HEADS UP: tesseract-5.2.0 coming to rawhide

2022-07-08 Thread Sandro Mani
Hi I'll update to tesseract-5.2.0 in rawhide, and rebuild affected packages as listed below. I'll do the work in the side tag f37-build-side-54886. Thanks Sandro --- Affected packages: ffmpeg gimagereader mupdf opencv python-PyMuPDF R-tesseract zathura-pdf-mupdf __

Fedora-Cloud-36-20220708.0 compose check report

2022-07-08 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Soft failed openQA tests: 1/8 (x86_64), 1/8 (aarch64) (Tests completed, but using a workaround for a known bug) Old soft failures (same test soft failed in Fedora-Cloud-36-20220707.0): ID: 1318917 Test: x86_64 Cloud_Base-qcow2-qcow2 cloud_autocloud URL: https://op

Re: F37 proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Theodore Papadopoulo
On 7/6/22 08:30, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 05/07/2022 21:15, Matthias Clasen wrote: And I doubt that you'd be able to notice a 'smaller than 1% slowdown' on your system. 4% slowdown is unacceptable. At least for Fedora Workstation, being a useful system for developers with working d

Fedora-Cloud-35-20220708.0 compose check report

2022-07-08 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Soft failed openQA tests: 1/8 (x86_64), 1/8 (aarch64) (Tests completed, but using a workaround for a known bug) Old soft failures (same test soft failed in Fedora-Cloud-35-20220707.0): ID: 1318933 Test: x86_64 Cloud_Base-qcow2-qcow2 cloud_autocloud URL: https://op

New zlib-1.2.12-3 in Fedora Rawhide

2022-07-08 Thread Lukas Javorsky
Hi, After a few issues with the new zlib-1.2.12 release [1], we fixed the incompatible issue spotted in ruby package [2]. I would like to announce the new zlib-1.2.12-3 package that is now present in Fedora Rawhide [3]. This release also brings some new IBM performance optimizations which are me

Re: F37 proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Christian Hergert wrote: > For those not familiar with Sysprof, or profiling the desktop at large, > generally a single program is not the problem. The performance problems > often exist across a number of processes. […] > The most used collector, however, is the perf collector which is just > read

Re: F37 proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
PS: One more question: Christian Hergert wrote: > We have an in-tree parser for ELF that allows us to avoid a lot of > extraneous code when extracting symbols. Partially because libunwind is > incredibly slow (by profiler requirements), and partially because > historically we never had to stash st

Re: F37 proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Thu, Jul 07, 2022 at 08:13:52PM -, Christian Hergert wrote: > Sysprof has modular data collection backends, and not everything > requires linking against libunwind. > > For those not familiar with Sysprof, or profiling the desktop at > large, generally a single program is not the problem. T

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20220708.n.0 changes

2022-07-08 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20220707.n.0 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20220708.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:2 Dropped images: 0 Added packages: 3 Dropped packages:0 Upgraded packages: 123 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 21.28 MiB Size of dropped packages:0

Re: F37 proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Theodore Papadopoulo wrote: > gdb and similar tools are confused, notably because local variables are > "optimsed out" (which I suspect is related to frame pointer). It is not. This is related to compiling with any optimization at all, and you definitely do not want production binaries compiled

Re: Suggestion: Use a unified kernel image by default in the future.

2022-07-08 Thread Simon Farnsworth via devel
On Thursday, 7 July 2022 19:37:16 BST Sharpened Blade via devel wrote: > If it is really compromised, then you have to assume anything the vm sends > you is fake. As far as the owner of guest knows, there could not even a a > real vm, only a ssh shell that looks like it. > In a real situation, th

Re: Fedora SCM requests on the weekend

2022-07-08 Thread Mukundan Ragavan
> On Sun, Jul 03, 2022 at 12:11:40PM +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > That said, until then I can try and run things on weekends. Is there a formal process to volunteer to hold the keys to the kingdom? ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproje

Re: Bugzilla: You can't ask Lennart Poettering because that account is disabled.

2022-07-08 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Luna Jernberg wrote: > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Systemd-Creator-Microsoft > https://linuxactionnews.com/248 Time to remove systemd from the distribution? Kevin Kofler ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject

Re: Bugzilla: You can't ask Lennart Poettering because that account is disabled.

2022-07-08 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 2:05 PM Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Luna Jernberg wrote: > > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Systemd-Creator-Microsoft > > https://linuxactionnews.com/248 > > Time to remove systemd from the distribution? Why? There's other maintainers, and he's no

Re: Bugzilla: You can't ask Lennart Poettering because that account is disabled.

