My view - view mailing list as software - be tolerant what you accept
as input from others, and make your output conform to sensible standards.
Lead by example .. may the best example win.
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On 08/23/2010 02:19 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
A lowly user view here about popups ..
Whatever we do please make it an option NOT to have any window splat
on the screen anywhere - let it stay in the system tray and not
interfere with my work.
All the popup notifications are annoying and d
As an aside it is important to remember that solaris was moribund -
almost kaput- because most of the world had turned to linux in its stead
and its customer base shrinking - some die hards or those that didn't
want or weren't able to switch to linux for whatever reason.
Linux today is live and
On 08/29/2010 08:00 AM, Ralf Ertzinger wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:50:46 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote
>
>> As an aside it is important to remember that solaris was moribund -
>> almost kaput- because most of the world had turned to linux in its
>&g
On 08/31/2010 12:26 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 07:05, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
>> It depends on whether Fedora is a platform for development. If it is,
>> developers usually do not want many changes.
>>
>
> It depends on the type of developer and what they are doing
On 09/05/2010 09:53 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> Michal
>
> It's chromium not chrome.
>
As explained in the chrome bug report mentioned earlier in this thread
- there is a bug in nss-xx version 3.12.6 and earlier - please update to
newer version.
Do we need to file a bugzilla RFE to update nss
On 09/06/2010 05:22 AM, mike cloaked wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 1:59 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>>
>
> There is a build in koji for 3.12.7 for f13 (and f14):
> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=193535
> (which not yet in bodhi or updates-testing)
On 09/06/2010 01:14 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
> On 09/06/2010 05:22 AM, mike cloaked wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 1:59 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> There is a build in koji for 3.12.7 for f13 (and f14):
>> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji
On 09/07/2010 12:52 PM, Elio Maldonado wrote:
>>
> Gene,
>
> There is in now nss-3.12.7-4.fc13 in bodhi.
> Regarding
>
> error: Failed dependencies:
> pkgconfig(nss) is needed by (installed)
> evolution-data-server-devel-2.30.3-1.fc13.x86_64
>
> You could try a 'sudo yum update --verbo
On 09/23/2010 06:18 AM, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> Right?
>
> No, because with rawhide you get alpha and beta code. But "updating
> everything to the very latest thing all the time" would mean: User get
> what those that know the software best (upstream developers) suggest
> their users to use(¹)
On 10/01/2010 04:44 PM, Mike McLean wrote:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626209
> Reported against F13, but I've encountered it in F14 Beta.
>
> Seems like more folks ought to be impacted by this bug that seem to
> be, so I wonder what is going on here. Do less folks use ssh-add th
On 10/06/2010 11:26 AM, Thomas Woerner wrote:
> 6) Compatibility Mode
>
> The current static firewall model will still be available for
> compatibility for users or administrators creating their own firewall.
> This deactivates the firewall service and also the D-BUS daemon.
>
> ---
>
> C
I think RAID-5 support would be reasonably important to have too ... I
dont think we want to have raid on top of btrfs ... right?
Ric - what is the current status of RAID-5 ?
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On 07/14/2011 10:17 AM, Ric Wheeler wrote:
> On 07/14/2011 02:54 PM, Josef Bacik wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I think RAID-5 support would be reasonably important to have too ... I
>>> dont think w
On 07/14/2011 10:59 AM, Josef Bacik wrote:
>>
>> Another (Q) - once the format changes, will there be tools to change
>> the online format of existing filesystems - or will we need to delete
>> and start fresh ?
>>
>
> All format changes happen automatically (usually with a mount option
> so as
On 07/14/2011 11:12 AM, Eric Sandeen wrote:
> Something tells me if btrfs had been called "ext5" people would
> just nod their heads and move on. ;)
Heh ... like this ... Its not too late is it :-)
How about ext5-btrfs - and high level user space tools can shorten it
to ext5 :-)
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On 07/21/2011 07:09 AM, Steve Clark wrote:
> Well what benefit(s) does the new 'df' provide, is it worth all the pain
> it brings?
>
I concur - the current df behavior is well .. goofy :-) - however this
may be tricky to fix in the new world - but should be fixed.
