Re: Disabling drm/ttm/radeon module loading for debugging

2010-01-23 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/23/2010 09:08 AM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > Hello, > > How can I make sure drm/radeon/ttm modules are not loaded, > until I do it manually myself? > > I extracted the initrd image, edited the 'init' script and > commented out loading of the modules, repacked the initrd, > and booted but someth

Re: F14 TC2 x86_64b

2010-08-03 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 08/03/2010 07:25 PM, John Reiser wrote: >> Ok, so this compose seems to have anaconda-14.14. When trying to do an >> nfs install, once I put in the server/directory information, it shows it >> connecting and trying to pull up the gui. But after that, my monitor >> just stays black and nothing

Re: F14TC2 x86_64 problem

2010-08-05 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 08/05/2010 09:06 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a way around this problem? > > I'm trying to install from DVD the TC2 image on the laptop (HP DV6 > 2113SA). When I click to trash the HD, the installer dies on me saying > there is an error and asking me if I want to debug. I get the s

Re: What does the DVD media check if installing a new Fedora version? / Proposal

2010-08-13 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 08/13/2010 04:32 AM, Joachim Backes wrote: > Hi, > > having the following question: What does the DVD/CD media check exactly > if booting a Fedora DVD/CD? Is it the sha256sum? If yes, why this media > check, because it could be done after having burned the DVD? > > If not, is it possible to perf

Re: FYI: rawhide now requires systemd to boot by default

2010-09-18 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 09/17/2010 02:18 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: > While upstart is still in the repo, the initscripts package now pulls > in systemd and systemd-sysvinit. > > Bill from todays 201009218 rawhide update (bz'd on the yum site as #593): sudo yum --enablerepo=mash --skip-broken update . Updating

Re: e4defrag support?

2010-10-06 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/05/2010 11:01 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: > > cool! I suppose I could turn it on in rawhide, or you could just > build your own e2fsprogs to get it ... > > -Eric > Cool if you turn it on in rawhide. Helps those of us who are build challenged :-). I can test in raid and LV environments. Re

Re: e4defrag support?

2010-10-06 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/06/2010 02:01 PM, Eric Sandeen wrote: > > OK gang, it's in e2fsprogs-1.41.12-6.fc15 > > you have to invoke it with "-test" options to make it go ;) > > Word of warning, it's not had a lot of attention, and the whole > design could change in the future, but it's something to play with :) > > -

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-10-31 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/31/2010 03:18 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sun, 31 Oct 2010 04:37:38 +0100, Kevin wrote: > >> Martin Stransky wrote: >>> there's a new Firefox update waiting in Bodhi and we can't push it to >>> stable because of new rules. We recommend you to update to it ASAP as it >>> fixes a public cr

Re: rawhide openssh-server update kills sshd

2011-07-26 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 07/26/2011 12:22 PM, Jim Meyering wrote: > > service ssh restart Would that be: service sshd restart ? -- Regards, OldFart -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Default services enabled

2011-08-18 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 08/18/2011 06:29 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Thu, 18.08.11 12:33, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: > >> >> Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: Oh, I just noticed this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines:Systemd#Socket_activation

Re: openssh: no pre-release sanity check? [Re: ssh-to-rawhide hangs

2011-09-11 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 09/11/2011 04:33 AM, Jim Meyering wrote: > darrell pfeifer wrote: >> Fails for me too, with the same error. > > Thanks for confirming that. > > I don't mean to be rude or inflammatory, but do have to wonder how such > a fundamentally-broken package was released -- even to rawhide. In the > fedo

Re: openssh: no pre-release sanity check? [Re: ssh-to-rawhide hangs

2011-09-11 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 09/11/2011 06:19 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: >> Maybe there needs to be a classification for rawhide similar to the >> karma system for updates-testing, but limited to just a set of packages >> that should just always work (maybe openssh would be one).

Re: openssh: no pre-release sanity check? [Re: ssh-to-rawhide hangs

2011-09-12 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 09/12/2011 07:39 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: >> Didn't say like, said similar. Don't you test your changes somehow? Or >> do you just toss the mods over the wall and hope for the best? I don't >> think so. Share your test cases

Re: Development to release quality

2011-09-12 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 09/12/2011 06:01 AM, Matej Cepl wrote: > > > Too much QA (or any external QA) imposed on the development make it > slower. Compare Linux v. OpenSolaris kernel development. Fedora tries to > be very fast developing distro, thus less QA in the development version. > Ah yes, the ol' QA conundrum.

Re: Development to release quality

2011-09-12 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 09/12/2011 10:17 AM, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > > Sure, we need QA, but for rawhide the development shouldn't be totally > stalled as it is already in F16 right now, where updates for critpath > packages, even when they have several hundred thousands of tests > performed already during package build

Re: What do rawhide testers want and expect?

