t numbers are obviously chosen to get through overzealous
firewalls. All too often everything except TCP port 443 is blocked or
tampered with. It is certainly far from ideal, which is why it's right
to do it only as a last resort when all other ways are blocked.
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Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 07.12.15 15:31, Björn Persson (Bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote:
>
> > Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > You *have* to use the local DNS servers by default, even if they are
> > > crap.
> >
> > I for one want my laptop
Dan Horák wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 11:32:44 +0100
> Björn Persson wrote:
>
> > Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > > On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 15:46:26 +0100
> > > Björn Persson wrote:
> > > > GPRbuild is
> > > > linked to XMLada, and both GPRbuild and X
Björn Persson wrote:
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > So, ideally here, there's a new gcc upgrade, the gcc maintainer
> > would build with a compat-libgnat subpackage that installs libgnat
> > in another place. Then they build the new gcc without it. You then
> > can bui
possible to do this at
this time, except maybe to certain well-funded government agencies
around the world, who may have made further advances attacking MD5 than
the open cryptographic community has.
But still, why are we still using MD5?
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Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:38:35 +0100
> Björn Persson wrote:
> > Without commit access to Git the attacker couldn't edit the sources
> > file, so – assuming that everything that uses the lookaside cache
> > bothers to verify the checksum – the a
cases fall under "unsupported".
That's no excuse for not doing the right thing (provided that there is an
objectively right thing to do).
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Changing a programming language under the programmers' feet it almost never a
good idea. Shall I start setting all Bash options explicitly in every single
shell script just so that I'll know how the language works even if someone
changes the defaults on me?
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unfortunate, but they are an inevitable effect of
limited screen resolution. I'll choose the thickness jumps over the blurry
letters without hesitation.
Should we hold a vote to determine how the majority of users like their fonts?
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Are you not even allowed to install Putty and log in by SSH from the laptop to
your home PC?
A Git implementation for Windows would probably make your work easier. A quick
search indicates that such programs exist.
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mebody's idea of "good". As we found out in another branch
of this thread, people can disagree on which rendering method makes a font
look good.
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kept waiting for everyone
else, so here we are now with an Internet that has been split into an IPv4-
only part and an IPv6-only part.
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is. I'm just pointing out a logical consequence that
officially allowing proxy karma would have.
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Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> If I give negative karma, that's because I tested the update and
> found it didn't work.
Why would you do that instead of retracting the update?
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t the terms "alpha" and "beta"? Fedora 18 has been declared alpha.
Before that it was pre-alpha. After some more testing and fixing it will
reach beta status. Right?
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So the rescue system (which might not always be Fedora) must have
journalctl installed. Is the file format stable, or can it break if the
rescue system has a different version of journalctl? Is the format
perchance even documented so that other tools for reading logs could be
written?
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to read any previous version of the
> binary file format.
So if my Fedora box won't boot, and I take the disk out and mount it in
a CentOS box, I might not be able to read the log because journalctl in
CentOS might be too old? Not fun.
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> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:00:41PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> > So if my Fedora box won't boot, and I take the disk out and mount it
> > in a CentOS box, I might not be able to read the log because
> > journalctl in CentOS might be too
t perhaps "ctl" is short for "cutler" and alludes to Journalctl's
ability to slice up logs in several different ways? In that case the name
would be easier to remember if "cutler" were spelled out.
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"/", and proceeds to look for files in
/share, which doesn't exist and never has.
We really need to get /bin and /sbin removed from PATH, or at least
moved behind /usr/bin and /usr/sbin.
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ore I file a bug report I wanted to ask: Does
anyone see anything wrong with the ifcfg file below?
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DEVICE=wifi
NAME="Wifi"
HWADDR=00:16:6f:a9:95:34
NM_CONTROLLED=no
BOOTPROTO=none
ONBOOT=yes
TYPE=Wireless
IPADDR0=192.168.96.1
PREFIX0=24
DEFROUTE=no
IPV4_FAILURE_FATAL=yes
IPV6
Dan Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-11-06 at 21:47 +0100, Björn Persson wrote:
> > I have a Wifi card that is supposed to be managed by the "network"
> > service. The interface's IP addresses, prefixes, routes and all that
> > get assigned correctly on boot
t_edit_wars
Also, mistakes on Wikipedia are unlikely to cause widespread breakage of
users' work environments or insert backdoors into lots of computers all
over the world.
