on Fedora and Fedora mingw. > > I've ended up with the MSYS2 project, which while a

Re: OT: Patching a source makes it a fork?

2014-08-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 15 August 2014 12:30, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> (I'm very sympathetic to your plight as I've been waiting months to >> try and get a known patch from the actual author of the original code >> into the kernel.)

Re: Proposal: Increasing application icon sizes to 64px

2014-09-29 Thread Ian Malone
On 29 September 2014 12:40, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 29 September 2014 12:23, Matěj Cepl wrote: >> Couldn’t we just stop this madness of bitmaps? > > SVGs are not a silver bullet. You'd want a very different source SVG > file for an icon that's designed to be displayed at 22x22, to an icon > de

Re: Proposal: Increasing application icon sizes to 64px

2014-10-01 Thread Ian Malone
On 30 September 2014 02:09, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Mon, 2014-09-29 at 22:05 +0100, Ian Malone wrote: >> Who is using magnifying glasses to view icons? > > Icons are displayed far larger in GNOME Shell than in other desktop > environments, and the difference between

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 2 October 2014 07:33, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Wed, 01.10.14 22:39, Rahul Sundaram (methe...@gmail.com) wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Is it worth considering using Dash as the default (non-interactive) shell >> in Fedora? Other distributions including Ubuntu and Debian ( >> https://lwn.net/Articl

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 2 October 2014 17:13, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 10/02/2014 03:07 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Chris Adams wrote: >> >> >> If that's the case, why do we have the /bin/sh symlink? Just remove >> it >> and make the bash dependency explicit (so

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 2 October 2014 13:59, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said: > >> In general, I am pretty sure that except a couple of programming >> language or UNIX aficionades very few people can actually correctly >> separate bashisms from true bourneshellisms. > > It isn't that

Re: No more deltarpms by default

2014-10-06 Thread Ian Malone
On 6 October 2014 09:41, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > One of the long standing features that were enabled by default in yum is > support for delta rpms. dnf developers have disabled this and I think this > change deserves a broader discussion > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1148

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-06 Thread Ian Malone
On 6 October 2014 16:57, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > - Original Message - >> On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 02:29:53PM -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: >> > >Is it worth considering using Dash as the default (non-interactive) >> > >shell in Fedora? Other distributions including Ubuntu and Debian >> > >

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-06 Thread Ian Malone
On 6 October 2014 17:28, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > - Original Message - >> > At that point switching anything to dash can _only increase_, not reduce, >> > the disk space needed, and is very likely to increase the total page cache >> > usage/requirement as well. Bringing the benefits of sup

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-17 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 October 2014 12:35, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Been away for a week and come back to this nonsense. Why put so much effort into arguing *against* having the right interpreter listed at the top of a script. Seems pretty perverse to insist it should be /bin/sh to maintain a conflation that's unique

Re: Improving the offline updates user experience

2014-10-22 Thread Ian Malone
On 22 October 2014 20:07, Michael Stahl wrote: > On 17.09.2014 13:58, Miroslav Suchý wrote: >> On 09/17/2014 11:54 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: >>> All those OSes require reboots when updating the OS. >> >> Define OS. >> >> Firefox is definitely not OS. While systemd is OS. >> I am fine with reboot a

Re: Quick C++ question for C++ experts :)

2015-04-01 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 April 2015 at 14:32, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > On 28/03/15 16:45 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: >> >> 2015-03-28 16:06 GMT-03:00 Paulo César Pereira de Andrade >> : >>> >>> Is this expected to not compile with -fno-implicit-templates? >>> >>> ---%<--- >>> $ cat test.cc >>> #inclu

Re: Quick C++ question for C++ experts :)

2015-04-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 April 2015 at 16:09, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > On 01/04/15 15:16 +0100, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> Do you mind clarifying? I thought should provide that >> http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/string/string/operator+/ or is that >> what fno-implicit-templates is t

