Re: Update for fedora-obsolete-packages

2022-04-06 Thread Petr Pisar
V Mon, Apr 04, 2022 at 01:04:01AM +0200, Ewoud Kohl van Wijngaarden napsal(a): > On Sun, Apr 03, 2022 at 10:47:45PM +0100, Ian McInerney via devel wrote: > > There hasn't been an update to the fedora-obsolete-packages package after > > the upgrade testing that was done last month in preparation for

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread laolux laolux via devel
I have no strong opinion on this, and not much say anyways, but I thought I could share my little piece of info. My currently one and only computer is a 2012 MSI GE60 0ND, with a core i7-3630QM, 16GB RAM and retrofitted with a SSD. So I would say fast enough for using Fedora. At least according t

Fedora-Cloud-35-20220406.0 compose check report

2022-04-06 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Soft failed openQA tests: 1/8 (x86_64), 1/8 (aarch64) (Tests completed, but using a workaround for a known bug) Old soft failures (same test soft failed in Fedora-Cloud-35-20220405.0): ID: 1212930 Test: x86_64 Cloud_Base-qcow2-qcow2 cloud_autocloud URL: https://op

Review swap: mininet

2022-04-06 Thread Iñaki Ucar
Hi, Here's the request: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2072115 Happy to review something in exchange. Cheers, -- Iñaki Úcar ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedorapro

Re: Update for fedora-obsolete-packages

2022-04-06 Thread Ewoud Kohl van Wijngaarden
On Wed, Apr 06, 2022 at 09:07:59AM +0200, Petr Pisar wrote: V Mon, Apr 04, 2022 at 01:04:01AM +0200, Ewoud Kohl van Wijngaarden napsal(a): On Sun, Apr 03, 2022 at 10:47:45PM +0100, Ian McInerney via devel wrote: > There hasn't been an update to the fedora-obsolete-packages package after > the up

Fedora-Cloud-34-20220406.0 compose check report

2022-04-06 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Soft failed openQA tests: 1/8 (x86_64), 1/8 (aarch64) (Tests completed, but using a workaround for a known bug) Old soft failures (same test soft failed in Fedora-Cloud-34-20220405.0): ID: 1212946 Test: x86_64 Cloud_Base-qcow2-qcow2 cloud_autocloud URL: https://op

Re: Move existing build into side tag?

2022-04-06 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Tue, 2022-04-05 at 22:34 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:04 PM Neal Gompa > wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:01 PM Richard Shaw > > wrote: > > > > > > Google has failed me, how do I go about moving an existing build > > into a side tag I just created? > > > > > > >

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Tuesday, 05 April 2022 at 16:52, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > == Summary == > Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on > platforms that support it (x86_64). Legacy BIOS support is not > removed, but new non-UEFI inst

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20220406.n.0 changes

2022-04-06 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20220405.n.2 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20220406.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:0 Dropped images: 0 Added packages: 0 Dropped packages:0 Upgraded packages: 12 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 0 B Size of dropped packages:0 B Size

Bodhi 6.0: What's new

2022-04-06 Thread Aurelien Bompard
Hey everyone! Bodhi 6.0 will be published in a few days, and deployed to production a couple weeks after the Fedora release. It has backwards-incompatible changes, here's what you need to know. == Authentication == Bodhi gained support for OpenID Connect (OIDC) authentication, like most of Fedora

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:04 AM Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:59 AM Demi Marie Obenour > wrote: > > > > On 4/5/22 19:38, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > We either want users with NVIDIA hardware to be inside the Secure Boot > > > fold or we don't. I want them in the fold *despite

Re: Landing a larger-than-release change (distrusting SHA-1 signatures)

2022-04-06 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 08. 03. 22 v 19:40 Alexander Sosedkin napsal(a): Hello, community, I need your wisdom for planning a disruptive change. Fedora 28 had https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings Fedora 33 had https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2 I believe we should st

Re: Landing a larger-than-release change (distrusting SHA-1 signatures)

2022-04-06 Thread Alexander Sosedkin
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 1:00 PM Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > Dne 08. 03. 22 v 19:40 Alexander Sosedkin napsal(a): > > Hello, community, I need your wisdom for planning a disruptive change. > > > > Fedora 28 had https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings > > Fedora 33 had https://fedora