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user0m0.000s
sys 0m0.000s
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e SSID and
the channel, if that's what you mean.
You don't seem to think the problem is in my ifcfg file, so I filed a bug
report:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=876786
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kages depend on each other? What "Provides" and
"Requires" fields are there in their spec files? What do you get if you
run "rpm --query --provides" and "rpm --query --requires" on each
package?
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> Related FPC ticket [1]: FPC wanted this change to be created.
Oh really?
> [1] https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/314
In that ticket I see one FPC member being for and two being against
the change.
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> package can be used as a web font)
So all the fonts would be moved from /usr/share/fonts
to /usr/share/assets/fonts, and /usr/share/fonts would be replaced with
a link? Or did you mean that /usr/share/assets/fonts would be a link,
that is, "/usr/share/assets/fonts ->
ary, because in that context it's implicit.
"Data" isn't a good description of Javascript code and stylesheets
though, even if it's just data from the HTTP daemon's point of view.
How about "Web Libraries" and "/usr/share/weblib&qu
uot;, so in subpackages it
will differ from what %doc uses. Packagers need to be aware of this.
>%{!?_pkgdocdir: %global _pkgdocdir %{_docdir}/%{name}-%{version}}
And this also differs from what %doc uses for subpackages in earlier
releases, which may or may not be OK depending on how the pa
t change them again. (It may already be
too late. Has the mass rebuild begun yet?)
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able some feature? Then you should explicitly disable that
feature, or else fix the problem to let the feature work.
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name anywhere until now when I was forced to.
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hecksum files are OpenPGP signed, as you can see in
the one that Till linked to. I don't see a cryptographic signature in
your example file. Are there detached signatures for the bmap files?
And does Bmaptool verify the signatures?
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lp, because they would fail
>anyway due missing build requires.
You make it sound like Peter has a tool for rebuilding in dependency
order. I need such a thing. Can it be made to work for other things
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voter to verify his vote at a later time,
but does not allow the voter to prove to someone else that he voted for
the candidate he was paid to vote for, and does not allow a dominant
father to verify that the family members voted like he ordered them to
vote? This is not a trivial problem to solve.
ch to the Home zone, and assume
that everybody on that network is friendly?
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und to the SSID).
Anyone can broadcast an SSID. How does FirewallD authenticate the
network connection?
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Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote:
>On 20.09.2013 22:23, Björn Persson wrote:
>> Anyone can broadcast an SSID. How does FirewallD authenticate the
>> network connection?
>
>FirewallD is not responsible for such authentication/AP validation.
>Firewall as such is not meant to ass
ke WPA2 won't protect anything anymore, as all
the computers will be addressable from the outside anyway, and then
protocols designed for an isolated friendly network will be equally
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ws I can see part of).
That sounds like the window manager has crashed. You may be able to
restart it if you know the command and one of the windows you can see
happens to be a terminal.
I have no idea how USB 3 can crash Gnome's window manager.
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an
>isolated friendly network. If you do then you probably deserve what
>happens to you as there is rarely such a thing as an "isolated
>friendly network".
And I don't use those protocols, but other people apparently do. Why
else would there be a need for WPA2 or
se/PragmARC/pragmarc-20130728.zip
→ 200 OK
This server's uptime is currently 112 days, so either it was a network
glitch or your URL checker lacks IDNA support.
Does that program retry a while later if it can't reach the server, to
reduce the number of false alarms?
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Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>On Fri, 4 Oct 2013 01:54:34 +0200
>Björn Persson wrote:
>> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>> >rombobeorn:BADURL:pragmarc-20130728.zip:PragmARC
>>
>> wget https://www.Rombobjörn.se/PragmARC/pragmarc-20130728.zip
>> → 200 OK
>>
>> This
projects hosted there.
And it says "Mathematics and Computer Science" at the top of the page.
What kind of computer science institute doesn't have the sense to keep
permanent URLs?
http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI
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Christopher Meng wrote:
>Are there any people not seeing this and using non-gmail services?
I don't use Gmail, and I suppose I'm not seeing "this", because I have
no idea what "this" that you guys see is. Today's Rawhide report looks
quite similar to yesterd
E0} | grep -q '^\[GNUPG:\] GOODSIG'
Will that check start to fail when the key expires? Do we want packages
to start failing to build just because a certain date has passed?
Or does the check fail only if the key had already expired when the
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>No, currently I (have to) use a web mail service. When I am back
>I can use thunderbird.
