Re: F24 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2015-12-07 Thread Björn Persson
t numbers are obviously chosen to get through overzealous firewalls. All too often everything except TCP port 443 is blocked or tampered with. It is certainly far from ideal, which is why it's right to do it only as a last resort when all other ways are blocked. Björn Persson pgpS97kboMIPn.

Re: F24 System Wide Change: Default Local DNS Resolver

2015-12-07 Thread Björn Persson
Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mon, 07.12.15 15:31, Björn Persson (Bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote: > > > Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > You *have* to use the local DNS servers by default, even if they are > > > crap. > > > > I for one want my laptop

Re: Can Koji handle a soname change and a self-dependency?

2015-12-13 Thread Björn Persson
Dan Horák wrote: > On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 11:32:44 +0100 > Björn Persson wrote: > > > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 15:46:26 +0100 > > > Björn Persson wrote: > > > > GPRbuild is > > > > linked to XMLada, and both GPRbuild and X

Re: Can Koji handle a soname change and a self-dependency?

2015-12-13 Thread Björn Persson
Björn Persson wrote: > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > So, ideally here, there's a new gcc upgrade, the gcc maintainer > > would build with a compat-libgnat subpackage that installs libgnat > > in another place. Then they build the new gcc without it. You then > > can bui

security of the lookaside cache (was: frafra uploaded yumex-dnf-4.1.6.tar.gz for yumex-dnf)

2015-12-30 Thread Björn Persson
possible to do this at this time, except maybe to certain well-funded government agencies around the world, who may have made further advances attacking MD5 than the open cryptographic community has. But still, why are we still using MD5? Björn Persson pgplcd9pkFqgg.pgp Description: OpenP

Re: security of the lookaside cache

2015-12-30 Thread Björn Persson
Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:38:35 +0100 > Björn Persson wrote: > > Without commit access to Git the attacker couldn't edit the sources > > file, so – assuming that everything that uses the lookaside cache > > bothers to verify the checksum – the a

Re: preventing known-damaging third-party to fedora/epel package upgrade?

2012-07-12 Thread Björn Persson
cases fall under "unsupported". That's no excuse for not doing the right thing (provided that there is an objectively right thing to do). Björn Persson signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Set bash's shell option nullglob by default?

2012-07-13 Thread Björn Persson
Changing a programming language under the programmers' feet it almost never a good idea. Shall I start setting all Bash options explicitly in every single shell script just so that I'll know how the language works even if someone changes the defaults on me? Björn Persson signature

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-07-23)

2012-07-25 Thread Björn Persson
unfortunate, but they are an inevitable effect of limited screen resolution. I'll choose the thickness jumps over the blurry letters without hesitation. Should we hold a vote to determine how the majority of users like their fonts? Björn Persson -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: OBS Fedora

2012-07-29 Thread Björn Persson
Are you not even allowed to install Putty and log in by SSH from the laptop to your home PC? A Git implementation for Windows would probably make your work easier. A quick search indicates that such programs exist. Björn Persson -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-07-23)

2012-08-01 Thread Björn Persson
mebody's idea of "good". As we found out in another branch of this thread, people can disagree on which rendering method makes a font look good. Björn Persson -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F18, koji and IPv6

2012-08-10 Thread Björn Persson
kept waiting for everyone else, so here we are now with an Internet that has been split into an IPv4- only part and an IPv6-only part. Björn Persson -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: What's the reason for not accepting karma from Bodhi submitter

2012-08-20 Thread Björn Persson
is. I'm just pointing out a logical consequence that officially allowing proxy karma would have. Björn Persson -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: What's the reason for not accepting karma from Bodhi submitter

2012-08-20 Thread Björn Persson
Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > If I give negative karma, that's because I tested the update and > found it didn't work. Why would you do that instead of retracting the update? Björn Persson -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 18 Alpha is hereby declared GOLD