If this behavior is someho
On 07/26/2011 08:03 AM, Misha Shnurapet wrote:
> 26.07.2011, 18:34, "Andrew Haley" :
>> On 26/07/11 10:22, Misha Shnurapet wrote:
>>
>>> Since F15 ~/bin has been added to PATH, and commands that are
>>> supposed to run user scripts will work without changing into that
>>> directory. Meanwhile, ~
On 07/26/2011 09:15 AM, Robert Marcano wrote:
> In /etc/skel/.bash_profile they are added to the end and I think that is ok
>
> PATH=$PATH:$HOME/.local/bin:$HOME/bin
>
> Never knew about ~/.local/bin my .bash_profile is really old from the
> time where the default was only ~/bin
Mmm ok ... Ca
On 07/26/2011 09:34 AM, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
> * Genes MailLists [26/07/2011 15:32] :
>>
>> Mmm ok ... Can I assume root is excepted from this?
>
> You can. That is the case.
>
> Emmanuel
>
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On 07/26/2011 03:34 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>
> I don't think it makes a lot of sense to have a visible directory for
> binaries. People will see that, and be annoyed.
Perhaps, but hiding things annoys many people more ... not a huge deal
as .config is not too hidden anyway ...
>
> Not
On 07/27/2011 01:23 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>
>> What specifically does systemd do that autofs does not do without it?
>
> I don't know if there is anything, but it's neat to get something like
> this 'free' with systemd, without having to add any other package.
Be a little wary.
This i
On 07/27/2011 12:19 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Wed, 27.07.11 17:40, Roman Rakus (rra...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>> from the discussion here, I'm tempted to revert the change. Any objections?
>
> Yes. I am for keeping it in, and have prepped a patch for XDG basedir to
> make it
On 07/27/2011 05:00 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On 7/27/11 1:09 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> Depends on the PATH-Order
>>
>> if something is intended to be first in PATH and any attacker is able
>> to write there his "ls" would win against "/bin/ls"
>
> So, the attacker can write a compromised ls in
On 07/28/2011 06:17 AM, David Sommerseth wrote:
>
> However, I find ~/.local an odd name. To whom or what is it 'local'? If
> you have home directories mounted via NFS and log into two different remote
> hosts via SSH - the only base is "local" to, is the user. But if you start
> a program whi
On 07/28/2011 07:53 AM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
> On 07/28/2011 12:46 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>> This is a good point. Especially when you start on a 64 bit box and
>> login to a 32 bit (or other arch) - bin now makes now sense at all. You
>> need arch specific
On 07/28/2011 08:41 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
> On 07/28/2011 07:53 AM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
>> On 07/28/2011 12:46 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>
>>> This is a good point. Especially when you start on a 64 bit box and
>>> login to a 32 bit (or other arch) - bin n
On 07/28/2011 09:09 AM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
> On 07/28/2011 01:41 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>> On 07/28/2011 07:53 AM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
>>> On 07/28/2011 12:46 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>>
>>>> This is a good point. Especially when you start on a 6
On 07/28/2011 10:35 AM, Braden McDaniel wrote:
> Really, sharing of $HOME can (and does) happen among much *more*
> disparate architectures than x86 and x86_64. We don't have to think
> about this as much these days now that MIPS and SPARC have waned in
> popularity; but the idea that we might st
On 07/28/2011 12:36 PM, David Sommerseth wrote:
>>
>
>> I don't follow your thought here - if you have a bin64/ and a bin/
>> etc and you have your shell initscripts decide (e.g. using uname -m)
>> which of those to include in your PATH I think it does work ... provided
>> you have (obviously) b
On 07/29/2011 10:16 PM, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 01:16:43AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> > i have running 2.6.40-4.fc15.x86_64 #1 SMP in my testing-virtual-machine
> since
> > some minutes, boot looked fine, after a minute a got a btrfs-stack-trace
> >
> > hope this hel
On 07/29/2011 10:41 PM, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:29:58PM -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
>
> > wasn't there some kind of issue in vm's ? Maybe I'm not remembering
> > correctly.
>
> too vague to comment. there are always 'issu
On 07/30/2011 04:48 AM, Ryan Rix wrote:
...