Re: [Bug 1201978] dracut assumes BIOS time is UTC closed without fixing again

2015-04-27 Thread Ian Malone
On 27 April 2015 at 06:47, Chris Murphy wrote: > Time in UTC is just as absurd and arbitrary as time in a local > timezone, so if Windows is going to get berated for not dealing with > UTC properly, then Fedora can be berated for not dealing with local > time properly. > Not really, as multiboot

Re: [Bug 1201978] dracut assumes BIOS time is UTC closed without fixing again

2015-04-27 Thread Ian Malone
On 27 April 2015 at 09:54, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 04/27/2015 09:34 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> On 27 April 2015 at 06:47, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >>> Time in UTC is just as absurd and arbitrary as time in a local >>> timezone, so if Windows is going to g

Re: [Bug 1201978] dracut assumes BIOS time is UTC closed without fixing again

2015-04-28 Thread Ian Malone
On 27 April 2015 at 21:36, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Simon Farnsworth wrote: > >> Windows doesn't work fine with RTC in local time, unless you have one and >> only one Windows install on the system. If you (say) dual-boot Windows 95 >> and Windows NT 4.0 (I've done t

Re: Btrfs as default filesystem for Fedora 23?

2015-06-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 24 June 2015 at 04:28, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > >> Certainly, but with none of the features in Btrfs actually emitting scary >> "experimental" warnings anymore, and even all features working in btrfs RAID >> 5/6 now, I think we should

creating dynamic access control lists for a device: systemd and udev

2012-03-24 Thread Ian Malone
Hi, I put in a RFE https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806534 for a udev rule for the Fender Mustang amplifier and got a very quick response from Kay Sievers (some needs to tell RedHat about weekends). Obviously things have moved on since I last looked at permissions and their use with dev

Re: creating dynamic access control lists for a device: systemd and udev

2012-03-25 Thread Ian Malone
On 24 March 2012 19:01, Ian Malone wrote: > Hi, > > I put in a RFE https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806534 for > a udev rule for the Fender Mustang amplifier and got a very quick > response from Kay Sievers (some needs to tell RedHat about weekends). > Obviously th

Re: creating dynamic access control lists for a device: systemd and udev

2012-03-25 Thread Ian Malone
On 25 March 2012 13:22, Ian Malone wrote: > On 24 March 2012 19:01, Ian Malone wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I put in a RFE https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806534 for Taken to systemd-devel. -- imalone -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://ad

plug software for fender mustang

2012-03-29 Thread Ian Malone
Hi, I'm interested in getting Plug http://piorekf.org/plug/download/ included in Fedora, this is a package that supports control of the Fender Mustang range of amplifiers via USB, licensed under GPL3. It has dependencies on qt4 and libusb and is currently packaged through OpenSUSE. I've looked at

Re: creating dynamic access control lists for a device: systemd and udev

2012-03-29 Thread Ian Malone
On 27 March 2012 19:00, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sun, 2012-03-25 at 13:22 +0100, Ian Malone wrote: > >> Or indeed, if anyone can show me where this is documented. All I've >> managed to find with google are git commits and irrelevant mailing >> list fragments. sy

Re: creating dynamic access control lists for a device: systemd and udev

2012-03-31 Thread Ian Malone
On 30 March 2012 22:41, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Ian Malone wrote: >> Interesting, not sure how you'd tell that. I've now noticed the header >> #This file is part of systemd. >> And rpm -qf confirms that, but why don't systemd and udev get into >> confli

Re: plug software for fender mustang

2012-04-03 Thread Ian Malone
On 30 March 2012 00:25, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >>>>>> "IM" == Ian Malone writes: > > IM> So, what's the next step? If necessary I can volunteer to maintain > IM> it myself (and would have to volunteer as a maintainer), but would > IM> be