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Richard Hughes
On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 at 11:20, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > and on its way out. As it ages, maintainability has decreased, and > > the status quo of maintaining both stacks in perpetuity is not viable > > for those currently doing that work. > Have you tried getting more people involve

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread John Boero
I can fully understand why this would be done. As per the original discussion when Peter Robinson mentioned a Spin to deprecate BIOS, would anybody else be interested in helping with a Spin for legacy BIOS support? I agree with the e-waste comments and it seems a shame to trash some perfectly

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 7:14 AM John Boero wrote: > > I can fully understand why this would be done. As per the original > discussion when Peter Robinson mentioned a Spin to deprecate BIOS, would > anybody else be interested in helping with a Spin for legacy BIOS support? I > agree with the e-

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 05/04/2022 16:52, Ben Cotton wrote: Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on platforms that support it (x86_64). Legacy BIOS support is not removed, but new non-UEFI installation is not supported on those platforms. This is a first step toward eventually removing lega

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 7:30 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 05/04/2022 16:52, Ben Cotton wrote: > > Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on > > platforms that support it (x86_64). Legacy BIOS support is not > > removed, but new non-UEFI installation is not suppo

Re: Bodhi 6.0: What's new

2022-04-06 Thread Frantisek Lachman
Hi Aurélien! thanks for the hard work on the new Bodhi release! I have a question on the non-interactive way of Bodhi authentication. I understand that supporting OpenID is hard, but are there some other options to support this workflow in the future? A little bit of context: * We, as a Packit t

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 05. 04. 22 v 17:08 Neal Gompa napsal(a): On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS == Summary == Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on platforms that support it (x86_64). Legacy BIOS support is

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Ben Beasley
Indeed, HP (now HPE) first introduced UEFI support to their ProLiant servers in the Gen8 series, which I believe was around 2013. While I think the previous G7 servers have reached the end of their support lifecycle (but are probably still happily running in some places), UEFI has indeed been s

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread PGNet Dev
On 4/6/22 8:03 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: If you really have a need to reinstall such machine, you'll take the F36 image and upgrade to F37+ and you should still be good. With 100s - 1000s of of affected machines -- real & virtual -- still in operation, with usable lifetimes of years-to-come, fro

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 7:08 AM Richard Hughes wrote: > > On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 at 11:20, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski > wrote: > > > and on its way out. As it ages, maintainability has decreased, and > > > the status quo of maintaining both stacks in perpetuity is not viable > > > for those curre

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 8:04 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > Dne 05. 04. 22 v 17:08 Neal Gompa napsal(a): > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > >> > >> == Summary == > >> Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora i

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 1:16 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:07 PM Demi Marie Obenour > wrote: > > > > On 4/5/22 16:09, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > This problem also makes life miserable for people working with third > > > party open source kernel modules too. As a live streamer, f

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread PGNet Dev
I'm shutting up now, because this comment from ngompa is, IMO, very well/thoroughly said. thx Neal! On 4/6/22 8:16 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: If you really have a need to reinstall such machine, you'll take the F36 image and upgrade to F37+ and you should still be good. This is not a deprecation

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Wednesday, 06 April 2022 at 13:07, Richard Hughes wrote: > On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 at 11:20, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski > wrote: > > > and on its way out. As it ages, maintainability has decreased, and > > > the status quo of maintaining both stacks in perpetuity is not viable > > > for those c

Re: Bodhi 6.0: What's new

2022-04-06 Thread Aurelien Bompard
Hey Frantisek! Excellent questions! > * Our users can use Packit via CLI and use their identity for Bodhi > connections. With this, it's not nice, but doable to open a web-browser. (Not > sure how this works in the containerised use-cases.) The Bodhi CLI will display a URL that you'll have to

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:15 PM Josh Boyer wrote: > I agree 100%. I think this is actually getting to the crux of the > issue, which is that while we have a lot of people that want BIOS > support to continue, we effectively have nobody that wants to do the > work to make it happen. In a previou

Re: Bodhi 6.0: What's new

2022-04-06 Thread Vít Ondruch
I wonder if kerberos going to be supported or not? Vít Dne 06. 04. 22 v 12:37 Aurelien Bompard napsal(a): Hey everyone! Bodhi 6.0 will be published in a few days, and deployed to production a couple weeks after the Fedora release. It has backwards-incompatible changes, here's what you nee