> Reading the hackernews comments on it makes me wonder if this is a very good
> idea. It may work for people in certain usecases, but in the case of Fedora
> probably not so much
>
> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2756952
> http://news.ycombina
On 07/30/2011 10:37 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Sat, 30.07.11 10:31, Genes MailLists (li...@sapience.com) wrote:
>
>>>> http://cafbit.com/entry/rapid_dhcp_or_how_do
>>>
>
> IIRC connman (i.e. NM's competition) can do the ARP magic, too.
>
> L
On 07/30/2011 12:52 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 30.07.2011 04:29, schrieb Genes MailLists:
>> wasn't there some kind of issue in vm's ?
>> Maybe I'm not remembering correctly
>
> no - performance sucks if the VM is stored on a BTRFS formatted disk
>
On 07/30/2011 06:49 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
>
> NM already keeps DHCP information around based on the network you're
> connecting to, so we don't need to ARP a bunch of servers just to
> determine whether the DHCP server we wanted is still there. dhclient is
Cool - so is NM already pretty opt
On 07/31/2011 12:35 AM, Chuck Anderson wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 11:30:30PM -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
>> On 07/30/2011 06:49 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
>>> ...
>>> So we could presumptuously configure the interface
>>> with the previous address from
On 08/02/2011 02:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-07-31 at 15:37 -0300, Sergio Belkin wrote:
>> I've read
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/Common#Laptop_screen_dims_when_switching_to_battery_power_or_idle_mode_but_never_brightens_again
>>
>> My system suffers the same symptoms but
On 08/08/2011 08:55 AM, Josef Bacik wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Matej Cepl wrote:
>> On 8.8.2011 14:44, Josef Bacik wrote:
>>> I appreciate those who will continue to use it and report bugs, we are
>>> working very hard on trying to get everything more stable and it is a
>>> slow goin
On 08/11/2011 11:58 PM, Manuel Escudero wrote:
> Hi, I was Wondering if there was a tool for Linux in general
> that let me undo the system changes at reboot or something
> like that, For example:
>
> I want to set a standard configuration in a machine and then
> let that machine to be used by ma
On 08/21/2011 05:09 PM, Steve Clark wrote:
>>> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html
>>>
>>> Read the part about "Parallelizing Socket Services". It explains why
>>> socket actviation is interesting,
>> I find a secure OS interesting. Bootup speed does not matter much to me.
>>
>> -Steve
>
On 08/22/2011 07:07 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-08-21 at 17:09 -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
>
>>> -Steve
>> Obviously a lot on this list value boot up speed over security!
>
> You're making a false assumption, which is that socket activation is
> only about speed. It's also about resou
Are there any plans to bring gimp 2.7.x -> 2.8 into F16 ?
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On 08/25/2011 10:28 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote:
> As well, installing both stable versions side-by-side isn't an option as
> you can't install them into the same prefix: the libraries have the same
> SONAME, the new ones are expected to be ABI compatible. Therefore I
> don't see a real alternative
On 08/25/2011 12:00 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>> On 08/25/2011 10:28 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote:
>>
>>> As well, installing both stable versions side-by-side isn't an option as
>>> you can't insta
On 08/25/2011 01:18 PM, Nils Philippsen wrote:
>
> Side-by-side means into the same prefix. You can only have one gimp
> version installed into the /usr prefix, you're free to install a
> different one into /opt/gimp-x.y or somewhere into your home if you're
> an ordinary user.
>
> Nils
Ah tha
On 09/07/2011 09:57 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>
> %changelog isn't for developers. It's for users to see what the
> developers changed in the package.
>
Would a git-shortlog suffice for %changelog ? Assuming appropriate
comments are required for fedora's git repo.
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On 09/07/2011 12:42 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>
>
> Unless of course you meant "have fedpkg automatically stick a
> git-shortlog into the %changelog section of the spec file on commit"
> or something. Then.. maybe.
Yah I meant this one .. :-)
>
> And yes, this assumes in all cases that develo
On 09/07/2011 01:50 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Rich Megginson on 09/07/2011 12:44 PM wrote:
>> git log --oneline TAG-OF-PREVIOUS-RELEASE.. | cat
>>
>> the | cat (or | more) is needed because git log will truncate lines
>
> This is not what I meant.