Re: plug software for fender mustang

2012-04-04 Thread Ian Malone
On 4 April 2012 10:42, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Ian Malone wrote: >> Is it acceptable to repackage the tarball too? The prep stage seems to >> expect a particular structure within it. > > %setup takes some arguments to deal with strange tarballs. > That looks like the thing

Re: Fedora 18 Release name voting and Poll for whether to continue naming releases

2012-04-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 23 April 2012 14:06, Adam Williamson wrote: > > I'm not against release names because some people are supposed to have > been offended by the words 'Beefy Miracle' I don't know about offended, it just sounds silly. Maybe it's a UK/US thing, or that it started as a RedHat in-joke, but to this

Re: F16->F17 preupgrade (Re: F17 Beta to slip by an additional week.)

2012-04-29 Thread Ian Malone
On 29 April 2012 01:05, Richard Vickery wrote: > On 2012-04-26 10:50 AM, "Michał Piotrowski" wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> W dniu 9 kwietnia 2012 17:46 użytkownik Michał Piotrowski >> napisał: >> > Hi, >> > >> > Is it possible to upgrade now from F16 to F17 with preupgrade? >> > >> > >> >> Has anyone

Re: Fedora 17 Change Freeze

2012-05-01 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 May 2012 19:30, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all, > > the fedora 17 schedule > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/17/Schedule lists the final > change freeze as 2012-05-07 this means that you need to make sure that > any changes you want i

Re: F16->F17 preupgrade (Re: F17 Beta to slip by an additional week.)

2012-05-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 2 May 2012 10:16, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sun, 2012-04-29 at 12:00 +0100, Ian Malone wrote: > >> However, one pre-upgrade bug that may prevent you installing and is >> not on the blockers list: > > The blocker list is specifically intended to be open to nominati

Re: F16->F17 preupgrade (Re: F17 Beta to slip by an additional week.)

2012-05-03 Thread Ian Malone
On 3 May 2012 00:16, Ian Malone wrote: > On 2 May 2012 10:16, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Sun, 2012-04-29 at 12:00 +0100, Ian Malone wrote: >> >>> However, one pre-upgrade bug that may prevent you installing and is >>> not on the blockers list: >> >>

Re: Important kernel update should not break stuff

2012-06-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 13 June 2012 13:31, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: "Roman Kennke" >> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:15:14 PM >> Subject: Re: Important kernel update should not break stuff >> >         - How can pro

Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)

2014-02-12 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 February 2014 14:44, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Matthew Miller > wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 03:36:00PM +0100, Kai Engert wrote: >>> Question (1) >>> Are we allowed to ship software in Fedora that dynamically loads >>> advertisements from the web and shows th

Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)

2014-02-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 13 February 2014 18:50, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Jeu 13 février 2014 19:40, Rahul Sundaram a écrit : >> Hi >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> >>> A party who is molesting me with ads and tries to spy on me, hardly is >>> my >>> friend. >> >> >> That certain

Re: advertisement in packaged software (e.g. Firefox)

2014-02-14 Thread Ian Malone
On 14 February 2014 06:08, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 02/13/2014 07:50 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >> >> Le Jeu 13 février 2014 19:40, Rahul Sundaram a écrit : >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> A party who is molesting me with ads and tries t

Re: Heads up; F22 will require applications to ship appdata to be listed in software center

2014-02-17 Thread Ian Malone
On 17 February 2014 08:45, Christian Schaller wrote: > > Well with GCC we are assuming people will read docs and figure out the command > line parameters needed to use gcc. So expecting people to read the docs on how > to use yum or 'yum search' is not expecting to much in my opinion. > > That s

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Ian Malone
On 28 February 2014 20:45, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 23:16 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: >> On Feb 27, 2014, at 11:07 PM, James Wilson Harshaw IV >> wrote: >> >> > I apologize, I guess I did not get the whole background out of it. >> > >> > What filesystems are we considering?