2022-07-08 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said: > Luna Jernberg wrote: > > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Systemd-Creator-Microsoft > > https://linuxactionnews.com/248 > > Time to remove systemd from the distribution? What part of Free and Open says "judge people based on their employe

Re: HEADS UP: tesseract-5.2.0 coming to rawhide

2022-07-08 Thread Sandro Mani
On 08.07.22 09:46, Sandro Mani wrote: Hi I'll update to tesseract-5.2.0 in rawhide, and rebuild affected packages as listed below. I'll do the work in the side tag f37-build-side-54886. Done now, all build succeeded. Sandro ___ devel mailing li

Re: Bugzilla: You can't ask Lennart Poettering because that account is disabled.

2022-07-08 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 9:34 AM Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said: > > Luna Jernberg wrote: > > > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Systemd-Creator-Microsoft > > > https://linuxactionnews.com/248 > > > > Time to remove systemd from the distribution? > > W

Re: [Reminder] CfP open for Nest with Fedora

2022-07-08 Thread Marie Nordin
Hey folks, The deadline for the Nest with Fedora CfP submissions is extended until next Wednesday, July 13th! Make sure to submit your ideas on the Flock Pagure repo: https://pagure.io/flock/issues Registration is also open: https://hopin.com/events/nest-with-fedora-2022 Cheers! -- Marie

Re: Bugzilla: You can't ask Lennart Poettering because that account is disabled.

2022-07-08 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Peter Robinson wrote: > Why? There's other maintainers, and he's not been the lead maintainer > in Fedora for some time. But upstream is now under a hostile corporation's control? Can we trust the most privileged userspace program when it is effectively controlled by a hostile corporation?

Re: Bugzilla: You can't ask Lennart Poettering because that account is disabled.

2022-07-08 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 10:09 AM Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > > Peter Robinson wrote: > > Why? There's other maintainers, and he's not been the lead maintainer > > in Fedora for some time. > > But upstream is now under a hostile corporation's control? Can we trust the > most privileged userspace

Re: Bugzilla: You can't ask Lennart Poettering because that account is disabled.

2022-07-08 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Neal Gompa wrote: > Microsoft has people working on a number of core Linux projects ever > since they started making their own Linux distribution. It is fun how the old https://web.archive.org/web/20220312030903/http://www.mslinux.org/ joke has suddenly become reality. I hope we are not getting E

Re: Bugzilla: You can't ask Lennart Poettering because that account is disabled.

2022-07-08 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jul 08, 2022 at 04:08:55PM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > But upstream is now under a hostile corporation's control? Can we trust the > most privileged userspace program when it is effectively controlled by a > hostile corporation? Let's please not do this. Upstream is an LGPL pr

Re: Bugzilla: You can't ask Lennart Poettering because that account is disabled.

2022-07-08 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Fri, Jul 08, 2022 at 04:08:55PM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: > Peter Robinson wrote: > > Why? There's other maintainers, and he's not been the lead maintainer > > in Fedora for some time. > > But upstream is now under a hostile corporation's control? Can we trust the > most privileged

Re: Bugzilla: You can't ask Lennart Poettering because that account is disabled.

2022-07-08 Thread Paul Wouters
On Fri, 8 Jul 2022, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: But upstream is now under a hostile corporation's control? Can we trust the most privileged userspace program when it is effectively controlled by a hostile corporation? Yes we can, by reading and evaluating the code like we always do. If it st

Re: F37 proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 7/7/22 16:13, Christian Hergert wrote: > Sysprof has modular data collection backends, and not everything requires > linking against libunwind. > > For those not familiar with Sysprof, or profiling the desktop at large, > generally a single program is not the problem. The performance problems

Re: Bugzilla: You can't ask Lennart Poettering because that account is disabled.

2022-07-08 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 08/07/2022 16:14, Matthew Miller wrote: And Microsoft is not the 1990s Microsoft. They know that they need to do this differently and I know there are people (actual, real, humans!) who care about open source and making Linux better for everyone. And now that includes Lennart. No. Microsoft

Re: Bugzilla: You can't ask Lennart Poettering because that account is disabled.

2022-07-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2022-07-08 at 17:20 +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 08/07/2022 16:14, Matthew Miller wrote: > > And Microsoft is not the 1990s Microsoft. They know that > > they need to do this differently and I know there are people (actual, real, > > humans!) who care about open source and ma

Re: Bugzilla: You can't ask Lennart Poettering because that account is disabled.