>
> Upstream may have had 20-30 commits in
On 09/13/2011 05:58 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 09/14/2011 02:59 AM, Sérgio Basto wrote:
>> So Fedora guys what you are waiting for ? update systemd please , should
>> I open a report in bugzilla ?
>
> I can explain each of your examples but since systemd upstream developer
> is also the Fedor
On 09/13/2011 08:34 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Genes MailLists <mailto:li...@sapience.com>> wrote:
>
> The kernel has undergone more updates than systemd ... all for very
> good reasons - making it better and solv
On 09/13/2011 09:48 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 09/14/2011 06:47 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>> Good points - up to a point - but lets go slow and think for a few
>> minutes - unlike the kernel which is very hardware dependent and
>> therefore may run on many machines but n
On 09/14/2011 01:42 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
>> Honestly, if systemd updates has 5% of users failing on an update to
>> the software - we should dump the thing immediately and go back to
>> upstart. That is insanely high bug rate for core code which is (or
>> should be) pretty simple.
>
> R
On 09/15/2011 02:14 PM, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:27:29 +0100
>
> Many computers are booted very rarely, once a day or so, and then
> sit idle for very long periods of time. This is very wasteful. The
> reason people do this is because booting takes a long time compared to
> st
On 09/16/2011 05:01 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 05:17:43PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> True. As far as GNOME goes, though, whenever you suggest 'bulletproof
>> session management', they say 'that's what suspend is for'...
>
> I'd like to see proper session management. Ho
On 09/16/2011 05:05 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-09-15 at 14:32 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
>>--
>> (i) Server.
>>--
>>
>> These run all the time - reboots are most often in maintenance
>> window (
On 10/08/2011 04:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> if there would be much more care by introducing new features/replacements
> my understanding for the fear of update thmen after that would be much higher
>
> as long fedora is shooting out new features without any care if they are
> really ready fdora
Also, FYI, you you can disable it (as alternative to deleting):
unset -f command_not_found_handle
in your .bashrc ...
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On 03/23/2011 07:58 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Jochen Schmitt wrote:
>> If you want to get firefox4 on Fedora 14 now, the only way is to use
>> the private firefox4 repository on
>>
Or you can simply download it direct from mozilla.org and install it
in /usr/local/
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On 03/23/2011 08:36 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
> On 03/23/2011 07:58 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Jochen Schmitt wrote:
>>> If you want to get firefox4 on Fedora 14 now, the only way is to use
>>> the private firefox4 repository on
>>>
>
>
>Or you c
On 03/25/2011 07:38 AM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, den 24.03.2011, 14:48 -0700 schrieb Henrique Junior:
>
>> It may sound a little off-topic to this thread, but since we are
>> talking about bring new stuff into F14 I would like to know the
>> opinion of you, guys, about the new ope
On 03/25/2011 12:21 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> what fails and i could spit mozilla in the face because they
> are still ignoring x86_64, guys we are living in 2011 :-(
>
>
mozilla definitely puts out 64 bit firefox-4 and thunderbird starting
swith 3.3 series as well.
fedora builds like
>
> As long as packages for Rawhide are not signed, any recommendation to
> use them on production systems is a step backwards for Fedora. Actually
> there should be more prominent recommendations not to use Rawhide on
> production systems.
>
Yah ... also rawhide, a rolling build, and a roll
On 04/08/2011 04:25 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
>>
>> Would it make more sense to refer to these as "Alpha Candidate", "Beta
>> Candidate" and "Release Candidate" ? ac{1,2,3}, bc{1,2}, rc1 ?
>>
...
>
> How about the sequence:
> Fn-Alpha-Pre.
On 04/08/2011 05:14 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 16:37 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
> The actual pre-releases - Alpha, Beta - get distributed and promoted far
> and wide; they're required to meet certain quality standards to ensure
>
> Your sch
On 04/25/2011 04:35 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 04/25/2011 01:46 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>> PackageKit frequently *breaks* the yum command line, because it has
>> some unkillable (self-resurrecting) process that acquires a lock and
>> prevents yum from running. It's a bug that we can't re
On 04/26/2011 10:19 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> James Antill wrote:
There may well be plenty of good uses for such a soft dependency ..