Fedora-Rawhide-20220406.n.0 compose check report

2022-04-06 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Minimal raw-xz armhfp Compose PASSES proposed Rawhide gating check! All required tests passed Failed openQA tests: 7/231 (x86_64), 10/161 (aarch64) New failures (same test not failed in Fedora-Rawhide-20220405.n.2): ID: 1213061 Test: x86_64 KDE-live-iso apps_starts

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread JT
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 4:06 AM laolux laolux via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > I have no strong opinion on this, and not much say anyways, but I thought > I could share my little piece of info. > My currently one and only computer is a 2012 MSI GE60 0ND, with a core > i7-3630QM,

Fedora 36 compose report: 20220406.n.0 changes

2022-04-06 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-36-20220405.n.0 NEW: Fedora-36-20220406.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:0 Dropped images: 0 Added packages: 2 Dropped packages:0 Upgraded packages: 45 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 55.94 KiB Size of dropped packages:0 B Size of

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread David Both
I live in a 1st world country and have lots of new computers that this change would not affect. However I still have some older computers that fall outside the UEFI range and use only BIOS. I would still like to keep these computers running and up to date so that they are secure and have the most

Fedora-IoT-37-20220406.0 compose check report

2022-04-06 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Iot dvd x86_64 Iot dvd aarch64 Failed openQA tests: 4/15 (aarch64) Old failures (same test failed in Fedora-IoT-37-20220404.0): ID: 1213432 Test: aarch64 IoT-dvd_ostree-iso iot_clevis@uefi URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/1213432 ID: 1213434 Test: aar

Re: Move existing build into side tag?

2022-04-06 Thread Eduardo Lima (Etrunko)
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:59 AM Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Tue, 2022-04-05 at 22:34 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:04 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:01 PM Richard Shaw wrote: > > > > Google has failed me, how do I go about moving an existing build into

Re: Bodhi 6.0: What's new

2022-04-06 Thread Frantisek Lachman
Thank you for your quick answer Aurélien! I hope this workflow can work for us. Maybe a few related questions (sorry if it is documented somewhere, any link is welcome): * What is the expiration period? Or, can we set the expiration date ourselves? * Can we use multiple tokens in parallel to ease

GNOME Online Accounts "Fedora" - Pre-authentication failed

2022-04-06 Thread Christopher
In the past, I have used GNOME Online Accounts "Fedora Account" before to maintain my Kerberos identity in my Fedora desktop so I can easily access packager tooling without having to authenticate on the command-line manually. However, this no longer seems to work. Now, I get "Pre-authentication fai

Re: Bodhi 6.0: What's new

2022-04-06 Thread Aurelien Bompard
> I wonder if kerberos going to be supported or not? Not at this time. Aurélien ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproj

Re: Bodhi 6.0: What's new

2022-04-06 Thread Aurelien Bompard
> * What is the expiration period? Or, can we set the expiration date ourselves? What expiration do you mean? The buildroot override setting that save_override() gives access to is really unrelated to authentication and you probably don't need it if you didn't need it before. If you mean when Op

Re: [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Prioritized bugs and issues

2022-04-06 Thread Luna Jernberg
Attending today :) On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:19 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 6:07 AM wrote: > > > > You are kindly invited to the meeting: > >Prioritized bugs and issues on 2022-04-06 from 10:00:00 to 11:00:00 > America/Indiana/Indianapolis > >At fedora-meetin...@irc.lib

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread John Boero
There are other ways to create bootable media, right? Does everything need to be Koji+Lorax? ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://doc

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Alberto Abrao
F On 2022-04-06 07:16, Neal Gompa wrote: Moreover, it puts the burden on people to figure out if their hardware can boot and install Fedora when we clearly haven't reached a critical mass yet for doing so, like we did when we finally removed the i686 kernel build. All points by Neal were valid

Re: Bodhi 6.0: What's new

2022-04-06 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 06. 04. 22 v 14:31 Aurelien Bompard napsal(a): * For other Fedora systems, we use Kerberos authentication, are there some plans to add it? Nope, there's no plan for that at the moment. FYI We recently added the Kerberos support to Copr cli. You can steal the code here: https://pagure.io