There seem to be many webmail programs around that are too stupid to
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e FESCo maintains a list, I suppose anyone can propose specific
programs to be added to the list, but it seems pointless to explicitly
list programs that are already covered by the first three criteria.
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Juerg Haefliger wrote:
> BuildArch: noarch
>
> %if 0%{?rhel}
> # Only build on x86_64 for EPEL because qemu-img only exists for that arch
> ExclusiveArch: x86_64
> %endif
[...]
> error: Architecture is not included: noarch
Try "ExclusiveArch: noarch x86_64".
Paul Wouters wrote:
> Why does the _hardened_build macro for the spec file use "-z,relro" and not
> "-z,relro,-z,now" ?
Huh? As far as I can see _hardened_build adds -z now, not relro.
-Wl,-z,relro is supposed to be included in LDFLAGS. Or has this change
estarts itself between each connection or at
> least on a regular basis (ie. it's a forking or pre-forking server, or
> the server is started on each connection by inetd/systemd)?
Or it crashes and gets restarted every time the attacker fails to guess
the addresses.
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s
at's not
a problem with the language itself but a result of low popularity, and
would change with time if more programmers would start using Ada. Help
with packaging the libraries that do exist would be welcome.
A free compiler? Yes, we have one in Fedora.
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e than other
languages. Of course an infallible superhuman could write good code in
any language, and a fool can write bad code in any language, but a
normal human programmer will write better code in a well-designed
language than in an ill-designed language.
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Of course there is always some overhead. Do you mean that they have a
significantly larger overhead than garbage collectors have?
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another is likely
> *not* possible however.
Ada imports and exports C pointers just fine, including pointers to
functions and records. Strings typically need to be converted though,
as strings aren't null-terminated in Ada.
Of course Ada can't prevent the C code from corrupting
Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
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> [...]
> > > Passing pointers to objects from one language to another is likely
> > > *not* possible however.
> >
> > Ada imports and exports C pointers just fine, inc
t; The admin won't know about this misfeature until he looks up
from the keyboard and sees the password being displayed in the clear,
right?
Always close the door and the blinds when installing operating systems?
That's easier said than done in an open plan office.
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hat users would notice *before* they start typing.
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quot;net", ATTR{address}=="00:1e:8c:cf:cd:e5",
NAME:="gigabit"
ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="net", ATTR{address}=="00:16:6f:a9:95:34",
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As a bonus I got human-readable interface names, making it much easier
to remember which interface is which, but my primary motivation was to
make it possible to configure stuff.
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so doing it with libraries can't be too difficult. There must be a
better way to handle soname bumps like the one in LibPNG that is being
discussed right now.
If automatic cleanup of dependencies gets implemented, then an old
version of a library should be removed when no installed packages
r
the client, while the client might only suggest the server.
A third example is graphical administration tools for some daemon that
are in a separate package so that the daemon can be installed without
pulling in half a desktop environment. In this case the daemon should
suggest the tools, but perha
s.
In batch operations like Kickstart and Mock I'm thinking recommendations
and suggestions would be ignored and only required packages would be
pulled in. I don't know how Kickstart handles Comps groups but "default"
sounds to me like it would be installed even in batch operations.
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only to some users, or if it
pulls in lots of additional stuff, then it should be suggested and get
installed only on the user's explicit request. This minimizes bloat.
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> desirable.
The requirement to build from source is already explicit:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#No_inclusion_of_pre-built_binaries_or_libraries
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sr/lib64/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h
-rw-r--r-- /usr/lib64/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc
-rw-r--r-- /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include/glibconfig.h
-rw-r--r-- /usr/lib/pkgconfig/glib-2.0.pc
$ pkg-config --cflags glib-2.0
-I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include
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tes? Or do you expect Bodhi to magically
find and understand upstream release notes in a gazillion random
locations and an unbounded number of formats? Or what exactly do you
want the "better tooling" to do?
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format for release notes. All you can assume is that it will be some
kind of vaguely HTML-like tag soup. It may even be valid HTML, but HTML
doesn't contain anything that would help you extract the release notes
for a specific
more about GCC and ARM than I do.
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> intentionally long-running processes to survive logout.
This sounds very much like a system-wide Change. Where can I find the
Change proposal?
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processes running as that user might be handy. Anyone who thinks it's
needed can write such a tool.