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-01 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 March 2014 18:57, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Sat, 2014-03-01 at 12:04 +0000, Ian Malone wrote: >> On 28 February 2014 20:45, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 23:16 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: >> As you say they are 'plain' filesystems. Tho

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 March 2014 21:37, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 03/01/2014 02:30 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >> On 1 March 2014 18:57, Simo Sorce wrote: >>> On Sat, 2014-03-01 at 12:04 +, Ian Malone wrote: >>>> On 28 February 2014 20:45, Adam Williamson wrote: >>>>

Re: default file system, was: Comparison to Workstation Technical Specification

2014-03-03 Thread Ian Malone
On 2 March 2014 14:56, Ric Wheeler wrote: > On 03/02/2014 01:17 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >>> >>> Can we get some definition of "legacy" here? kernel/nfs-utils versions? >>> > >> >> I'd have to check what I can share. If it helps: not cur

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part II, "What's Happening?")

2014-04-01 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 April 2014 02:50, David wrote: > On 3/31/2014 8:37 PM, Corey Sheldon wrote: >> Whatever if they can't learn the basics and the fundamental basis of >> Linux or the "Patent" issues and what have you then go somewhere else >> like to mac or windows..sometimes you need to work for things and

Re: Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-04-01)

2014-04-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 1 April 2014 21:11, Matthew Miller wrote: > Reposted from > http://fedoramagazine.org/five-things-in-fedora-this-week-2014-04-01/ > > This is the third installment of this series, and I'm still calibrating > a few things. I'm aiming at a wide audience, but I'm not quite sure how > much explain

Re: F21 System Wide Change: lbzip2 as default bzip2 implementation

2014-04-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 2 April 2014 21:46, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: >>> ** possibly adjust spec files to require or build-require lbzip2 instead of >>> bzip2. >> Is this necessary? Wouldn't it be better to have lbzip2 Provide bzip2 >> or something so that

Re: Five Things in Fedora This Week (2014-04-08)

2014-04-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 April 2014 23:01, Corey Sheldon wrote: > I'm glad to supply a mirror site for initial seeding for such actions as > needed (GMT-4 (US ES/DT) > Also great mailing list but curious do you plan on creating a blog or > podcast with such info for those not always near email client ..been > for

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: SDDM as the default KDE display manager instead of KDM

2014-04-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 14 April 2014 14:40, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: SDDM as the default KDE display manager > instead of KDM = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SDDMinsteadOfKDM > > Change owner(s): Martin Briza & KDE SIG > > Retire KDM as the default display manager of the

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Workstation: Disable firewall

2014-04-16 Thread Ian Malone
On 16 April 2014 00:11, William Brown wrote: > On Tue, 2014-04-15 at 13:49 -0700, Matthias Clasen wrote: >> I don't think we want a 'firewall' UI anyway; the firewall is not >> something most users can or should understand and make decisions of. > > Never take decisions away from users. > > The O

Re: F21 Self Contained Change: The Shogun Machine Learning Toolbox

2014-04-30 Thread Ian Malone
On 30 April 2014 14:10, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: The Shogun Machine Learning Toolbox = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/shogun > > Change owner(s): Björn Esser > > SHOGUN is a large Scale Machine Learning Toolbox, being implemented in C++ and > offering i

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-17 Thread Ian Malone
On 17 June 2014 19:11, David wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 6/17/2014 1:59 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 17.06.2014 19:26, schrieb David: >> >> before you call others "zealots" you should ask yourself if you >> are just only a ordinary user with his single mach

bugzilla use and bug 1049310

2014-06-23 Thread Ian Malone
Kevin Fenzi on bugzilla: > Hey folks. There are 47 people cc'ed on this bug. > > Can we please be kind to them and refrain from discussion here unless you > have some new information that hasn't already been noted in the last 35 > comments? Quite a sensible comment. We got to this situation becaus

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 23 June 2014 23:54, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > First of all thank you for your reasoned response. I simply disagree. > > I understand the fact about require bugs, and the tons of dependent > packages. I've seen that also when I've tried to remove a package and > noticed it had a myriad of depende

