On Wed, Apr 06, 2022 at 12:19:40PM +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
> On Tuesday, 05 April 2022 at 16:52, Ben Cotton wrote:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS
> >
> > == Summary ==
> > Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on
> > plat
On Tuesday, 05 April 2022 at 21:03, PGNet Dev wrote:
> > Akamai owns Linode, which is a prominent VPS that focuses on Linux
> > (Linode is a contraction meaning "Linux Node").
>
> +1
>
> > DigitalOcean similarly is Linux centric and so Windows doesn't matter.
>
> +1
>
> > Most web hosting provi
On 4/6/22 19:30, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
Reading the comments, it seems the overlooked word is “depreciated”
meaning users will have time to properly transition their hardware.
No, the problem is that saying it's "deprecated" is misleading. If you
can only upgrade a system and can't re-insta
If bout++ and Octave are ready for Sundials 6, we can.
On 4/6/22 22:26, David wrote:
On 4/6/22 18:58, Antonio T. sagitter wrote:
Hi all.
This is the upgrade of some libraries in Rawhide:
petsc-3.17:
$ dnf repoquery --whatrequires 'libpetsc*.so*' --source | sort -u
bout++-4.4.0-2.fc35.src.r
On Mi, 06.04.22 07:33, Neal Gompa (ngomp...@gmail.com) wrote:
> Irrespective of this change, I would flat-out oppose moving to
> sd-boot. In any case, you can't use sd-boot for live media.
>
> If we were going to move to pure EFI boot manager, I'd rather use one
> that has a decent user experience
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:31 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
>
>
> We have not set up an infrastructure for it, but in all honesty, there
> is no technical reason that any 3rd party repository building and
> packaging the driver could not have done such a thing a couple of
Rpmfusion doesn't provide com
On Wednesday, 06 April 2022 at 21:35, Jared Dominguez wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 2:26 PM Michael Catanzaro
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Apr 6 2022 at 01:57:00 PM -0400, Neal Gompa
> > wrote:
> > > Moving past the Big Three(tm), the actual
> > > cloud providers that matter from a Fedora context ar
On Thursday, 07 April 2022 at 08:20, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > On the cloud side, it's been very difficult to articulate any benefits
> > for supporting UEFI when the majority of the consumers of Fedora Cloud
> > don't have any pressing need to do it and things like hibernation and
> > sn
Dne 06. 04. 22 v 22:29 Stephen Gallagher napsal(a):
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 10:43 AM Stephen Gallagher wrote:
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 7:09 AM Alexander Sosedkin wrote:
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 1:00 PM Vít Ondruch wrote:
...
Alexander,
Could this be enabled in ELN? This is not really question
* Chris Murphy:
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:56 AM Florian Weimer wrote:
>>
>> * Peter Robinson:
>>
>> > This is out of context here because you can disable Secure Boot but
>> > still use UEFI to make that work. You're trying to link to different
>> > problems together.
>>
>> I think there's firmwa
> Am 07.04.2022 um 00:25 schrieb Neal Gompa :
>
> It would be useful if we do indeed get a x86 BIOS SIG as Hans de Goede
> proposed. I think Fedora Server and Fedora Cloud would be interested
> in such a thing, given all the caveats right now with dropping BIOS
> support for server-class hardwar
No missing expected images.
Soft failed openQA tests: 1/8 (x86_64), 1/8 (aarch64)
(Tests completed, but using a workaround for a known bug)
Old soft failures (same test soft failed in Fedora-Cloud-35-20220406.0):
ID: 1214512 Test: x86_64 Cloud_Base-qcow2-qcow2 cloud_autocloud
URL: https://op
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 2:20 AM Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > On the cloud side, it's been very difficult to articulate any benefits
> > for supporting UEFI when the majority of the consumers of Fedora Cloud
> > don't have any pressing need to do it and things like hibernation and
> > snapsh
On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 09:43, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> Also, why would a boot menu need a particularly fancy user experience?
Being honest, I think the simplicity of sd-boot is a feature, not a failure.