For example it sounds useful for R which has a hard depend on texlive
at the moment - but its only used for docs - so it would be way way
better to be a soft
On 04/29/2011 05:43 AM, Mathieu Bridon wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-04-29 at 02:29 -0700, Ryan Rix wrote:
>> On Tue 26 April 2011 21:58:08 Mathieu Bridon wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 15:43 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
it is better to have the package (even if it's poorly
maintained) than to no
On 05/04/2011 11:43 AM, Honza Horak wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just wonder what is the difference between /etc/aliases and
> /etc/mail/aliases, if any. I guess /etc/aliases is only newer location
> of the same file, am I right?
>
> I'm thinking of this because ypserv uses /etc/mail/aliases by default,
On 05/18/2011 09:06 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 07:42:17PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
>>
>> You know, it's not like there is a choice for many models ...
>
> That's really not a given. For anything short of us having to send http
> requests, there's no fundamental reason wh
Best I can tell the current version of memtest86+ in Fedora is v4.10
which is too old for Sandy Bridge which needs version v4.20.
Anyone know if there is some reason we haven't updated to the current
version (released January 2011) ?
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On 06/01/2011 09:59 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>
> Best I can tell the current version of memtest86+ in Fedora is v4.10
> which is too old for Sandy Bridge which needs version v4.20.
>
> Anyone know if there is some reason we haven't updated to the current
> version
On 06/02/2011 04:44 AM, Jaroslav Skarvada wrote:
> - Original Message -
> 4.20 is in rawhide since March 07. I will push it to f14/f15 also. Please
> file a bug next time
>
> thanks & regards
>
> Jaroslav
>
Thanks - I did file a bug and see that you replied to the bug too - so
thank
On 06/02/2011 10:32 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> On 06/02/2011 09:07 AM, seth vidal wrote:
>> +1 - I've found the impact of bash completion on disconnected machines
>> to be negative. I don't install it anymore for that reason.
>
> Sounds like a bug instead of a con.
+1 : Due to horrible p
On 06/02/2011 01:14 PM, Josef Bacik wrote:
>>
>
> These sort of issues are my priority and I've spent the last 2 months
> specifically working on the kvm performance differences between ext4
> and btrfs. Now we're not on par with ext4 yet, but we aren't 2-3
> times slower any more, maybe at the
On 06/09/2011 06:37 PM, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 02:00:57PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
Long list already from others but a couple of other things that are
nice (dont know if qemu has these today, but didn't used to)
(i) Variable size image for the VM
- it grows
On 06/10/2011 03:13 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> what would be really nice is to redirect systemd discussions to its
> upstream mailing list. Fedora devel is hardly the best place for it.
>
> Rahul
Beg to differ - rather vehemently too - politely but vehemently.
systemd is only available
On 06/12/2011 12:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> is there any clean way to get newer intel-graphics drivers
> on fedora 14? performance is horrible and under kde the
> desktop often hangs for some seconds
>
> this is nothing i would expect with http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=52213
>
>
>
>
On 06/12/2011 07:59 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
>>>
>> I have done this and its working - I've used rawhide with 2.6.39
>> kernel and also F15. See my comments below. I'll describe what you need
>> to do using subset of F15.
>
> this forces a GLIBC-Upgrade, see my others posts
Yes - I sai
On 06/12/2011 08:40 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 13.06.2011 02:29, schrieb Genes MailLists:
>> Perhaps this is not the way for you if you find it confusing ... my
>> suggestion then is deal with systemd and its bugs/quirks or perhaps
>> install F15 and replace systemd with
On 06/13/2011 03:13 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
...
>
> systemd surpasses Upstart in every way. It's not in an "early
> state". Upstart is much more limited and hence in a much earlier state
> feature-wise.
>
...
>
> Lennart
>
Superior design - yes I like it - but in practice there are stil
On 06/13/2011 11:39 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
. At this point I am
> going to ask for someone from the Community Working Group to step in
> and see how we can better get along here. If you have a problem with
> that, I think it would be better if you took some time off and did
> something els
On 06/13/2011 08:14 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Henrik Wejdmark wrote:
>> I have been with this distro since RH4 and have had a great time doing so.