2012-09-17 Thread Björn Persson
t the terms "alpha" and "beta"? Fedora 18 has been declared alpha. Before that it was pre-alpha. After some more testing and fixing it will reach beta status. Right? Björn Persson -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Björn Persson
l -D So the rescue system (which might not always be Fedora) must have journalctl installed. Is the file format stable, or can it break if the rescue system has a different version of journalctl? Is the format perchance even documented so that other tools for reading logs could be written? Björn

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Björn Persson
to read any previous version of the > binary file format. So if my Fedora box won't boot, and I take the disk out and mount it in a CentOS box, I might not be able to read the log because journalctl in CentOS might be too old? Not fun. Björn Persson -- devel mailing

Re: replacing rsyslogd in minimal with journald [was Re: systemd requires HTTP server and serves QR codes]

2012-10-10 Thread Björn Persson
Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:00:41PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > > So if my Fedora box won't boot, and I take the disk out and mount it > > in a CentOS box, I might not be able to read the log because > > journalctl in CentOS might be too

Re: What are reasonable blockers for making journald the default logger in F19?

2012-10-18 Thread Björn Persson
t perhaps "ctl" is short for "cutler" and alludes to Journalctl's ability to slice up logs in several different ways? In that case the name would be easier to remember if "cutler" were spelled out. Björn Persson -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: still UsrMove problems and wrong PATH in openssh

2012-10-31 Thread Björn Persson
"/", and proceeds to look for files in /share, which doesn't exist and never has. We really need to get /bin and /sbin removed from PATH, or at least moved behind /usr/bin and /usr/sbin. Björn Persson -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

"network" service fails to set wireless parameters.

2012-11-06 Thread Björn Persson
ore I file a bug report I wanted to ask: Does anyone see anything wrong with the ifcfg file below? Björn Persson DEVICE=wifi NAME="Wifi" HWADDR=00:16:6f:a9:95:34 NM_CONTROLLED=no BOOTPROTO=none ONBOOT=yes TYPE=Wireless IPADDR0=192.168.96.1 PREFIX0=24 DEFROUTE=no IPV4_FAILURE_FATAL=yes IPV6

Re: "network" service fails to set wireless parameters.

2012-11-06 Thread Björn Persson
Dan Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 21:47 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: > > I have a Wifi card that is supposed to be managed by the "network" > > service. The interface's IP addresses, prefixes, routes and all that > > get assigned correctly on boot

Re: Revamping the non responsive maintainer process

2012-11-07 Thread Björn Persson
t_edit_wars Also, mistakes on Wikipedia are unlikely to cause widespread breakage of users' work environments or insert backdoors into lots of computers all over the world. Björn Persson -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-14 Thread Björn Persson
0m0.001s user0m0.000s sys 0m0.000s Björn Persson -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: "network" service fails to set wireless parameters.

2012-11-14 Thread Björn Persson
e SSID and the channel, if that's what you mean. You don't seem to think the problem is in my ifcfg file, so I filed a bug report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=876786 Björn Persson -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: rssh (need a sponsor and package from database)

2012-11-28 Thread Björn Persson
maintainers in other distributions. Björn Persson -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Yum Package Remove Order

2012-12-04 Thread Björn Persson
kages depend on each other? What "Provides" and "Requires" fields are there in their spec files? What do you get if you run "rpm --query --provides" and "rpm --query --requires" on each package? Björn Persson -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproje

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Change Packaging Guidelines to discourage requires into /bin and /sbin

2013-07-16 Thread Björn Persson
> Related FPC ticket [1]: FPC wanted this change to be created. Oh really? > [1] https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/314 In that ticket I see one FPC member being for and two being against the change. Björn Persson signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-16 Thread Björn Persson
y Fedora font > package can be used as a web font) So all the fonts would be moved from /usr/share/fonts to /usr/share/assets/fonts, and /usr/share/fonts would be replaced with a link? Or did you mean that /usr/share/assets/fonts would be a link, that is, "/usr/share/assets/fonts ->

Re: F20 System Wide Change: Web Assets

2013-07-22 Thread Björn Persson
ary, because in that context it's implicit. "Data" isn't a good description of Javascript code and stylesheets though, even if it's just data from the HTTP daemon's point of view. How about "Web Libraries" and "/usr/share/weblib&qu