2022-07-08 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 08/07/2022 17:48, Adam Williamson wrote: That's not what that story says. It says you can't charge for them. Additionally, Microsoft says[1] the intent is not to stop F/OSS developers from charging for their own software, but to stop others passing off for a profit. I agree that the current p

Re: Bugzilla: You can't ask Lennart Poettering because that account is disabled.

2022-07-08 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > For example, last week they decided to kill all OSS applications from > the Microsoft Store: > https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/vtxr9r/software_freedom_conservancy_heads_up_microsoft/ Actually, what they did there actually makes sense to me. The rule prohi

Orphaning some packages

2022-07-08 Thread Christopher Brown
Hello, I've been doing a terrible job of maintaining these recently. Please let me know if you would like to take over. Will orphan otherwise. python-tenacity python-typeguard rubygem-asciidoctor-pdf rubygem-chunky_png rubygem-css_parser rubygem-font-awesome-rails rubygem-pdf-core rubygem-prawn-i

Re: Bugzilla: You can't ask Lennart Poettering because that account is disabled.

2022-07-08 Thread Ben Cotton
Discussion of Microsoft Store policies is off-topic for this list. The Water Cooler category[1] on Fedora Discussion would be a good place to have this conversation. [1] https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/c/fun/8 -- Ben Cotton He / Him / His Fedora Program Manager Red Hat TZ=America/Indiana/In

Fedora-Rawhide-20220708.n.0 compose check report

2022-07-08 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Minimal raw-xz armhfp Compose PASSES proposed Rawhide gating check! All required tests passed Failed openQA tests: 10/236 (x86_64), 16/165 (aarch64) New failures (same test not failed in Fedora-Rawhide-20220707.n.0): ID: 1319040 Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso desktop_pr

Re: F37 proposal: Officially Support Raspberry Pi 4 (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 7:05 PM Alec Leamas wrote: > > Hi, > > On 07/07/2022 17:36, Onuralp SEZER wrote: > > > > For example can you run wayland, or usage of fully supported GPU usage, > > Rs-pi's Camera usage, SPI , I2C , GPIO usages (PWM,Analog and others) > > > Indeed. Also, the installation pro

Re: Orphaning some packages

2022-07-08 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 6:39 PM Christopher Brown wrote: > > Hello, > > I've been doing a terrible job of maintaining these recently. Please let me > know if you would like to take over. Will orphan otherwise. > > python-tenacity > python-typeguard > rubygem-asciidoctor-pdf > rubygem-chunky_png >

Re: F37 proposal: Officially Support Raspberry Pi 4 (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 11:23 PM Sally A. Haj via devel wrote: > > Fist of all, thank you for the big amazing news for Fedora. > I have some questions about the new support of V3D in Fedora, is that support > goes to upstream mainline Linux kernel? If yes, which release of Kernel has > that inclu

Re: F37 proposal: Officially Support Raspberry Pi 4 (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 2:37 PM Ron Olson wrote: > > I have a Pi 4 that runs Fedora just fine; I use it to build Swift (takes > almost 24 hours, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) so what doesn’t work? What podcast was this > mentioned on? Core things have worked for some time, I know, I did the work, but we've not

Re: Orphaning some packages

2022-07-08 Thread Simon de Vlieger
Hey Christopher, I can take over: python-tenacity python-typeguard From you, my FAS account name is: supakeen Regards, Simon On Fri, Jul 8, 2022, at 6:38 PM, Christopher Brown wrote: > Hello, > > I've been doing a terrible job of maintaining these recently. Please > let me know if you would

Re: F37 proposal: Officially Support Raspberry Pi 4 (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 7:49 AM Peter Boy wrote:> > I very much appreciate the work to support the various SBC devices like > Raspberry Pi and workalikes. But I'm a little lost with this proposal. > > > Am 05.07.2022 um 23:16 schrieb Ben Cotton : > > The work around Raspberry Pi 4 has been on goin

Re: F37 proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Ben Beasley
I don’t think we should be gatekeeping who can propose or discuss a Change. I do think that the opinions of the upstream and downstream GCC maintainers should be weighed quite heavily when considering a change to the default compiler flags. As a FESCo member, I’m waiting to see if the Change o

Re: F37 proposal: Officially Support Raspberry Pi 4 (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Steven A. Falco
I like this proposal. Is the intent to use the raw.xz image or the "iso + UEFI" mechanism? Steve ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct