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 4/5/22 16:52, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > Fedora already requires a 2GHz dual core CPU at minimum (and therefore > mandates that machines must have been made after 2006). But machines made between 2006-2012 generally did not have EF

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 10:18 AM Hans de Goede wrote: > > Hi, > > behalf of my employer (Red Hat)> > > On 4/5/22 16:52, Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > > > > Fedora already requires a 2GHz dual core CPU at minimum (and therefore > > mandates t

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Alberto Abrao said: > Also, let me state that many machines who'd be UEFI capable on paper > are *not*: in my experience, many early UEFI machines (2009 up to > 2014) have a very buggy implementation, to the point of being > unusable and/or a terrible experience. One add to that

Re: RFI/RFC: Fedora Linux graphical recovery environment

2022-04-06 Thread stan via devel
On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 11:26:35 -0500 Gregory Bartholomew wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:47 AM stan via devel > wrote: > > I just manually remove the rescue vmlinuz and initramfs and > > then run > > /usr/lib/kernel/install.d/51-dracut-rescue.install add $(uname -r) > > "" /lib/modules/$(uname

Re: Landing a larger-than-release change (distrusting SHA-1 signatures)

2022-04-06 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 7:09 AM Alexander Sosedkin wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 1:00 PM Vít Ondruch wrote: ... > > Alexander, > > > > Could this be enabled in ELN? This is not really question but > > suggestion. It is unfortunate, that ELN, while intermediate step for c9s > > does not have th

Re: Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Robbie Harwood
majid hussain writes: > hi, > could someone kindly tell me if my toshiba l750 machine has EFI support? > i'm blind and efi/bios screens are in accessible. Easiest is probably to do: ls /sys/firmware/efi This tells you whether the machine booted using UEFI. anaconda will set up a UEFI-capable

Re: RFI/RFC: Fedora Linux graphical recovery environment

2022-04-06 Thread stan via devel
On Tue, 5 Apr 2022 11:35:16 -0500 Gregory Bartholomew wrote: > On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 9:40 PM Gordon Messmer > wrote: > > > The ticket mentions Boot Repair, which is the first thing that > > comes to mind: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair > > > Boot repair is obviously tricky b

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Robbie Harwood
Vít Ondruch writes: > Maybe I don't correctly understand the "Legacy BIOS support is not > removed, but new non-UEFI installation is not supported on those > platforms." quoted from the the change description, but if you have your > system installed, it should keep working. You just keep updat

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Robbie Harwood
Neal Gompa writes: > This is not a deprecation change, this is effectively a removal > change. By removing the packages and the tooling support for legacy > BIOS, it makes several scenarios (including recovery) harder. > Moreover, it puts the burden on people to figure out if their hardware > can

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Björn Persson
laolux laolux via devel wrote: > I am willing to throw away my still working notebook, producing a little bit > electronic waste when the time comes. I'm not. It remains to be seen how long Fedora will continue to work on my ten-year-old laptop, but when the time comes I will not trash it and buy

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Robbie Harwood
"Andre Robatino" writes: > Those figures are recommended minimums, not requirements. I have a > single core F35 machine which works fine. It's important to note here that "works fine" isn't the same as "is supported". My reading of that document is that if one goes below what's laid out in "Min

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Björn Persson
JT wrote: > I realize some will have the attitude of "they can just not upgrade and > keep using their old Fedora versions". That's obviously not a solution for any Internet-connected computer. Even if you communicate only by moving files on USB sticks or diskettes, it's still dangerous to let kno

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 10:59 AM Robbie Harwood wrote: > > Neal Gompa writes: > > > This is not a deprecation change, this is effectively a removal > > change. By removing the packages and the tooling support for legacy > > BIOS, it makes several scenarios (including recovery) harder. > > Moreover

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Robbie Harwood
Chris Murphy writes: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > >> Legacy BIOS support is not removed, but new non-UEFI installation is >> not supported on those platforms. This is a first step toward >> eventually removing legacy BIOS support entirely. > > What is the distinction bet

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Robbie Harwood
Neal Gompa writes: > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 7:14 AM John Boero wrote: >> >> I can fully understand why this would be done. As per the original >> discussion when Peter Robinson mentioned a Spin to deprecate BIOS, >> would anybody else be interested in helping with a Spin for legacy >> BIOS supp