Re: Doc dir related changes coming up

2013-07-28 Thread Björn Persson
uot;, so in subpackages it will differ from what %doc uses. Packagers need to be aware of this. >%{!?_pkgdocdir: %global _pkgdocdir %{_docdir}/%{name}-%{version}} And this also differs from what %doc uses for subpackages in earlier releases, which may or may not be OK depending on how the pa

Re: Doc dir related changes coming up

2013-07-29 Thread Björn Persson
t change them again. (It may already be too late. Has the mass rebuild begun yet?) -- Björn Persson Sent from my computer. signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: What about %{_unitdir} macro for arm?

2013-08-05 Thread Björn Persson
able some feature? Then you should explicitly disable that feature, or else fix the problem to let the feature work. -- Björn Persson Sent from my computer. signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listi

Ugly magic device name being enforced in Fedora 19

2013-08-08 Thread Björn Persson
from? I hadn't configured that name anywhere until now when I was forced to. Björn Persson signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fe

Re: Suggestion: bmap files and bmaptool

2013-08-14 Thread Björn Persson
hecksum files are OpenPGP signed, as you can see in the one that Till linked to. I don't see a cryptographic signature in your example file. Are there detached signatures for the bmap files? And does Bmaptool verify the signatures? -- Björn Persson Sent from my computer. signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Rebuilding in dependency order (was: F21 schedule: what would you do with more time?)

2013-08-22 Thread Björn Persson
lp, because they would fail >anyway due missing build requires. You make it sound like Peter has a tool for rebuilding in dependency order. I need such a thing. Can it be made to work for other things than Perl? -- Björn Persson Sent from my computer. signature.asc Description: PGP signature -

Re: fedmsg for voting?

2013-09-11 Thread Björn Persson
voter to verify his vote at a later time, but does not allow the voter to prove to someone else that he voted for the candidate he was paid to vote for, and does not allow a dominant father to verify that the family members voted like he ordered them to vote? This is not a trivial problem to solve.

Re: About F19 Firewall

2013-09-17 Thread Björn Persson
ch to the Home zone, and assume that everybody on that network is friendly? -- Björn Persson Sent from my computer. signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: About F19 Firewall

2013-09-20 Thread Björn Persson
und to the SSID). Anyone can broadcast an SSID. How does FirewallD authenticate the network connection? -- Björn Persson Sent from my computer. signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora

Re: About F19 Firewall

2013-09-20 Thread Björn Persson
Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: >On 20.09.2013 22:23, Björn Persson wrote: >> Anyone can broadcast an SSID. How does FirewallD authenticate the >> network connection? > >FirewallD is not responsible for such authentication/AP validation. >Firewall as such is not meant to ass

Re: About F19 Firewall

2013-09-25 Thread Björn Persson
ke WPA2 won't protect anything anymore, as all the computers will be addressable from the outside anyway, and then protocols designed for an isolated friendly network will be equally insecure on both wired and wireless networks. - -- Björn Persson Sent from my computer. -BEGIN PGP S

Re: Using USB 3 plugs crashes Gnome

2013-09-25 Thread Björn Persson
ws I can see part of). That sounds like the window manager has crashed. You may be able to restart it if you know the command and one of the windows you can see happens to be a terminal. I have no idea how USB 3 can crash Gnome's window manager. -- Björn Persson Sent from my computer. signa

Re: About F19 Firewall

2013-09-28 Thread Björn Persson
an >isolated friendly network. If you do then you probably deserve what >happens to you as there is rarely such a thing as an "isolated >friendly network". And I don't use those protocols, but other people apparently do. Why else would there be a need for WPA2 or

Re: Source file audit - 2013-09-30

2013-10-03 Thread Björn Persson
se/PragmARC/pragmarc-20130728.zip → 200 OK This server's uptime is currently 112 days, so either it was a network glitch or your URL checker lacks IDNA support. Does that program retry a while later if it can't reach the server, to reduce the number of false alarms? -- Björn Persson Sent fro