>> Almost every upgrade has been really smooth with only a few minor setbacks
>> like an odd broken dependency that was easily fixed, but F15 is the end
On 06/13/2011 08:54 PM, Scott Schmit wrote:
> Not addressing specifically the issue with the kernel updates, but at
> least in part, the answer is simple:
> * Within a release, updates should try very hard to avoid breaking
> things.
> * Between releases, upgrades can change a lot. These changes
On 06/14/2011 12:27 PM, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote:
> On 06/14/2011 07:31 AM, seth vidal wrote:
>> On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 11:25 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>>> I've installed XFCE. It was easy to install, and it works sanely
>>> (unlike GNOME 3 / Unity).
>>
>>
>> And you can add some interestin
On 06/14/2011 02:32 PM, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote:
> On 06/14/2011 11:24 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
>
> Its worked super well for me (though less well with GNOME3's effects
> etc)... Can you point me to what you mean by the usual info into
> xorg.conf? to be clear, I d
On 06/17/2011 11:36 PM, Evandro Giovanini wrote:
those who are want to rewrite/modify GNOME3.
>
> No, I'm not. There are several working extensions *today*, I'm simply
> suggesting that people not 100% satisfied with the default GNOME 3
> experience go out there and experiment with them.
>
> It'
On 06/20/2011 01:22 PM, Paul Wouters wrote:
...
>
> gnome3 was not driven by user feedbak. It was driven by getting vendors
> to install it on factory shipped netbooks.
Perhaps, tho I suspect Android won that market already ... but perhaps
its worth a shot, things can change.
>
> Again, I'
On 06/24/2011 04:07 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 06/24/2011 12:55 PM, JB wrote:
>> JB gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_computing
>>
>> TC is controversial because it is technically possible not just to secure the
>> hardware for its owner, but also to secure against
I am getting a lot of these in kernel 3.0-0.rc5.git0.1.fc16.x86_64
testing on F15 - i915 - happens on wake from sleep I think. Is this
advisory/benign or a problem ?
thanks
gene/.
-- /var/log/messages --
Jun 29 08:37:25 lap3 kernel: [72538.407
I'm still seeing these kinds of rcu_dereference_check() messages from
kernel 3.0-0.rc5.git0.1.fc16.x86_64
Same problem on rc3 git5.
Seems to happen when laptop is woken from sleep - I think.
gene/
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Jun 28 08:49:59 lap3 kernel: [ 39.5
On 06/29/2011 01:22 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 12:58 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
>>
>> I am getting a lot of these in kernel 3.0-0.rc5.git0.1.fc16.x86_64
>> testing on F15 - i915 - happens on wake from sleep I think. Is this
>> advisory/beni
On 06/29/2011 01:48 PM, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 01:40:06PM -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
>
> > I thought so - glad its benign ... I assume the messages will
> > sometimes be useful to the kernel team ...
> >
> > so should I keep mention
On 06/30/2011 12:16 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
>> - I was afraid, that it would be against some Fedora policy ;) Then just
>> the rawhide..
>
>
> Okay if this isn't coming to F15, can you provide the sufficient
> instructions on how to revert
On 06/30/2011 12:16 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:
>> - I was afraid, that it would be against some Fedora policy ;) Then just
>> the rawhide..
>
>
> Okay if this isn't coming to F15, can you provide the sufficient
> instructions on how to revert
On 06/30/2011 08:26 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> Well, updates-testing is 'you get to keep both halves' territory.
wasn't it stable that broke things (sealert stopped working for example
after a stable update) - and then something from updates testing was
supposed to fix it? But it never made
On 06/30/2011 10:44 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 22:04 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
>> On 06/30/2011 08:26 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Well, updates-testing is 'you get to keep both halves' territory.
>>
>&
On 07/08/2011 04:47 AM, Paul F. Johnson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Something strange has happened on my system. At the start of last
> week, / was reporting that I had about 8Gb free. It now reports that /
> is completely full.
>
..
>
> Any ideas?
>
Probably should be users list not dev (unless you're
On 07/08/2011 10:06 AM, JB wrote:
>
> This entry is passed to systemd for execution, as is !
> It is the responsibility of systemd to parse it, determine what entry it is
> (you could put in there any garbage, perhaps a virus, rootkit, etc), then if
> a valid executable entry then it should valid
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