Richard.
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No missing expected images.
Soft failed openQA tests: 1/8 (x86_64), 1/8 (aarch64)
(Tests completed, but using a workaround for a known bug)
Old soft failures (same test soft failed in Fedora-Cloud-34-20220406.0):
ID: 1214586 Test: x86_64 Cloud_Base-qcow2-qcow2 cloud_autocloud
URL: https://op
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20220406.n.0
NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20220407.n.0
= SUMMARY =
Added images:0
Dropped images: 7
Added packages: 11
Dropped packages:0
Upgraded packages: 77
Downgraded packages: 0
Size of added packages: 60.12 MiB
Size of dropped packages:0
On Thursday, 7 April 2022 09.21.00 WEST Antonio T. sagitter wrote:
> If bout++ and Octave are ready for Sundials 6, we can.
I am not sure that Octave is ready for Sundials 6, at least Octave 6, yet the
recently released Octave 7 (this week) should support it.
Looking a bit further it seems that
Dear all,
You are kindly invited to the meeting:
ELN SIG on 2022-04-08 from 12:00:00 to 13:00:00 US/Eastern
At fedora-meet...@irc.libera.chat
The meeting will be about:
Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10133/
___
devel maili
> On Apr 7, 2022, at 2:31 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 2:20 AM Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>> On the cloud side, it's been very difficult to articulate any benefits
>>> for supporting UEFI when the majority of the consumers of Fedora Cloud
>>> don't have any press
On 05/04/2022 17:08, Neal Gompa wrote:
We also lack solutions for dealing with the NVIDIA driver in
UEFI+Secure Boot case. Are you planning to actually*fix* that now?
1. UEFI != UEFI Secure Boot.
2. akmods on Fedora 36+ can automatically sign all built kernel modules.
--
Sincerely,
Vitaly Z
On 05/04/2022 17:44, Neal Gompa wrote:
It is easier to tell people to boot the media in BIOS mode in some
cases than it is to figure out how to turn off Secure Boot.
Legacy boot on modern hardware is a hack[1]. Some hardware manufactures
even doesn't test CSM support.
[1]: https://www.rodsbo
On 07/04/2022 09:59, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
OVH is another big provider and they don't offer UEFI boot with their
VPS range. I've just confirmed it with their support.
You should contact their support first.
--
Sincerely,
Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org)
On 05/04/2022 17:56, Robbie Harwood wrote:
- Use nouveau (free, open source, cool)
No way. Broken for ages. Causes random hangs on my PC. Also can't work
with modern NVIDIA cards without proprietary firmware installation.
- Sign their own copy of the proprietary driver (involves messing wit
On Tue, Apr 05, 2022 at 06:30:38PM +0100, Tom Hughes via devel wrote:
> On 05/04/2022 15:52, Ben Cotton wrote:
>
> >* There is no migration story from Legacy BIOS to UEFI -
> >repartitioning effectively mandates a reinstall. As a result, we
> >don’t drop support for existing Legacy BIOS systems y
On 05/04/2022 18:29, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
The user experience requirement is: user searches for NVIDIA in GNOME
Software and clicks Install. No further action should be necessary. We
didn't make the NVIDIA driver available from the graphical installer
with the intention that arcane workarou
On 06/04/2022 22:59, Robbie Harwood wrote:
It's less
powerful than the proprietary driver, but if it works out of the box,
it's really difficult to argue with that user experience.
It doesn't work on modern NVIDIA hardware at all without proprietary
firmware installation.
On older hardware,
On 06/04/2022 23:44, Neal Gompa wrote:
Put more concretely in terms of user experience: nouveau causes
regular, random, immediate system freezes with RTX 20 series and RTX
30 series GPUs.
Can confirm that. Also I can reproduce this on legacy GTX 780. Reported
this issue 4 years ago. Not fixed
On 4/7/22 03:43, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Do you think the user experience with grub was *good*? Turing complete
language? Scripts that generate scripts that generate scripts?