Re: Source file audit - 2013-09-30

2013-10-04 Thread Björn Persson
Kevin Fenzi wrote: >On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 01:54:34 +0200 >Björn Persson wrote: >> Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> >rombobeorn:BADURL:pragmarc-20130728.zip:PragmARC >> >> wget https://www.Rombobjörn.se/PragmARC/pragmarc-20130728.zip >> → 200 OK >> >> This

Re: Source file audit - 2013-09-30

2013-10-04 Thread Björn Persson
projects hosted there. And it says "Mathematics and Computer Science" at the top of the page. What kind of computer science institute doesn't have the sense to keep permanent URLs? http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI -- Björn Persson Sent from my computer. signature.asc Descript

Re: rawhide report: 20131008 changes

2013-10-08 Thread Björn Persson
Christopher Meng wrote: >Are there any people not seeing this and using non-gmail services? I don't use Gmail, and I suppose I'm not seeing "this", because I have no idea what "this" that you guys see is. Today's Rawhide report looks quite similar to yesterd

Re: GPG verification in SPECs

2013-10-11 Thread Björn Persson
E0} | grep -q '^\[GNUPG:\] GOODSIG' Will that check start to fail when the key expires? Do we want packages to start failing to build just because a certain date has passed? Or does the check fail only if the key had already expired when the signature was made? -- Björn Persson Sent

Re: Replies tearing threads apart

2013-10-11 Thread Björn Persson
; >No, currently I (have to) use a web mail service. When I am back >I can use thunderbird. There seem to be many webmail programs around that are too stupid to include In-Reply-To and References header fields. -- Björn Persson Sent from my computer. signature.asc Description: PGP signat

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-03-29 Thread Björn Persson
e FESCo maintains a list, I suppose anyone can propose specific programs to be added to the list, but it seems pointless to explicitly list programs that are already covered by the first three criteria. Björn Persson signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Prevent package builds on certain architectures

2013-04-04 Thread Björn Persson
Juerg Haefliger wrote: > BuildArch: noarch > > %if 0%{?rhel} > # Only build on x86_64 for EPEL because qemu-img only exists for that arch > ExclusiveArch: x86_64 > %endif [...] > error: Architecture is not included: noarch Try "ExclusiveArch: noarch x86_64".

Re: Why does _hardened_build use "-z,relro" and not "-z,relro,-z,now" ?

2013-04-11 Thread Björn Persson
Paul Wouters wrote: > Why does the _hardened_build macro for the spec file use "-z,relro" and not > "-z,relro,-z,now" ? Huh? As far as I can see _hardened_build adds -z now, not relro. -Wl,-z,relro is supposed to be included in LDFLAGS. Or has this change

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-11 Thread Björn Persson
estarts itself between each connection or at > least on a regular basis (ie. it's a forking or pre-forking server, or > the server is started on each connection by inetd/systemd)? Or it crashes and gets restarted every time the attacker fails to guess the addresses. Björn Persson s

What to move to? (was: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages")

2013-04-15 Thread Björn Persson
at's not a problem with the language itself but a result of low popularity, and would change with time if more programmers would start using Ada. Help with packaging the libraries that do exist would be welcome. A free compiler? Yes, we have one in Fedora. Björn Persson s

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-15 Thread Björn Persson
e than other languages. Of course an infallible superhuman could write good code in any language, and a fool can write bad code in any language, but a normal human programmer will write better code in a well-designed language than in an ill-designed language. Björn Persson signature.asc Description: P

Re: What to move to?

2013-04-17 Thread Björn Persson
t; objects. Of course there is always some overhead. Do you mean that they have a significantly larger overhead than garbage collectors have? Björn Persson signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-17 Thread Björn Persson
another is likely > *not* possible however. Ada imports and exports C pointers just fine, including pointers to functions and records. Strings typically need to be converted though, as strings aren't null-terminated in Ada. Of course Ada can't prevent the C code from corrupting

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-18 Thread Björn Persson
Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 01:14:33AM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > [...] > > > Passing pointers to objects from one language to another is likely > > > *not* possible however. > > > > Ada imports and exports C pointers just fine, inc

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-03 Thread Björn Persson
t; The admin won't know about this misfeature until he looks up from the keyboard and sees the password being displayed in the clear, right? Always close the door and the blinds when installing operating systems? That's easier said than done in an open plan office. Björn P

Re: Do you think this is a security risk and if not is it a bad UI decision?