2011-09-12 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 09/12/2011 11:57 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > In reading the long trash each other fest that accompanies pre-release > jitters, could we start on a cleaner plate? What do the people who are > using rawhide day-in/day-out expect out of the channel? What level of > pain does someone like Jona

Re: BTRFS on LVM causes long fedora-storage-init run?

2011-10-07 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/07/2011 11:31 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: > I posted this on the main mailing list but didn't get any hits. > Hopefully I'll have better luck here. > --- > > I found the following thread but I don't think mine is the same problem: > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-June/100861

Re: BTRFS on LVM causes long fedora-storage-init run?

2011-10-07 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/07/2011 12:57 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Tomasz Torcz wrote: >> Do you have caches enabled and fully built? Remounting with >> "-o space_cache,inode_cache" will enable them. Then wait few minutes >> for caches to be built (I/O will stop when they're ready). Subsequent >> mounts s

Re: Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

2011-10-08 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/08/2011 05:43 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Since Mozilla switched to the new rapid release model, Firefox in Fedora > is no longer fun: Every 6 weeks a new major version hits our stable > release and breaks Firefox horribly: >* My favorite extensions (and actually the only thing tha

Re: [Test-Announce] Proventesters meetup 2011-10-12 at 18UTC

2011-10-12 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/11/2011 04:05 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > We are going to be having another proventesters meetup tomorrow on IRC > in #fedora-meeting at 18:00UTC. > > Purpose of meetup: Brainstorm ideas on improving testing and processes > for testing updates. > > * Intro/gather more agenda items > > * Recruiti

Re: systemd - standard place to run stuff after the network is up?

2011-10-17 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/17/2011 10:20 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > I want to try to modprobe netconsole during boot, but it needs to happen > after the network is up. Is there any standard place (rc.local and > modules-load seem to happen too early) to do this? > > I filed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id

Re: systemd - standard place to run stuff after the network is up?

2011-10-17 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/17/2011 01:10 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: > On 10/17/2011 10:20 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> I want to try to modprobe netconsole during boot, but it needs to happen >> after the network is up. Is there any standard place (rc.local and >> modules-load seem to happen

Re: What's this /run directory doing on my system and where does it come from?

2011-03-30 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 03/30/2011 07:54 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Heya, > > I just uploaded a new version of systemd into F15, which establishes a > directory /run in the root directory. Most likely you'll sooner or later > stumble over it, so here's an explanation what this is and why this is. > > It's a fairly

Re: xorg-x11 gone squiffy in rawhide?

2011-04-21 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 04/21/2011 11:40 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > Just done quite a big update to my rawhide box, performed a reboot and have > been left without an x server. I thought it was the xserver, so downgraded > to 1.10.99.1-2.20110418.fc16, but still the same problem. > > I'm getting a segfault at ad

Re: Fedora 15 / Gnome 3 gotchas

2011-05-07 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 05/07/2011 12:50 PM, Mario Blättermann wrote: > Am 07.05.2011 16:51, schrieb Richard W.M. Jones: >> On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 03:58:51PM +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote: >>> On Sat, 2011-04-16 at 11:05 +0100, Camilo Mesias wrote: > GNOME 3. We need a new GNOME as close as possible to the old o

Re: Fedora 15 / Gnome 3 gotchas

2011-05-07 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 05/07/2011 01:23 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sat, 07 May 2011 13:15:11 -0400, CEK wrote: > >> >> >> >>> > > It's entertaining already to see how people [try to] leave Ubuntu because > of Unity, and to hear that they like Fedora 15's GNOME 3 better. ;) (sorry, going way off topic, but

Status of btrfs in rawhide

2011-05-10 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
Hi, Is rawhide following current btrfs development releases with kernel patches and userland programs? Or, should we role our own? I am interested in testing only. TIA -- Regards, OldFart -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 15 Final Release Candidate 1 (RC1) Available Now!

2011-05-11 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 05/11/2011 03:27 PM, Andre Robatino wrote: > As per the Fedora 15 schedule [1], Fedora 15 Final Release Candidate 1 > (RC1) is now available for testing. Please see the following pages for > download links and testing instructions. > > Installation: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Result

Re: Special thanks to gnome3 and systemd developers

2011-05-18 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 05/18/2011 10:20 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > While everyone that worked on the F15 release deserves thanks and congrats, > I'd like to give a special thanks to the systemd and gnome3 developers because > of the large amount of work needed to implement those features. By working > hard to get th

Re: rawhide report: 20110520 changes

2011-05-20 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 05/20/2011 05:35 AM, Rawhide Report wrote: > kernel-2.6.39-0.fc16 > > * Thu May 19 2011 Dave Jones > - Update to 2.6.39 final. > > * Sat May 14 2011 Kyle McMartin > - Update to v2 of Mel Gorman's SLUB patchset > Above didn't update installed 2.6.39-0.rc7.git6.1.fc16.x86_64.

