Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:42 PM Gregory Bartholomew wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:51 PM Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:47 AM Gregory Bartholomew >> wrote: >> >> > I haven't done a "default" Fedora Server installation in a long time, so >> > I'm not sure how they are la

Re: filesystems and year 2038

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:27 AM Colin Walters wrote: > Or, maybe it's an Anaconda thing to override it? I don't think so (from Workstation edition installation) # grep mke2 /var/log/anaconda/storage.log INFO:program:Running... mke2fs -t ext4 /dev/vda2 INFO:program:b'mke2fs 1.46.5 (30-Dec-2021)'

Re: filesystems and year 2038

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:50 AM Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Colin Walters said: > > Ah but with a 512M disk I do get 256 bit inodes, I bet that's the > > difference. > > It comes from /etc/mke2fs.conf... kind of. Below 512M, mke2fs chooses > to use the "small" config from there, whi

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 4/5/22 15:58, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:18 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > >> While this will eventually reduce workload for boot/installation >> components (grub2 reduces surface area, syslinux goes away entirely, >> anaconda reduces surface area), the reduction in support burden

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Kevin Kofler via devel
Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS > > == Summary == > Make UEFI a hardware requirement for new Fedora installations on > platforms that support it (x86_64). Legacy BIOS support is not > removed, but new non-UEFI installation is not supported on those >

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 6:59 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > Current owners plan to orphan some packages regardless of whether the > > proposal is accepted. > > And that is completely unacceptable blackmailing. > Blackmail is always conditional. Stating openly that someone is going to do someth

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:08 PM Jared Dominguez wrote: > The security of UEFI systems is immeasurably better. Standardized firmware > updates, support for modern secure TPMs, OS protection from firmware (SMM > mitigations), HTTP(S) boot support, largely shared and open sourced firmware > codeba

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Andre Robatino
Those figures are recommended minimums, not requirements. I have a single core F35 machine which works fine. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduc

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Jared Dominguez
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 7:39 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:08 PM Jared Dominguez wrote: > > > The security of UEFI systems is immeasurably better. Standardized > firmware updates, support for modern secure TPMs, OS protection from > firmware (SMM mitigations), HTTP(S) boot sup

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > Legacy BIOS support is not > removed, but new non-UEFI installation is not supported on those > platforms. This is a first step toward eventually removing legacy > BIOS support entirely. What is the distinction between "support is not removed" a

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Jared Dominguez
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:51 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > Legacy BIOS support is not > > removed, but new non-UEFI installation is not supported on those > > platforms. This is a first step toward eventually removing legacy > > BIOS support entire

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 4/5/22 19:38, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:08 PM Jared Dominguez wrote: > >> The security of UEFI systems is immeasurably better. Standardized firmware >> updates, support for modern secure TPMs, OS protection from firmware (SMM >> mitigations), HTTP(S) boot support, largel

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 6:55 PM Jared Dominguez wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:51 PM Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:54 AM Ben Cotton wrote: >> > Legacy BIOS support is not >> > removed, but new non-UEFI installation is not supported on those >> > platforms. This is a

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 8:59 PM Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > On 4/5/22 19:38, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:08 PM Jared Dominguez wrote: > > > >> The security of UEFI systems is immeasurably better. Standardized firmware > >> updates, support for modern secure TPMs, OS protect

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 4/5/22 16:09, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:38 PM Adam Jackson wrote: >> >> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:15 PM Neal Gompa wrote: >> >>> We also lack solutions for dealing with the NVIDIA driver in >>> UEFI+Secure Boot case. Are you planning to actually *fix* that now? >>> Because we

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Chris Murphy
> On 4/5/22 19:38, Chris Murphy wrote: > > Apple and Microsoft signing NVIDIA's proprietary driver doesn't at all > > indicate Apple and Microsoft trust the driver itself. It is trusting > > the providence of the blob, in order to achieve an overall safer > > ecosystem for their users. s/providen

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 9:07 PM Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > On 4/5/22 16:09, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:38 PM Adam Jackson wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 3:15 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > >> > >>> We also lack solutions for dealing with the NVIDIA driver in > >>> UEFI+Sec

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20220405.n.2 changes

2022-04-05 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20220404.n.0 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20220405.n.2 = SUMMARY = Added images:1 Dropped images: 0 Added packages: 14 Dropped packages:1 Upgraded packages: 150 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 4.51 MiB Size of dropped packages

Move existing build into side tag?

2022-04-05 Thread Richard Shaw
Google has failed me, how do I go about moving an existing build into a side tag I just created? Thanks, RIchard ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Co

Re: Move existing build into side tag?

2022-04-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:01 PM Richard Shaw wrote: > > Google has failed me, how do I go about moving an existing build into a side > tag I just created? > koji tag-build -- 真実はいつも一つ!/ Always, there's only one truth! ___ devel mailing list -- de

Re: Move existing build into side tag?

2022-04-05 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:04 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 11:01 PM Richard Shaw wrote: > > > > Google has failed me, how do I go about moving an existing build into a > side tag I just created? > > > > koji tag-build > Thanks, there's so many options in koji I wasn't sure whi

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 12:59 AM Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > > On 4/5/22 19:38, Chris Murphy wrote: > > We either want users with NVIDIA hardware to be inside the Secure Boot > > fold or we don't. I want them in the fold *despite* the driver that > > needs signing is proprietary. That's a better us

Re: Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-04-05 Thread majid hussain
hi, could someone kindly tell me if my toshiba l750 machine has EFI support? i'm blind and efi/bios screens are in accessible. Majid > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2022 at 6:03 am > From: "Gary Buhrmaster" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Subject: Re: F37 Change: Deprecat

Fedora-Rawhide-20220405.n.2 compose check report

2022-04-05 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Minimal raw-xz armhfp Compose FAILS proposed Rawhide gating check! 1 of 43 required tests failed openQA tests matching unsatisfied gating requirements shown with **GATING** below Failed openQA tests: 12/231 (x86_64), 15/161 (aarch64) New failures (same test not failed

Re: Fedora Developer Portal update

2022-04-05 Thread Jarek Prokop
Forgot to reply to devel :) On 4/5/22 22:54, Jaroslav Prokop wrote: On 4/5/22 13:23, Ben Beasley wrote: Thanks for updating these pages. I noticed that the Flask and Django pages have language like: Fedora includes a |python3-flask| package that you can install and import. However, u

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