2013-05-04 Thread Björn Persson
hat users would notice *before* they start typing. Björn Persson signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: wired ethernet disabled between reboots

2013-05-21 Thread Björn Persson
quot;net", ATTR{address}=="00:1e:8c:cf:cd:e5", NAME:="gigabit" ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="net", ATTR{address}=="00:16:6f:a9:95:34", NAME:="wifi" As a bonus I got human-readable interface names, making it much easier to remember which interface is which, but my primary motivation was to make it possible to configure stuff. Björn Persson signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Software Management call for RFEs

2013-05-22 Thread Björn Persson
ls, so doing it with libraries can't be too difficult. There must be a better way to handle soname bumps like the one in LibPNG that is being discussed right now. If automatic cleanup of dependencies gets implemented, then an old version of a library should be removed when no installed packages r

Re: Software Management call for RFEs

2013-05-22 Thread Björn Persson
the client, while the client might only suggest the server. A third example is graphical administration tools for some daemon that are in a separate package so that the daemon can be installed without pulling in half a desktop environment. In this case the daemon should suggest the tools, but perha

Re: Software Management call for RFEs

2013-05-22 Thread Björn Persson
s. In batch operations like Kickstart and Mock I'm thinking recommendations and suggestions would be ignored and only required packages would be pulled in. I don't know how Kickstart handles Comps groups but "default" sounds to me like it would be installed even in batch operations. Björn Persson signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Software Management call for RFEs

2013-05-22 Thread Björn Persson
only to some users, or if it pulls in lots of additional stuff, then it should be suggested and get installed only on the user's explicit request. This minimizes bloat. Björn Persson signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Build control-center in mock fail

2013-05-25 Thread Björn Persson
y > desirable. The requirement to build from source is already explicit: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#No_inclusion_of_pre-built_binaries_or_libraries Björn Persson signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Info in Konqueror

2013-05-30 Thread Björn Persson
iteria are no better than flipping a coin. Björn Persson -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Architecture specific header files

2013-06-25 Thread Björn Persson
sr/lib64/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h -rw-r--r-- /usr/lib64/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc -rw-r--r-- /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h -rw-r--r-- /usr/lib/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc $ pkg-config --cflags glib-2.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include Björn Persson signature.as

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-07-01 Thread Björn Persson
tes? Or do you expect Bodhi to magically find and understand upstream release notes in a gazillion random locations and an unbounded number of formats? Or what exactly do you want the "better tooling" to do? Björn Persson signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing lis

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-07-02 Thread Björn Persson
nguage should it parse then? I'm not aware of a formal standard format for release notes. All you can assume is that it will be some kind of vaguely HTML-like tag soup. It may even be valid HTML, but HTML doesn't contain anything that would help you extract the release notes for a specific

Re: F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture

2013-07-10 Thread Björn Persson
more about GCC and ARM than I do. Björn Persson signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: systemd 230 change - KillUserProcesses defaults to yes

2016-05-27 Thread Björn Persson
w > intentionally long-running processes to survive logout. This sounds very much like a system-wide Change. Where can I find the Change proposal? Björn Persson pgpRDF4J_l0dn.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signatur -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org ht

Re: systemd 230 change - KillUserProcesses defaults to yes

2016-06-02 Thread Björn Persson
processes running as that user might be handy. Anyone who thinks it's needed can write such a tool. All of your examples are either very special cases, or else the enforcement belongs in other places than the logout procedure. Thus I'm still not convinced that there is a security problem that affects a typical Fedora system. Björn Persson pgpG4w8qZdVnS.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signatur -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: systemd 230 change - KillUserProcesses defaults to yes