Fedora-36-20220406.n.0 compose check report

2022-04-06 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Failed openQA tests: 6/229 (x86_64), 11/161 (aarch64) New failures (same test not failed in Fedora-36-20220405.n.0): ID: 1213505 Test: x86_64 Server-boot-iso install_default URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/1213505 ID: 1213649 Test: aarch64 Server-d

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread stan via devel
On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 06:28:59 +0200 majid hussain wrote: > could someone kindly tell me if my toshiba l750 machine has EFI > support? i'm blind and efi/bios screens are in accessible. This question is better suited to the user list rather than this thread, but if your laptop came with windows 8 or

Fedora-IoT-36-20220406.0 compose check report

2022-04-06 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Failed openQA tests: 1/15 (aarch64) Old failures (same test failed in Fedora-IoT-36-20220405.0): ID: 1213994 Test: aarch64 IoT-dvd_ostree-iso iot_clevis@uefi URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/1213994 Passed openQA tests: 14/15 (aarch64), 15/15 (x86_64)

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Robbie Harwood
Neal Gompa writes: > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 10:59 AM Robbie Harwood wrote: >> Neal Gompa writes: >> >>> 3. At various times, people have explicitly said "patches NOT >>> welcome" >> >> I see no evidence of this having happened, and it's definitely not >> something I've said. > > The grub2 packa

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Robert Marcano via devel
On 4/5/22 10:52 AM, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS ... It is inevitable that legacy BIOS will be removed in a future release. To ease this transition as best we can, there will be a period (of at least one Fedora release) where it will be possible

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Jared Dominguez
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 8:20 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 8:04 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > > > > Dne 05. 04. 22 v 17:08 Neal Gompa napsal(a): > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > >> > > >> =

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Apr 6 2022 at 08:16:09 AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: This is not a deprecation change, this is effectively a removal change. By removing the packages and the tooling support for legacy BIOS, it makes several scenarios (including recovery) harder. Moreover, it puts the burden on people to f

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Apr 6 2022 at 11:11:37 AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: The grub2 package had pull requests disabled until last year. That's a pretty obvious hammer to indicate patches are not welcome. That's why I couldn't send PRs to add the protected.d files for grub and had to wait for someone else to do

Self Introduction: Andreas Vögele

2022-04-06 Thread Andreas Vögele via devel
Hello Fedora developers, I'm Andreas from Stuttgart in Germany. I'm a system administrator and software developer, who moved his computers to Fedora about a year ago. I've written a handful of Perl modules that I package at the Open Build Service and Copr. I'd like to maintain some of these mo

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Justin Forbes
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 6:39 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:08 PM Jared Dominguez wrote: > > > The security of UEFI systems is immeasurably better. Standardized firmware > > updates, support for modern secure TPMs, OS protection from firmware (SMM > > mitigations), HTTP(S) b

Re: FESCo wants to know what you use i686 packages for

2022-04-06 Thread Nathanael Noblet
Hello, I didn't think I needed i386 personally. In fact due to this thread I removed many i386 packages left on my machine. Just today I plugged in an 'IronKey' device. Its an encrypted USB drive. When plugged in a read only like mount is mounted, like a CD. On it is a binary to unlock the d

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:23 PM Justin Forbes wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 6:39 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:08 PM Jared Dominguez wrote: > > > > > The security of UEFI systems is immeasurably better. Standardized > > > firmware updates, support for modern secure

Re: FESCo wants to know what you use i686 packages for

2022-04-06 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
One more update. On Wed, 2022-04-06 at 16:24 +, Nathanael Noblet wrote: > Hello, > >    I didn't think I needed i386 personally. In fact due to this > thread I removed many i386 packages left on my machine. Just today I > plugged in an 'IronKey' device. Its an encrypted USB drive. When > plug

Re: RFI/RFC: Fedora Linux graphical recovery environment

2022-04-06 Thread Robert Marcano via devel
On 4/5/22 11:11 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:47 AM stan via devel wrote: On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 15:58:14 -0500 Gregory Bartholomew wrote: Of topic but related: I wish there was supported option to remove the current rescue kernel, Is echo "dracut_rescue_image=no" > /etc/dra

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Adam Jackson
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 6:51 PM Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > I'm flattered, but I intend to drop vesa in F37 regardless of the > > outcome of this particular change. The only supported way to get to > > graphics with vesa is to use Xorg, and we sincerely want to be out of > > the business of main