Re: Are 3.0 kernels working for anyone?

2011-06-10 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 06/10/2011 02:19 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > The 3.0 kernels are not working for me. (A cpu lockup is reporting during > boot.) I am wondering if things are broken for everyone where I should > probably just wait for updates and try again, or if I should get a picture > of the traceback and fil

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 06/10/2011 04:44 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 06/11/2011 12:36 AM, mike cloaked wrote: >>> Would be nice to see the systemd author join this discussion? >> >> I am sure you can get answers when someone is off vacation. However >> what w

Re: Gnome borked?

2011-06-20 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 06/20/2011 06:46 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > After doing a rather large update to my rawhide box, it seems that it > no longer wants to play fair with Gnome giving a very unfriendly > "Something has gone wrong which I can't recover from. You should > logout and try again" message. Other th

Re: Koji: filter by dist-release

2011-06-21 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 06/21/2011 01:56 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/builds > > is there any way to get this filtered only for F15 or whatever is used? > > Maybe try: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ then select Fedora 15. You may need a FAS account, not sure. -- Regards

Re: Trusted Boot in Fedora

2011-06-24 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 06/24/2011 04:07 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 06/24/2011 12:55 PM, JB wrote: >> JB gmail.com> writes: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_computing >> >> TC is controversial because it is technically possible not just to secure the >> hardware for its owner, but also to secure against

Re: Trusted Boot in Fedora

2011-06-24 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 06/24/2011 11:04 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 06/24/2011 09:55 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote >> Rahul, >> >> Seems he is using references to support contentions...like a scholarly >> journal article. With respect, just as you are free to criticize on >> these mail

Re: Fesco membership policies

2011-11-14 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 11/14/2011 11:19 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> Something that was brought up at the last fesco meeting is that >> fesco membership is currently restricted to members of the packaging >> group. That's arguably overly restrictive - fesco is

Re: Non-responsive maintainer ?

2011-12-06 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 12/06/2011 05:26 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 11:08:32PM +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: >> > It might be interesting to run this script across every single user > in the Fedora accounts system, and proactively identify any users > whom have not done anything in Fedor

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-12 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 11/12/2010 02:32 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > Till Maas writes: >> > > It's absolutely crystal clear to me that we don't have enough tester > manpower to make the current policy workable; it's past time to stop > denying that. I'd suggest narrowing the policy to a small number of > critical packages

Re: The new Update Acceptance Criteria are broken

2010-11-13 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 11/12/2010 11:14 PM, Tom Lane wrote: > "Clyde E. Kunkel" writes: >> > The major packages that I work with have regression test suites, > which in fact get run as part of the RPM build sequence. It's not > apparent to me that I should need to invent some m

Re: NFS in rawhide

2010-11-17 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 11/17/2010 02:26 PM, Jon Masters wrote: > On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 14:14 -0500, Ric Wheeler wrote: >> > > Yes, thanks Ric, your reply to me was most helpful. > > Jon. What was the reply? TIA Regards, OldFart -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mai

Re: old_testing_critpath notifications

2010-12-02 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 12/02/2010 02:25 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 14:10 -0500, Doug Ledford wrote: > >> My package in question (mdadm) is only used in certain circumstances, >> but if it isn't right, systems fail to boot. I can certainly see why >> something that can render a machine unbootab

Re: ABRT opt-out (was Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo meeting)

2010-12-09 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 12/09/2010 08:59 AM, Jiri Moskovcak wrote: > > - debuginfo-install is just a fallback if ABRT fails to retrieve the > debuginfo itself (and ABRT doesn't need the root privs, as is *does not* > install the packages, it just unpacks them) > > Jirka Currently, abrt says the debuginfo packages ar

Re: boot hang at the loopback interface in rawhide?