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 24 June 2014 11:03, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 24.06.2014 11:40, schrieb Florian Weimer: >> On 06/24/2014 11:31 AM, Thomas Bendler wrote: >>> Hopefully you don't write professional software with this kind of >>> attitude. >> >> Please don't try to win arguments by labeling the opposition as

Re: dnf even allows to uninstall RPM and systemd without warnings

2014-06-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 24 June 2014 12:51, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 24.06.2014 12:56, schrieb Ian Malone: >> On 24 June 2014 11:03, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> >>> >>> Am 24.06.2014 11:40, schrieb Florian Weimer: >>>> On 06/24/2014 11:31 AM, Thomas Bendl

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-10-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 October 2015 at 23:58, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matthew Miller wrote: >> In many cases, this effectively means creating a Fedora-specfic fork of >> the project. > > Only if you call patches to the build system (with little to no changes to > the actual code) a "fork". > >> Even if we accept unbu

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-10-11 Thread Ian Malone
On 11 October 2015 at 12:43, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Haïkel wrote: >> And what happens if the library is consumed by other packages >> requiring the new API? > > Of course you have to support both the new and the old one. > >> Let's keep Ian example: >> You keep the deprecated function in the new li

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-10-12 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 October 2015 at 16:27, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Ian Malone wrote: >> Maybe there's some confusion about the point I was making. I'm >> referring to the case where the bundled library has functions that are >> no longer present in the fedora version and the applic

Re: Packaging of PlayOnLinux

2015-10-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 15 October 2015 at 11:50, Petr Pisar wrote: > On 2015-10-14, Alexandre Moine wrote: >> But, we have to be very careful with this software since it downloads >> scripts and icons from the web (in the automated installer part)... >> And it can install for example IE or steam by simply clicking a

Re: Packaging of PlayOnLinux

2015-10-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 15 October 2015 at 06:55, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: >> >> >> - Original Message - >>> Dne 14.10.2015 v 16:50 Bastien Nocera napsal(a): >>> > If the application cannot work without downloading anything, or being >>> > supplied >>> > third-pa

Re: Naming ANTs

2015-11-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 2 November 2015 at 09:14, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm working on bringing libraries/tools for neuroscience and neuroimaging > into Fedora[0]. Now I'm packaging ANTs[1] (Advanced Normalization Tools > (ANTs)), but we already have package ants[2] (game). > > How do I proceed with it?

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-18 Thread Ian Malone
On 18 November 2015 at 20:09, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 11:53 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > >> I don't understand. If a user who has the right to act as root asks >> to authorize a program to run as root on their behalf, we should grant >> that request. And, once we grant i

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-18 Thread Ian Malone
On 18 November 2015 at 20:24, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 15:09 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: >> On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 11:53 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> >> > I don't understand. If a user who has the right to act as root asks >> > to authorize a program to run as root on th

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-18 Thread Ian Malone
On 18 November 2015 at 23:38, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 18.11.2015 um 19:49 schrieb Adam Jackson: >> >> On Tue, 2015-11-17 at 17:30 +, Andrew Haley wrote: >>> >>> On 11/02/2015 03:05 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: But, why take the risk exposure, when you could simply not? >>> >>> >>> H

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-19 Thread Ian Malone
On 19 November 2015 at 03:18, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 03:09:34PM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: >> To the bug in question: probably we should make it so 'sudo gedit' does >> work, but I'd still strongly discourage anyone from actually doing so. > > Actually, there's a better wa

Re: On running gui applications as root

2015-11-19 Thread Ian Malone
On 19 November 2015 at 15:31, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2015-11-18 at 21:45 +0000, Ian Malone wrote: > >> Not really getting this. For any configuration task where you replace >> editing a root owned text file with access through some authorised >> gui, that gui is st