2016-06-03 Thread Björn Persson
opt in to use to enforce an unusually strict policy if they want, but there has not been, is not, and will not be such a policy be default, right? If that's the case, then can we please stop talking about security and instead debate the usability aspects of this change? Björn Persson

Re: Why GUI software update tool is broken for me

2016-06-15 Thread Björn Persson
nents were updated. They'd postpone the reboot forever because that's the most convenient. Björn Persson pgpaMVmj5rVOy.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signatur -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: F25 System Wide Change: KillUserProcesses=yes by default

2016-07-13 Thread Björn Persson
aware that any in-house-written or otherwise locally installed persistent programs they might have will stop working, so a release note is quite important. Björn Persson pgpxon9aB9w1o.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signatur -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-07-15)

2016-07-16 Thread Björn Persson
to change the contract between user programs and the operating system, then the work it takes to adapt the user programs is part of the work it takes to make that change. That much really should have been obvious from the beginning. Björn Persson pgp2K_F6jGwcU.pgp Description: OpenPGP digi

Re: F25 System Wide Change: KillUserProcesses=yes by default

2016-07-16 Thread Björn Persson
one that would generate a log message but not > actually kill processes? That will certainly be needed during the transition, and when that setting is in effect, then it seems reasonable to log on the notice level. Björn Persson pgptjcpH9W__w.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signatur --

Re: How best to handle tools which support multiple Python runtimes

2016-07-17 Thread Björn Persson
hen have the ahven package require python-sphinxcontrib-adadomain, plus python-sphinx or python-sphinx-bin or whatever but not python2-sphinx, and invoke sphinx-build and know that it will run on Python 2, then I'm satisfied. Björn Persson pgpcFIxbiCScN.pgp Description: OpenPG

Re: How best to handle tools which support multiple Python runtimes

2016-07-17 Thread Björn Persson
;d have to set the sphinx > version with the alternatives command. That's true. Well, I think we can live with that for a while and solve it by porting sphinxcontrib-adadomain. Björn Persson pgpwH5jFWSrqs.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signatur -- devel mailing list de

Re: Bodhi UI Redesign User Survey

2016-08-04 Thread Björn Persson
give useful answers to the survey. Björn Persson pgpHJOMHYbbth.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signatur -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Bodhi UI Redesign User Survey

2016-08-06 Thread Björn Persson
ilds field, so it might be a list of the builds that are included in this update. But aren't those already listed right there in the Builds field (only one in this example)? The third symbol looks like "out", but I have no idea what would be going out from where. I suppose the choice "I have no idea what these are used for" is close enough, although "some vague idea" would be more true. Björn Persson pgpvCuCQyo8Wb.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signatur -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Can anyone explain this broken dependencies alert?

2016-08-11 Thread Björn Persson
t supposed to be frozen, is it? Björn Persson --- Begin Message --- aws has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: On x86_64: aws-tools-2015-5.fc24.x86_64 requires libxmlada_dom.so.4.6.0w()(64bit) aws-tools-2015-5.fc24.x86_64 requires libxmlada_input_sources.so.4.6.0w()(64bit)

Re: Can anyone explain this broken dependencies alert?

2016-08-11 Thread Björn Persson
quot; OK, thanks. It would be nice if the program would understand that, and not complain to the wrong people about the wrong problem. Björn Persson pgpCI5NrBNXwy.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signatur -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Access to hardware (was: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2016-08-12))

2016-08-14 Thread Björn Persson
tps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Machine_Resources_For_Package_Maintainers so that packagers can find out how to access them? Björn Persson pgp6J8PN7VBZM.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signatur -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Can anyone explain this broken dependencies alert?