Fedora Prioritized Bugs update

2022-07-08 Thread Ben Cotton
It's been a while since we've had some Prioritized Bugs that are stuck, but here we are. If you can help move these forward, you are a hero. 1. cmake — https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2079833 — NEW Get rid of multiple source path definitions Versions of cmake prior to 3.23 accidentall

Re: F37 proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Christian Hergert
> So it looks like what you folks are doing is actually very similar to what > Facebook is doing. That is interesting, and explains why some GNOME > developers are jumping on the bandwagon of this Change proposal. To be fair, we've been complaining about it internally in GNOME for probably arou

Re: F37 proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Christian Hergert
> Frank Ch. Eigler mentions that elfutils has a more modern unwinding library. > Could that perhaps solve your performance issues with libunwind? I don't think so. The problem is two-fold. First, we have to capture enough of the stack to do offline unwinding. I think the default many people do

Re: F37 proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 9:20 PM Christian Hergert wrote: > > > So it looks like what you folks are doing is actually very similar to what > > Facebook is doing. That is interesting, and explains why some GNOME > > developers are jumping on the bandwagon of this Change proposal. > > To be fair, we'v

Re: F37 proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 7/8/22 15:29, Christian Hergert wrote: >> Frank Ch. Eigler mentions that elfutils has a more modern unwinding library. >> Could that perhaps solve your performance issues with libunwind? > > I don't think so. The problem is two-fold. > > First, we have to capture enough of the stack to do off

Re: Bugzilla: You can't ask Lennart Poettering because that account is disabled.

2022-07-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2022-07-08 at 17:59 +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 08/07/2022 17:48, Adam Williamson wrote: > > That's not what that story says. It says you can't charge for them. > > > > Additionally, Microsoft says[1] the intent is not to stop F/OSS > > developers from charging for their ow

Re: Bugzilla: You can't ask Lennart Poettering because that account is disabled.

2022-07-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2022-07-08 at 12:40 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > Discussion of Microsoft Store policies is off-topic for this list. The > Water Cooler category[1] on Fedora Discussion would be a good place to > have this conversation. Sorry, I sent my last reply before seeing this one. -- Adam Williamson F

Rust Stack Spring Cleaning (July 2022 Edition)

2022-07-08 Thread Fabio Valentini
Hello Rust packagers, Following up on my previous emails, there are still a lot of Rust packages that were imported to Fedora, but the recommended "initial setup" for them was never finished. I have started by adding them all "rust-*" packages to koschei, which makes it way easier for me to see a

Re: [Rust] Rust Stack Spring Cleaning (July 2022 Edition)

2022-07-08 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 09. 07. 22 0:26, Fabio Valentini wrote: In addition, I would ask of all of you to make sure all your packages have been added to the @rust-sig group on src.fedoraproject.org (at least with "commit" access), unless there is a very good reason not to do so (and if that is the case for a particul

Re: F37 proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Christian Hergert
> That is the problem right here: .eh_frame-based unwinding is too slow, so it > has to be > done offline in userspace. What about instead adding ORC information to > userspace? That > would be much faster to use. I'm not familiar with ORC, but there are a few things that initially come to min

Re: F37 proposal: Officially Support Raspberry Pi 4 (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Allan via devel
On Tue, 5 Jul 2022 23:21:36 +0200 Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 05. 07. 22 23:16, Ben Cotton wrote: > > The work around Raspberry Pi 4 has been on going for a number of > > years, but we've never officially supported it due to lack of > > accelerated graphics and other key features. A few of us have l

Re: F37 proposal: Add -fno-omit-frame-pointer to default compilation flags (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 7/8/22 20:18, Christian Hergert wrote: >> That is the problem right here: .eh_frame-based unwinding is too slow, so it >> has to be >> done offline in userspace. What about instead adding ORC information to >> userspace? That >> would be much faster to use. > > I'm not familiar with ORC, bu

Help needed with truth

2022-07-08 Thread Orion Poplawski
The truth package has been failing to build for quite a while, and I can't figure out how to fix it. I believe it's related to versions of the auto package. I dealt with those quite a while ago, but really don't have the time to delve back into it again. Any help would greatly appreciated.

Re: F37 proposal: Officially Support Raspberry Pi 4 (Self-Contained Change proposal)

2022-07-08 Thread Naheem Zaffar
On Sat, 9 Jul 2022, 03:37 Allan via devel, wrote: > On Tue, 5 Jul 2022 23:21:36 +0200 > Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > On 05. 07. 22 23:16, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > The work around Raspberry Pi 4 has been on going for a number of > > > years, but we've never officially supported it due to lack of > >