Well said.
GRUB2 was actually the reason that I kept many of my UEFI-capable
systems booting in legacy mode for years
OLD: Fedora-36-20220406.n.0
NEW: Fedora-36-20220407.n.0
= SUMMARY =
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Dropped images: 0
Added packages: 0
Dropped packages:0
Upgraded packages: 0
Downgraded packages: 0
Size of added packages: 0 B
Size of dropped packages:0 B
Size of upgraded
On Wed, 2022-04-06 at 21:03 -0500, Justin Forbes wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:31 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 10:23 AM Justin Forbes wrote:
> >
> > > > Apple and Microsoft signing NVIDIA's proprietary driver doesn't at all
> > > > indicate Apple and Microsoft trust
On Wed, 2022-04-06 at 19:30 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
> Reading the comments, it seems the overlooked word is “depreciated”
> meaning users will have time to properly transition their hardware.
The actual word is "deprecated", but I am pretty sure it applies to HW
that is also very deprecia
On 06/04/2022 01:38, Chris Murphy wrote:
Apple and Microsoft signing NVIDIA's proprietary driver doesn't at all
indicate Apple and Microsoft trust the driver itself.
Both MacOS and Windows have stable as rock kernel API/ABI. Linux -
don't. That's why you need to rebuild kernel modules after ev
Once upon a time, Simo Sorce said:
> Ideally dkms (or whatever) could simply generate a key, sign the module
> and manage to get the public key in the right place so that the module
> can be verified.
That's not possible, is it? I assume the user has to interact with the
firmware at some point t
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 9:20 AM Simo Sorce wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2022-04-06 at 21:03 -0500, Justin Forbes wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:31 PM Chris Murphy wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 10:23 AM Justin Forbes
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Apple and Microsoft signing NVIDIA's proprie
On 06/04/2022 02:59, Demi Marie Obenour wrote:
I agree with this. Sign the driver.
/NVIDIA driver maintainer here/
We can't sign the driver, because we're building RPMS with kernel
modules on end user machines with akmods.
Akmods can now automatically sign built kernel modules, but you wil
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 9:27 AM Chris Adams wrote:
>
> Once upon a time, Simo Sorce said:
> > Ideally dkms (or whatever) could simply generate a key, sign the module
> > and manage to get the public key in the right place so that the module
> > can be verified.
>
> That's not possible, is it? I a
On 06/04/2022 06:03, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
That they choose
not to do so for Linux is their right,
even if some wish they did.
Because it is impossible. The Linux kernel doesn't have a stable
API/ABI. You need to rebuild kernel modules after every kernel update.
--
Sincerely,
Vitaly Zaits
On 06/04/2022 22:37, Javier Martinez Canillas wrote:
As Robbied said, I added the /etc/dnf/protected.d/grub2-*.conf to the
grub2
I don't like that. Users should be able to remove grub2 and switch to
systemd-boot.
--
Sincerely,
Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org)
On 05/04/2022 19:30, Tom Hughes via devel wrote:
This is where I have a problem with this, the fact that there is
no upgrade path - virtually my entire installed base of Fedora is
running legacy BIOS and not being able to upgrade them will be
something of a headache.
If you want to switch from
Missing expected images:
Minimal raw-xz armhfp
Compose PASSES proposed Rawhide gating check!
All required tests passed
Failed openQA tests: 9/231 (x86_64), 17/161 (aarch64)
New failures (same test not failed in Fedora-Rawhide-20220406.n.0):
ID: 1214674 Test: x86_64 Workstation-live-iso des
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:53 AM Vít Ondruch wrote:
>
>
> Dne 06. 04. 22 v 22:29 Stephen Gallagher napsal(a):
> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 10:43 AM Stephen Gallagher
> > wrote:
> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 7:09 AM Alexander Sosedkin
> >> wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 1:00 PM Vít Ondruch wrot
On 07/04/2022 10:43, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Do you think the user experience with grub was*good*? Turing complete
language? Scripts that generate scripts that generate scripts?