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Robbie Harwood
Michael Catanzaro writes: > Woah, what happened here? Why would any Fedora package ever disable > pull requests? I suspect it was an accident. I can't speak to why - if my co-maintainers know, maybe they can - but it seems possible it got toggled while someone was looking for something else in

Re: GNOME Online Accounts "Fedora" - Pre-authentication failed

2022-04-06 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Apr 6 2022 at 09:42:42 AM -0400, Christopher wrote: Is this a problem with GNOME Online Accounts, or is this a problem with the KDC, or is this related to the use of 2FA/OTP? For the password in the GNOME Online Accounts dialogue box, I entered my Fedora password followed by my OTP.

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Tom Hughes via devel
On 06/04/2022 15:36, Chris Adams wrote: One add to that: just because a system has UEFI doesn't mean it supports all the same boot methods equally. I do a lot of network installs, and early UEFI systems I tried had broken PXE support (not sure when this may have changed, as I then didn't try fo

Re: Heads up: python-redis 4.2.1

2022-04-06 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 04. 04. 22 10:51, Frantisek Zatloukal wrote: I'll handle all the rebuilds of packages BuildRequiring and Requiring python-redis in a side-tag, I'll reply here with the exact side-tag once it gets created if somebody wants to build their package there. Is there any particular reason why the

Batch updates PETSc-3.17 hypre-2.24.0 superlu_dist-7.2.0

2022-04-06 Thread Antonio T. sagitter
Hi all. This is the upgrade of some libraries in Rawhide: petsc-3.17: $ dnf repoquery --whatrequires 'libpetsc*.so*' --source | sort -u bout++-4.4.0-2.fc35.src.rpm dolfin-2019.1.0.post0-21.fc35.src.rpm getdp-3.3.0-12.fc35.src.rpm PETSc-3.17 needs superlu_dist-6.3.0 at least, so i prepared

Fedora CoreOS Meeting Minutes 2022-04-06

2022-04-06 Thread Dusty Mabe
Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2022-04-06/fedora_coreos_meeting.2022-04-06-16.30.html Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2022-04-06/fedora_coreos_meeting.2022-04-06-16.30.txt Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2022

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 11:50 AM Jared Dominguez wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 8:20 AM Neal Gompa wrote: >> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 8:04 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: >> > >> > >> > Dne 05. 04. 22 v 17:08 Neal Gompa napsal(a): >> > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: >> > >> ht

[Test-Announce] Fedora Linux 36 Final Go/No-Go meeting next week

2022-04-06 Thread Ben Cotton
Hi everyone, The Fedora Linux 36 Final Go/No-Go meeting[1] is scheduled for Thursday 14 April at 1700 UTC in #fedora-meeting. At this time, we will determine the status of the F36 Final for the 19 April early target date[2]. For more information about the Go/No-Go meeting, see the wiki[3]. [1] ht

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Apr 6 2022 at 01:57:00 PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: Moving past the Big Three(tm), the actual cloud providers that matter from a Fedora context are the smaller outfits that principally serve Linux users. These are companies like DigitalOcean, Linode (Akamai), Hetzner, VexxHost, and others

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Florian Weimer
* Adam Jackson: > 2 - How is this our problem to solve? NVIDIA are the ones with the > private source code. Isn't it Fedora's decision to require kernel module signing when Secure Boot is active? So it's actually us who create the problem in the first place? Thanks, Florian

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Jared Dominguez
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 2:26 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On Wed, Apr 6 2022 at 01:57:00 PM -0400, Neal Gompa > wrote: > > Moving past the Big Three(tm), the actual > > cloud providers that matter from a Fedora context are the smaller > > outfits that principally serve Linux users. These are com

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 4/6/22 06:43, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:04 AM Gary Buhrmaster > wrote: >> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:59 AM Demi Marie Obenour >> wrote: >>> >>> On 4/5/22 19:38, Chris Murphy wrote: We either want users with NVIDIA hardware to be inside the Secure Boot fold or we

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 4:09 PM Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > On 4/6/22 06:43, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:04 AM Gary Buhrmaster > > wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:59 AM Demi Marie Obenour > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> On 4/5/22 19:38, Chris Murphy wrote: > We eithe