Re: wayland in rawhide

2015-11-20 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 November 2015 at 14:59, Ray Strode wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 5:51 AM, Jared K. Smith > wrote: >> I've been testing Wayland myself since around the F22 time period, but >> "middle click paste" and the occasional odd bug keep annoying me enough to >> go back to X. Can you elab

Re: wayland in rawhide

2015-11-26 Thread Ian Malone
On 25 November 2015 at 22:01, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2015-11-25 at 15:40 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote: >> On 11/25/2015 03:25 PM, drago01 wrote: >> > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 9:17 PM, Adam Williamson >> > wrote: >> > > On Fri, 2015-11-20 at 14:

Re: wayland in rawhide

2015-11-30 Thread Ian Malone
On 30 November 2015 at 12:29, Steve Clark wrote: > On 11/26/2015 06:32 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> On 25 November 2015 at 22:01, Adam Williamson >> wrote: >> >>> The wiki page explaining the GNOME-on-Wayland approach to middle-button >>> paste

Re: Stop please

2016-01-08 Thread Ian Malone
On 8 January 2016 at 12:02, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Samuel Sieb writes: > >> On 01/07/2016 08:34 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: >>> >>> I decided I would instruct Byron in how to unsubscribe from our mailing >>> list, when I discovered *I don't know how.* >>> >>> It seems with HyperKitty we no long

Re: kmods and Fedora

2016-01-14 Thread Ian Malone
On 14 January 2016 at 19:29, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > > On Jan 14, 2016 9:34 AM, "Nicolas Chauvet" wrote: >> >> 2016-01-14 18:05 GMT+01:00 Neal Gompa : >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Reindl Harald >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Am 14.01.2016 um 16:56 schrieb Neal Gompa: >>> >> >>> >> I've r

Re: dnf still is unuseable

2016-01-18 Thread Ian Malone
On 18 January 2016 at 01:32, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 12:55:54AM +0100, Heiko Adams wrote: >> But it seems to be broken since Feb 2015, which is IMHO unacceptable >> since a default package manager and all of its features have to work >> absolutely reliable. > >

Re: Should 'dnf install gtk3-devel.i686' work?

2016-01-21 Thread Ian Malone
On 21 January 2016 at 09:10, Yanko Kaneti wrote: > On Wed, 2016-01-20 at 15:50 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> If you're on freshly installed Fedora 23 (x86-64), then >> >> dnf install gtk3-devel.x86_64 >> .. >> >> Is this a bug or is it not expected this would work or I am doing it >> w

Re: Should 'dnf install gtk3-devel.i686' work?

2016-01-21 Thread Ian Malone
On 21 January 2016 at 14:25, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > However I really think we need to sit down and rethink multilib. I would like > to start by changing the multilib method to runtime. So you only get runtime > libraries and nothing to build 32 bit apps on 64 bit. For 32 bit building you > sh

Re: Should 'dnf install gtk3-devel.i686' work?

2016-01-21 Thread Ian Malone
On 21 January 2016 at 15:15, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> On 21 January 2016 at 14:25, Dennis Gilmore wrote: >> >>> >>> However I really think we need to sit down and rethink multilib. I would >>> like &g

Re: Should 'dnf install gtk3-devel.i686' work?

2016-01-22 Thread Ian Malone
On 22 January 2016 at 09:05, Paul Howarth wrote: > On 21/01/16 22:24, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> Since RHEL/CentOS 7 already does not exist in a native 32bit version I >> do wonder what would actually be running in a hypothetical >> mock/container/VM to build and run 32 b

Re: Should 'dnf install gtk3-devel.i686' work?