All of your examples are either very special cases, or else the
enforcement belongs in other places than the logout procedure. Thus I'm
still not convinced that there is a security problem that affects a
typical Fedora system.
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opt in to use to enforce an unusually strict policy if
they want, but there has not been, is not, and will not be such a
policy be default, right?
If that's the case, then can we please stop talking about security and
instead debate the usability aspects of this change?
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nents were updated. They'd postpone the reboot
forever because that's the most convenient.
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locally installed persistent programs they might have will stop working,
so a release note is quite important.
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change the contract between user programs and the operating system,
then the work it takes to adapt the user programs is part of the work
it takes to make that change. That much really should have been obvious
from the beginning.
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one that would generate a log message but not
> actually kill processes?
That will certainly be needed during the transition, and when that
setting is in effect, then it seems reasonable to log on the notice
level.
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python-sphinxcontrib-adadomain, plus python-sphinx or python-sphinx-bin
or whatever but not python2-sphinx, and invoke sphinx-build and know
that it will run on Python 2, then I'm satisfied.
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> version with the alternatives command.
That's true. Well, I think we can live with that for a while and solve
it by porting sphinxcontrib-adadomain.
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answers to the survey.
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ilds field, so
it might be a list of the builds that are included in this update. But
aren't those already listed right there in the Builds field (only one
in this example)? The third symbol looks like "out", but I have no idea
what would be going out from where.
I suppose the choice "I have no idea what these are used for" is close
enough, although "some vague idea" would be more true.
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t supposed to be frozen, is it?
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aws has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree:
On x86_64:
aws-tools-2015-5.fc24.x86_64 requires libxmlada_dom.so.4.6.0w()(64bit)
aws-tools-2015-5.fc24.x86_64 requires
libxmlada_input_sources.so.4.6.0w()(64bit)
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OK, thanks.
It would be nice if the program would understand that, and not complain
to the wrong people about the wrong problem.
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Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 19:07:56 +0200
> Björn Persson wrote:
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> > Timotheus Pokorra wrote:
> > > > Why am I getting this broken dependencies alert several times a
> > > > day? I built a new AWS in Rawhide two days ago, but the prog
ng I didn't find any explanations of the privileges
there. I don't see anything that explains the web interface to users.
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command line parameters, then they should be written in all lowercase.
And if I'm completely off base, then perhaps you should have provided a
little more context.
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s of megabytes
per user on modern workstations, and it would still take many
cooperating users to cause any denial of service.
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The limit should be chosen with
that kind of usage in mind.
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usiveArch directive in RPM is for.
I have found that when using ExclusiveArch in a noarch package you need
to include "noarch" in addition to the architectures where the
dependencies are available. Otherwise the build won't work.
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e end of the list.
So if this bug is specific to F24 and multiple GPUs, then I guess I'm
lucky to be still using F23 and having only one GPU.
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uot;**" should have been "&& \"
If there isn't a single command to do all of that, that can compete
with "yum update" in simplicity, then that shows that offline updating
isn't being seriously promoted for servers.
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Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2016-10-05 at 00:20 +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> > Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > If you're using Workstation, the offline update system is
> > > expressly designed to minimize the likelihood of this kind of
> > >
en but still expect different files to be from
the exact same version. Firefox and Seamonkey seem to do something like
that. They tend to break in funny ways when updated. Many other GUI
programs have no problems with getting updated while running.
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stan wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2016 00:20:25 +0200
> Björn Persson wrote:
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> > In a VT I'll often be unable to review the list of updates before
> > hitting Y, as I'll only see the end of the list.
>
> An alternative to Adam's suggestions.
>
>
Andrew Toskin wrote:
> If it were really important to make sure the user could no longer
> access the system at all, why not just delete the account? Deleting
> the user does not (necessarily) delete their data, so what's the use
> case for keeping the account at all in such a situation?
The files
iately forgotten) why she cannot change the password in
> the gnome dialogue, and it was a total waste of time.
Is a second-grader actually unable to remember "correct horse battery
staple"? I strongly doubt that. Spell it, maybe not, but surely she
could remember a four-word string?
. As long as people are being
discouraged from upgrading by Yum because it's "unsupported", removing
the only "supported" and secure upgrade method is definitely a
regression, and quite irresponsible.
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k pair, and
Fedup needs to verify that signature. Naturally the signature must be
verified before the kernel/ramdisk pair is booted.
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