+1. Current GRUB2 is a collection of hacks. Even the upstream abandoned
it, and it currently maintained mainly in
On 06/04/2022 18:40, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
Currently, once enabled, you are stuck with it and cannot go back if
things break, which is too much risk for me.
Admins can manually disable OTP from your account.
--
Sincerely,
Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org)
Welcome!
I've sponsored you. Looking forward to your contributions.
Pavel
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:04 PM František Šumšal wrote:
> Welcome, Radka, and good luck!
>
> Frantisek
>
> On 4/5/22 12:06, Radka Brychtova wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I am Radka, I have been working in Red Hat Brno since 2014 as
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:51 AM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski <
domi...@greysector.net> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 06 April 2022 at 21:35, Jared Dominguez wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 2:26 PM Michael Catanzaro
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Apr 6 2022 at 01:57:00 PM -0400, Neal Gompa
> > > wrote:
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 8:52 AM wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> You are kindly invited to the meeting:
>ELN SIG on 2022-04-08 from 12:00:00 to 13:00:00 US/Eastern
>At fedora-meet...@irc.libera.chat
>
> The meeting will be about:
I have one topic for the agenda this time around: crypto-policies in
On Thursday, April 7, 2022 3:45:45 PM CEST Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > Sorry for keeping asking naive questions, but is there a chance to do
> > some mass rebuild prior this lands, to asses the impact? Better to avoid
> > (complete?) breakage of ELN and give change to fix the (most
> > outstanding
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 10:12 AM Kamil Dudka wrote:
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 3:45:45 PM CEST Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > > Sorry for keeping asking naive questions, but is there a chance to do
> > > some mass rebuild prior this lands, to asses the impact? Better to avoid
> > > (complete?) br
On Thu, Apr 07, 2022 at 10:58:29AM +0200, Peter Boy wrote:
>
>
> > Am 07.04.2022 um 00:25 schrieb Neal Gompa :
> >
> > It would be useful if we do indeed get a x86 BIOS SIG as Hans de Goede
> > proposed. I think Fedora Server and Fedora Cloud would be interested
> > in such a thing, given all th
Once upon a time, Jared Dominguez said:
> Looks like they are using vSphere, which supports UEFI VMs. The same is
> true for KVM, Xen and bhyve, so it's more about what feature set cloud
> providers using these hypervisors are choosing to turn on.
In a way, this is similar to "your router support
On Di, 05.04.22 17:38, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
> When users have a suboptimal experience by default, it makes Fedora
> look bad. We can't have security concerns overriding all other
> concerns. But it's really pernicious to simultaneously say security is
> important, but we'r
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 10:03 AM Jared Dominguez wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:51 AM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
> wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday, 06 April 2022 at 21:35, Jared Dominguez wrote:
>> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 2:26 PM Michael Catanzaro
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Wed, Apr 6 20
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:11 PM Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 8:52 AM wrote:
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > You are kindly invited to the meeting:
> >ELN SIG on 2022-04-08 from 12:00:00 to 13:00:00 US/Eastern
> >At fedora-meet...@irc.libera.chat
> >
> > The meeting will be
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 10:35 AM Alexander Sosedkin wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:11 PM Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 8:52 AM wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > You are kindly invited to the meeting:
> > >ELN SIG on 2022-04-08 from 12:00:00 to 13:00:00 US
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:33 PM Alexander Sosedkin wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:11 PM Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 8:52 AM wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > You are kindly invited to the meeting:
> > >ELN SIG on 2022-04-08 from 12:00:00 to 13:00:00 US/
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 4:41 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> Myself, I will not enable OTP until there is a way to disable it again.
> Currently, once enabled, you are stuck with it and cannot go back if
> things break, which is too much risk for me.