2016-01-22 Thread Ian Malone
On 22 January 2016 at 13:38, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:53 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> On 22 January 2016 at 09:05, Paul Howarth wrote: >>> On 21/01/16 22:24, Ian Malone wrote: >>>> >>>> Since RHEL/CentOS 7 already does not exist in a

Re: Self-Reintroduction: DJ Delorie

2016-01-29 Thread Ian Malone
On 28 Jan 2016 19:42, "DJ Delorie" wrote: > > > I've been around for a while, but as I'm taking on a new role inside > Red Hat, I'll be showing up in different places here and upstream, so > I figured I'd refresh everyone's memory as well as announce the change :-) > Meanwhile, on LKML, "From: Li

Re: PATH contains at build time

2016-02-03 Thread Ian Malone
On 3 February 2016 at 14:35, Petr Pisar wrote: > On 2016-02-02, Florian Weimer wrote: >> May packages assume that /usr/sbin is on PATH when they are built? >> >> If you need a program which is currently only in /usr/sbin, should a >> package use an absolute path, or reset PATH to include /usr/sbi

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Ian Malone
On 3 February 2016 at 23:00, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Really, it is not realistic to expect people who need to urgently fix > something to write up a polite e-mail and wait possibly days for you to > reply (especially if you then answer that you don't want the change and more > days are wasted goi

building compose, selinux problems

2012-08-14 Thread Ian Malone
Hi, I'm trying to build a spin on F16 against F17 (specifically the fedora-jam spin, ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/music-creation spin-kickstarts/fedora-jam/fedora-live-jam-kde.ks, with the mono-bristol package removed). I'm using the command: # setenforce 0 # livecd-creator --config=/home/.../f

Re: building compose, selinux problems

2012-08-14 Thread Ian Malone
On 14 August 2012 08:49, Ian Malone wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to build a spin on F16 against F17 (specifically the > fedora-jam spin, ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/music-creation > spin-kickstarts/fedora-jam/fedora-live-jam-kde.ks, with the > mono-bristol package remo

Re: building compose, selinux problems

2012-08-14 Thread Ian Malone
On 14 August 2012 15:02, Brendan Jones wrote: > On 08/14/2012 12:45 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> On 14 August 2012 08:49, Ian Malone wrote: > > > Ian, have you go the latest version? There was an missing EOF tag in one of > the cat statements which could be causing p

Re: building compose, selinux problems

2012-08-14 Thread Ian Malone
On 14 August 2012 14:33, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > On 08/14/2012 03:49 AM, Ian Malone wrote: >> I'm trying to build a spin on F16 against F17 (specifically the fedora-jam >> spin, ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/music-creation >> spin-kickstarts/fedora-jam/fedora-live

Re: building compose, selinux problems

2012-08-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 14 August 2012 15:13, Ian Malone wrote: > On 14 August 2012 14:33, Daniel J Walsh wrote: >> On 08/14/2012 03:49 AM, Ian Malone wrote: > >>> I'm trying to build a spin on F16 against F17 (specifically the fedora-jam >>> spin, ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git

Re: building compose, selinux problems

2012-08-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 14 August 2012 15:10, Ian Malone wrote: > On 14 August 2012 15:02, Brendan Jones wrote: >> On 08/14/2012 12:45 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >>> >>> On 14 August 2012 08:49, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> >> Ian, have you go the latest version? There was an mi

Re: building compose, selinux problems

2012-08-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 15 August 2012 17:44, Brian C. Lane wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 08:49:15AM +0100, Ian Malone wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm trying to build a spin on F16 against F17 (specifically the >> fedora-jam spin, ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/music-creation >> spin

Re: building compose, selinux problems

2012-08-15 Thread Ian Malone
On 15 August 2012 17:52, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: > On 08/15/2012 10:44 AM, Brian C. Lane wrote: >> >> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 08:49:15AM +0100, Ian Malone wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm trying to build a spin on F16 against F17 (specific

dependency bug wodim/genisoimage

2012-09-02 Thread Ian Malone
Hi, think this is a dependency bug, though thought I'd check here before filing it. I'm building a F18 compose in a F18 mock root and getting these two errors, I've added coreutils explicitly to the kickstart, but it doesn't get installed till later in the process. readlink: Installing: genisoimag

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