Re: Batch updates PETSc-3.17 hypre-2.24.0 superlu_dist-7.2.0

2022-04-06 Thread David
On 4/6/22 18:58, Antonio T. sagitter wrote: Hi all. This is the upgrade of some libraries in Rawhide: petsc-3.17: $ dnf repoquery --whatrequires 'libpetsc*.so*' --source | sort -u bout++-4.4.0-2.fc35.src.rpm dolfin-2019.1.0.post0-21.fc35.src.rpm getdp-3.3.0-12.fc35.src.rpm PETSc-3.17 nee

Re: Landing a larger-than-release change (distrusting SHA-1 signatures)

2022-04-06 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 10:43 AM Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 7:09 AM Alexander Sosedkin > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 1:00 PM Vít Ondruch wrote: > ... > > > Alexander, > > > > > > Could this be enabled in ELN? This is not really question but > > > suggestion. It

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 4/6/22 16:23, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 10:18 AM Hans de Goede wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> > behalf of my employer (Red Hat)> >> >> On 4/5/22 16:52, Ben Cotton wrote: >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS >> >> >> >>> Fedora already requires a 2GHz du

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Apr 6 2022 at 03:35:38 PM -0400, Jared Dominguez wrote: This seems like a strong assumption to me considering that aside from the largest cloud providers (with whom Red Hat is directly working with on UEFI boot features and bug reports), cloud providers are using off-the-shelf hypervis

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Javier Martinez Canillas
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 5:51 PM Jared Dominguez wrote: [snip] > > Per my reply to you yesterday, I would be grateful if you would list out > examples here. This is the second time I've heard this, and it's not concrete > enough for a constructive conversation on that topic. > >> 2. The packages

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Apr 06, 2022 at 11:02:17AM -0400, Robbie Harwood wrote: > "Andre Robatino" writes: > > > Those figures are recommended minimums, not requirements. I have a > > single core F35 machine which works fine. > > It's important to note here that "works fine" isn't the same as "is > supported".

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Robbie Harwood
Demi Marie Obenour writes: > On 4/5/22 12:29, Michael Catanzaro wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 5 2022 at 11:56:07 AM -0400, Robbie Harwood >> wrote: >>> Users wishing to use NVIDIA hardware have the following options: >>> >>> - Use nouveau (free, open source, cool) >>> - Sign their own copy of the propr

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Robbie Harwood
Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski writes: > On Wednesday, 06 April 2022 at 13:07, Richard Hughes wrote: >> Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: >> and on its way out. As it ages, maintainability has decreased, and the status quo of maintaining both stacks in perpetuity is not viable >>>

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Robbie Harwood
Demi Marie Obenour writes: > On 4/6/22 06:43, Neal Gompa wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:04 AM Gary Buhrmaster >> wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:59 AM Demi Marie Obenour >>> wrote: On 4/5/22 19:38, Chris Murphy wrote: > We either want users with NVIDIA hardware to be

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 4/6/22 16:59, Robbie Harwood wrote: > Demi Marie Obenour writes: > >> On 4/5/22 12:29, Michael Catanzaro wrote: >>> On Tue, Apr 5 2022 at 11:56:07 AM -0400, Robbie Harwood >>> wrote: Users wishing to use NVIDIA hardware have the following options: - Use nouveau (free, open sou

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Robbie Harwood
Demi Marie Obenour writes: > On 4/6/22 16:59, Robbie Harwood wrote: >> Demi Marie Obenour writes: >> >>> On 4/5/22 12:29, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Tue, Apr 5 2022 at 11:56:07 AM -0400, Robbie Harwood wrote: > Users wishing to use NVIDIA hardware have the following options: >>

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 5:37 PM Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > On 4/6/22 16:59, Robbie Harwood wrote: > > Demi Marie Obenour writes: > > > >> On 4/5/22 12:29, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > >>> On Tue, Apr 5 2022 at 11:56:07 AM -0400, Robbie Harwood > >>> wrote: > Users wishing to use NVIDIA hard

Re: filesystems and year 2038

2022-04-06 Thread Eric Sandeen
On 4/4/22 2:51 PM, Justin Forbes wrote: > On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 11:47 AM Colin Walters wrote: >> >> Hi, creating a thread on this from: >> https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-config/pull/1650 >> >> Basically I'd propose that not just our default images have y2038-compatible >> filesystem set

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