In some ideal implementation turning on OTP woul
On Wed, Apr 06, 2022 at 12:38:40PM +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:15 PM Josh Boyer wrote:
>
> > I agree 100%. I think this is actually getting to the crux of the
> > issue, which is that while we have a lot of people that want BIOS
> > support to continue, we effective
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 10:36 AM Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 10:03 AM Jared Dominguez wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:51 AM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski <
> domi...@greysector.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, 06 April 2022 at 21:35, Jared Dominguez wrote:
> >>
Hi Stephen,
Stephen Gallagher wrote:
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 10:43 AM Stephen Gallagher
wrote:
I put together a potential solution for testing this in ELN and
submitted an MR:
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/crypto-policies/pull-request/10
It's a little bit heavy-handed of an approach,
On 4/7/22 10:28 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Di, 05.04.22 17:38, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
When users have a suboptimal experience by default, it makes Fedora
look bad. We can't have security concerns overriding all other
concerns. But it's really pernicious to simultane
On Thu, Apr 7 2022 at 02:41:42 PM +, Gary Buhrmaster
wrote:
I had thought there was an open (RFE) issue with
gnome-online-accounts to request support for
OTP use cases, although, as a hard problem, it
is likely not going to see a resolution quickly.
Well the whole point of gnome-online-acc
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:58 AM Peter Boy wrote:
>
>
> > Am 07.04.2022 um 00:25 schrieb Neal Gompa :
> >
> > It would be useful if we do indeed get a x86 BIOS SIG as Hans de Goede
> > proposed. I think Fedora Server and Fedora Cloud would be interested
> > in such a thing, given all the caveats ri
On Wed, Apr 06, 2022 at 10:47:30AM -0400, Robbie Harwood wrote:
> majid hussain writes:
>
> > hi,
> > could someone kindly tell me if my toshiba l750 machine has EFI support?
> > i'm blind and efi/bios screens are in accessible.
Based on a web query, it most likely has EFI support, but it also
s
No missing expected images.
Failed openQA tests: 5/15 (aarch64)
New failures (same test not failed in Fedora-IoT-36-20220406.0):
ID: 1216041 Test: aarch64 IoT-dvd_ostree-iso podman@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/1216041
ID: 1216042 Test: aarch64 IoT-dvd_ostree-iso iot_z
On Do, 07.04.22 10:53, Fedora Development ML (devel@lists.fedoraproject.org)
wrote:
> On 4/7/22 10:28 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Di, 05.04.22 17:38, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
> >
> > > When users have a suboptimal experience by default, it makes Fedora
> > > look bad
Once upon a time, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek said:
> Changing UEFI setting in the firmware is a big problem. We know that
> a) it can only be done by tweaking settings in the firmware interface
> which looks different on every machine, b) users find it very hard in
> general, and c) for blind use
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 11:09 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <
zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 06, 2022 at 10:47:30AM -0400, Robbie Harwood wrote:
> > majid hussain writes:
> >
> > > hi,
> > > could someone kindly tell me if my toshiba l750 machine has EFI
> support?
> > > i'm blind and ef
Vitaly Zaitsev via devel writes:
> On 07/04/2022 10:43, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>> Do you think the user experience with grub was*good*? Turing complete
>> language? Scripts that generate scripts that generate scripts?
>
> +1. Current GRUB2 is a collection of hacks. Even the upstream abandoned
No missing expected images.
Failed openQA tests: 15/161 (aarch64), 5/229 (x86_64)
New failures (same test not failed in Fedora-36-20220406.n.0):
ID: 1215549 Test: aarch64 Server-dvd-iso support_server@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/1215549
ID: 1215586 Test: aarch64 Serv
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RPM-4.18
== Summary ==
Update RPM to the [https://rpm.org/wiki/Releases/4.18.0 4.18] release.
== Owner ==
* Name: [[User:pmatilai|Panu Matilainen]]
* Email: pmati...@redhat.com
== Detailed Description ==
RPM 4.18 contains various improvements over previo
Robert Marcano via devel writes:
> Is this change only related to install media support for booting with
> BIOS only? Would I be able to install newer Fedora releases using Legacy
> PXE on BIOS only machines?