2016-08-17 Thread Björn Persson
Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 19:07:56 +0200 > Björn Persson wrote: > > > Timotheus Pokorra wrote: > > > > Why am I getting this broken dependencies alert several times a > > > > day? I built a new AWS in Rawhide two days ago, but the prog

Notifying co-maintainers about bug reports (was: F24, small backward steps)

2016-09-13 Thread Björn Persson
ng I didn't find any explanations of the privileges there. I don't see anything that explains the web interface to users. Björn Persson pgpu2gi_XbAgM.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signatur -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: User Visible Terminology

2016-09-16 Thread Björn Persson
e command line parameters, then they should be written in all lowercase. And if I'm completely off base, then perhaps you should have provided a little more context. Björn Persson pgpwk4F7qXxu3.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signatur ___

Re: Locked memory limits are too low

2016-09-20 Thread Björn Persson
s of megabytes per user on modern workstations, and it would still take many cooperating users to cause any denial of service. Björn Persson pgpdv6XDiXVuQ.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signatur ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Locked memory limits are too low

2016-09-21 Thread Björn Persson
The limit should be chosen with that kind of usage in mind. Björn Persson pgpH81_wbJ8al.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signatur ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Broken dependencies: vim-syntastic

2016-09-21 Thread Björn Persson
usiveArch directive in RPM is for. I have found that when using ExclusiveArch in a noarch package you need to include "noarch" in addition to the architectures where the dependencies are available. Otherwise the build won't work. Björn Persson pgpwkqwjwp3oW.pgp Description: Op

Re: PSA: Do not run 'dnf update' inside GNOME, KDE or any other graphical desktop on Fedora 24

2016-10-04 Thread Björn Persson
e end of the list. So if this bug is specific to F24 and multiple GPUs, then I guess I'm lucky to be still using F23 and having only one GPU. Björn Persson pgpyM39AZAi5x.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signatur ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lis

Re: PSA: Do not run 'dnf update' inside GNOME, KDE or any other graphical desktop on Fedora 24

2016-10-04 Thread Björn Persson
uot;**" should have been "&& \" If there isn't a single command to do all of that, that can compete with "yum update" in simplicity, then that shows that offline updating isn't being seriously promoted for servers. Björn Persson pgpCYodPpl6y8.pgp Descrip

Re: PSA: Do not run 'dnf update' inside GNOME, KDE or any other graphical desktop on Fedora 24

2016-10-04 Thread Björn Persson
Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2016-10-05 at 00:20 +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > If you're using Workstation, the offline update system is > > > expressly designed to minimize the likelihood of this kind of > > >

Re: PSA: Do not run 'dnf update' inside GNOME, KDE or any other graphical desktop on Fedora 24

2016-10-04 Thread Björn Persson
en but still expect different files to be from the exact same version. Firefox and Seamonkey seem to do something like that. They tend to break in funny ways when updated. Many other GUI programs have no problems with getting updated while running. Björn Persson pgp3XdnO0ZVry.pgp Descript

Re: PSA: Do not run 'dnf update' inside GNOME, KDE or any other graphical desktop on Fedora 24

2016-10-04 Thread Björn Persson
stan wrote: > On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 00:20:25 +0200 > Björn Persson wrote: > > > In a VT I'll often be unable to review the list of updates before > > hitting Y, as I'll only see the end of the list. > > An alternative to Adam's suggestions. > >

Re: /sbin/nologin in /etc/shells

2016-10-07 Thread Björn Persson
Andrew Toskin wrote: > If it were really important to make sure the user could no longer > access the system at all, why not just delete the account? Deleting > the user does not (necessarily) delete their data, so what's the use > case for keeping the account at all in such a situation? The files

Re: Weak password madness is back again

2016-10-11 Thread Björn Persson
iately forgotten) why she cannot change the password in > the gnome dialogue, and it was a total waste of time. Is a second-grader actually unable to remember "correct horse battery staple"? I strongly doubt that. Spell it, maybe not, but surely she could remember a four-word string?

Re: fedup: does not verify source

2012-12-16 Thread Björn Persson
. As long as people are being discouraged from upgrading by Yum because it's "unsupported", removing the only "supported" and secure upgrade method is definitely a regression, and quite irresponsible. Björn Persson -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.o

Re: fedup: does not verify source

2012-12-17 Thread Björn Persson
k pair, and Fedup needs to verify that signature. Naturally the signature must be verified before the kernel/ramdisk pair is booted. Björn Persson -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

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