2011-01-14 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/13/2011 10:59 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > For some reason, boot is hanging with today's rawhide update -- I get stuck > at "Bringing up loopback interface". Oddly, if I boot into runlevel 1, lo is > there just fine. (But if I telinit 5 from there, it immediately tries to > bring it up again a

Re: Debugging 20s pause in boot time in rawhide

2011-01-16 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/16/2011 02:32 AM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > There's a twenty second pause in my boot sequence, shown below, before GDM > starts and I'm not certain if it's in NetworkManager waiting on org.bluez, > bluez itself or the bluez systemd unit file. (Or maybe I'm completely off.) > Later on, the blu

Re: rawhide report: 20110129 changes

2011-01-29 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/29/2011 09:21 AM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >> New package: ghc-process-leksah-1.0.1.4-2.fc15 >> Haskell process-leksah library > > Is it not possible to try a little harder to write a useful package > summary? Or for the package reviewer to take just a quick look and > notice

Re: rawhide report: 20110129 changes

2011-01-29 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/29/2011 09:56 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > That would probably be hard in general. I like to put in URLs to upstream > announcements and/or change logs into the spec file change log. > I didn't see that reply to was just to Mr. Wolff. Here is the msg: On 01/29/2011 09:56 AM, Bruno Wolf

Re: rawhide report: 20110129 changes

2011-01-29 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/29/2011 10:58 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: >> On 01/29/2011 09:21 AM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >>>> New package: ghc-process-leksah-1.0.1.4-2.fc15 >>>> Haskell process-leksah library &g

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 02/27/2011 09:55 AM, Mike Chambers wrote: > > I used to be able to hover my mouse over the time and at least it would > tell me the date instead of having to click on it just to see it. > try: $ gsettings set org.gnome.shell.clock show-date true -- Regards, OldFart -- devel mailing list d

Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)

2012-10-17 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 10/17/2012 11:55 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2012-10-17 at 16:05 +0200, Dario Lesca wrote: Il giorno mer, 17/10/2012 alle 08.37 -0500, David Lehman ha scritto: to keep you on your toes, of course you forgot ;-) ... because if you're talking seriously this is a wild unacceptable answ

Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)

2012-11-21 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 11/21/2012 03:01 PM, David Lehman wrote: Yes. I've just completed testing of patches for this stuff. It was decided that it's too late to try to get them into the Beta. I can provide you with an updates image that adds the functionality if you are interested. David I, for one, would be in

Re: Where are we going? (Not a rant)

2012-12-07 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 12/08/2012 12:07 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: Why does there need to be a long-term support for Fedora? Why not just use Red Hat Enterprise Linux? I imagine it boils down to money since Fedora=free and RHEL=$$$. Corporate suits will will weigh cost of Fedora support vs RHEL support

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins? JBG I don't know if it is still the case, but historically you could NOT specify a file system different from t

Re: F19 DVD over size - what to drop?

2013-05-03 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 05/03/2013 12:30 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 05/03/2013 04:22 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins? JBG I

Re: Status to make btsfs to the standard filesystem of Fedora

2013-01-16 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/16/2013 12:00 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I haven't seen any recent activity in Fedora from him. Have you? Rahul Some patches on the btrfs list on Jan 7 and 8, 2013. -- Regards, OldFart -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/lis

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/23/2013 11:55 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Greetings. As some of you may know, I switched my laptop over to rawhide and have been posting a series of blogs about the various issues I have run into in the last month. To recap from those: - xfce4-session crash: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/sho

Re: [rawhide] ideas to improve rawhide

2013-01-23 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/23/2013 12:25 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:08:21 -0500 "Clyde E. Kunkel" wrote: Would issues with specific 3.8 kernel drivers affecting rawhide be a candidate? Candidate for a tracker bug? Perhaps. It would depend on how widespread the issue is. Definitely

Re: Help figure out the debug slowness

2013-01-27 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 01/27/2013 06:12 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:44:43 -0600, Justin M. Forbes wrote: kernel-3.8.0-0.rc4.git5.1.fc19.x86_64 is significantly slower than the previous release for all graphical activities. For me the opposite is true. It is (subjectively) faster than

Re: rawhide report: 20130223 changes

2013-02-23 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 02/23/2013 03:48 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: mygui - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=5047260 No idea what should be providing libCommon.so for it. maybe should be libcommon vice libCommon? -- Regards, OldFart -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.f

Re: system freezes after loading gdm/gnome

2013-02-25 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 02/25/2013 09:26 AM, Jan Dvořák wrote: Hi, I am running rawhide for fun and since a few days ago a few seconds after starting gdm the whole system freezes. I am sorry that I can't really pinpoint the exact update as I suspend and this only manifested after a reboot. The problem is that I don

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

2013-03-13 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 03/13/2013 11:51 AM, Felix Miata wrote: On 2013-03-13 17:29 (GMT+0200) Sebastian Mäki composed: * remove the hood of the car, and keep it off in case something goes wrong, or to entice new drivers to look in there and guess what is going on. * keep the hood of the car on, and if something go

Re: RFC: Fedora revamp proposal

2013-03-13 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 03/13/2013 12:02 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: 2) You can take the longer release time, get the new codebase in and done and then you are in much better shape moving forward. We choose 2. (Anaconda folks, feel free to drop in and correct me if I got anything wrong). I can't see much way to explai