The intent is to indicate that new legacy installations are not
supported, regardless
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 10:59 AM Michael Catanzaro wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 7 2022 at 02:41:42 PM +, Gary Buhrmaster
> wrote:
> > I had thought there was an open (RFE) issue with
> > gnome-online-accounts to request support for
> > OTP use cases, although, as a hard problem, it
> > is likely not
Michael Catanzaro writes:
> On Wed, Apr 6 2022 at 03:35:38 PM -0400, Jared Dominguez
> wrote:
>> This seems like a strong assumption to me considering that aside from
>> the largest cloud providers (with whom Red Hat is directly working
>> with on UEFI boot features and bug reports), cloud pr
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 12:24 PM Ben Cotton wrote:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RPM-4.18
>
> == Summary ==
> Update RPM to the [https://rpm.org/wiki/Releases/4.18.0 4.18] release.
>
> == Owner ==
>
> * Name: [[User:pmatilai|Panu Matilainen]]
> * Email: pmati...@redhat.com
>
>
> == Det
David Duncan writes:
> it also appears that issues have prevented direct contribution based
> on some sort of misconfiguration in the repository, though it sounds
> like this is fixed as of this discussion. It still speaks to more than
> a year of complication in contribution. Is Neal really the
On Thu, Apr 07, 2022 at 12:13:42PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RPM-4.18
> * New interactive shell for working with macros (`rpmspec --shell`)
> and embedded Lua (`rpmlua`)
That sounds cool. Can this be used to do standalone interpretation
of scriptlets? I'm
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 10:59 AM Michael Catanzaro wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 7 2022 at 02:41:42 PM +, Gary Buhrmaster
> wrote:
> > I had thought there was an open (RFE) issue with
> > gnome-online-accounts to request support for
> > OTP use cases, although, as a hard problem, it
> > is likely not
On Thu, Apr 7 2022 at 12:30:42 PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher
wrote:
Well, it *could* grow an interface to some of the password wallet
services that support TOTP or HOTP codes (like Bitwarden, Lastpass,
1password, etc.) and configure it to query that service and append the
code to the password. I
On Thu, Apr 7 2022 at 02:10:06 PM -0400, Christopher
wrote:
At the very least, it could give a more useful error message. One of
my questions in the original post was whether this is even related to
OTP or not... it's not obvious that it is related at all. So far,
there's discussion in response
On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 03:34:49PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 08:12:47PM +0200, Alexander Sosedkin wrote:
> >
> > "You know these lights in the theaters that go out gradually?
> > When the guy ve-ery slo-o-owly pulls the plug out?"
> > - a joke from my childhood.
> >
>
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 8:04 PM Justin Forbes wrote:
> We have not set up an infrastructure for it, but in all honesty, there
> is no technical reason that any 3rd party repository building and
> packaging the driver could not have done such a thing a couple of
> years ago. The mechanism has been
On Thu, 2022-04-07 at 16:16 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 07, 2022 at 10:58:29AM +0200, Peter Boy wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Am 07.04.2022 um 00:25 schrieb Neal Gompa :
> > >
> > > It would be useful if we do indeed get a x86 BIOS SIG as Hans de Goede
> > > proposed. I think
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 8:28 AM Eduardo Lima (Etrunko)
wrote:
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> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:59 AM Sérgio Basto wrote:
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>> On Tue, 2022-04-05 at 22:34 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
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>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:04 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
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>> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:01 PM Richard Shaw
>> wrote:
>
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 3:16 PM Simo Sorce wrote:
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> On Thu, 2022-04-07 at 16:16 +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 07, 2022 at 10:58:29AM +0200, Peter Boy wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Am 07.04.2022 um 00:25 schrieb Neal Gompa :
> > > >
> > > > It would be useful if we do inde
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 12:20 AM Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> > On the cloud side, it's been very difficult to articulate any benefits
> > for supporting UEFI when the majority of the consumers of Fedora Cloud
> > don't have any pressing need to do it and things like hibernation and
> > snaps
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 2:21 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote:
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> On Thu, Apr 7 2022 at 02:10:06 PM -0400, Christopher
> wrote:
> > At the very least, it could give a more useful error message. One of
> > my questions in the original post was whether this is even related to
> > OTP or not... it's not o
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 3:44 PM Christopher wrote:
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> On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 2:21 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 7 2022 at 02:10:06 PM -0400, Christopher
> > wrote:
> > > At the very least, it could give a more useful error message. One of
> > > my questions in the original post
On Thu, Apr 7 2022 at 03:46:14 PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher
wrote:
The original message didn't come to fedora-devel. Could you restate
what the original issue was so we can take a look?
It did, here:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/3R6STPWZ63Y
On 4/7/22 08:02, Jared Dominguez wrote:
This is a proposal. Nothing has changed yet. The choice is now whether
to go forward with it or come together with a cohesive
alternative, including one of the two listed in the proposal. But we
need a solution that accounts for the existing maintainers n
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 3:50 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote:
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> On Thu, Apr 7 2022 at 03:46:14 PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher
> wrote:
> > The original message didn't come to fedora-devel. Could you restate
> > what the original issue was so we can take a look?
>
> It did, here:
>
> https://lists.fedora
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 2:54 AM Florian Weimer wrote:
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> * Chris Murphy:
>
> > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:56 AM Florian Weimer wrote:
> >>
> >> * Peter Robinson:
> >>
> >> > This is out of context here because you can disable Secure Boot but
> >> > still use UEFI to make that work. You're trying to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LegacyXorgDriverRemoval
== Summary ==
This change will remove the `xorg-x11-drv-vesa` and
`xorg-x11-drv-fbdev` driver packages, and associated support code from
the `xorg-x11-server-Xorg` package.
== Owner ==
* Name: [[User:ajax|Adam Jackson]]
* Email: a..
On 4/7/22 08:52, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 05/04/2022 17:44, Neal Gompa wrote:
>> It is easier to tell people to boot the media in BIOS mode in some
>> cases than it is to figure out how to turn off Secure Boot.
>
> Legacy boot on modern hardware is a hack[1]. Some hardware manufactures
How will this affect Desktop Developers who are still reliant on x for
their DE/WM to work? For example, I dont have the needed bits in Lumina for
it to work with Wayland.
I'm asking because I dont know how this will or won't affect me and other
desktops in a similar situation.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022
On 4/6/22 16:17, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 4:09 PM Demi Marie Obenour
> wrote:
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>> On 4/6/22 06:43, Neal Gompa wrote:
>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:04 AM Gary Buhrmaster
>>> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:59 AM Demi Marie Obenour
wrote:
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> On 4/5/22
On 4/7/22 13:04, JT wrote:
How will this affect Desktop Developers who are still reliant on x for
their DE/WM to work? For example, I dont have the needed bits in Lumina
for it to work with Wayland.
I'm asking because I dont know how this will or won't affect me and
other desktops in a similar
* Chris Murphy:
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 2:54 AM Florian Weimer wrote:
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>> * Chris Murphy:
>>
>> > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:56 AM Florian Weimer wrote:
>> >>
>> >> * Peter Robinson:
>> >>
>> >> > This is out of context here because you can disable Secure Boot but
>> >> > still use UEFI to make
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 8:28 AM Lennart Poettering wrote:
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> On Di, 05.04.22 17:38, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
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> > When users have a suboptimal experience by default, it makes Fedora
> > look bad. We can't have security concerns overriding all other
> > concerns. But it's real
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 4:16 PM Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 4/7/22 13:04, JT wrote:
> > How will this affect Desktop Developers who are still reliant on x for
> > their DE/WM to work? For example, I dont have the needed bits in Lumina
> > for it to work with Wayland.
> > I'm asking because I dont know
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 10:04 AM Jared Dominguez wrote:
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> Microsoft has required since Windows 8 (released in 2012) that any systems
> that are certified with Windows must ship with UEFI by default
The Windows Hardware Certification Program is a marketing program. If
you want to say things like
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