Re: Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: Limit Scriptlet Usage of core packages

2019-07-22 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 01:03:59PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 11:52 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 10:13:21AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 10:04 AM Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > > > > > > > Dne 10. 07. 19 v 9:1

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-22 Thread Leigh Griffin
On Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 22:38 Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 4:31 PM Jeremy Cline wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 08:33:02AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon < > pin...@pingoured.fr> wrote: > > > > > > > > Good Morning, > > > > >

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-22 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 16. 07. 19 20:18, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: Good Morning, We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to garner feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the Community on the approach that we in Community Platform Engineering (CPE) are taking. [1] https://comm

Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers (75 to be retired)

2019-07-22 Thread Miro Hrončok
The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life Note: If

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le 2019-07-22 10:22, Miro Hrončok a écrit : Personally, I wish we had spent less engineering time in infrastructure on Modularity and more on the contributor UX :( It’s not just Modularity. Modularity is just a symptom. There is something deeply broken in the Red Hat / Fedora interface. RHE

google-oauth-java-client / javapackages-tools (was: Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers (75 to be retired))

2019-07-22 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:47:10AM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: > See this report online at: > https://churchyard.fedorapeople.org/orphans-2019-07-22.txt Since the majority of new failures (394!) are caused by the orphaning of google-oauth-java-client, I looked at the full report and seems this is a

Packages with wrong Python unversioned commands

2019-07-22 Thread Miro Hrončok
Hello Bcc'ed maintainers. According to the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python_means_Python3 change, the unversioned Python commands shell be Python 3. The following packages have Python 3 marked commands (executables in /usr/bin/) but miss the not marked files. The format is: :

Re: google-oauth-java-client / javapackages-tools

2019-07-22 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 22. 07. 19 11:39, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:47:10AM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: See this report online at: https://churchyard.fedorapeople.org/orphans-2019-07-22.txt Since the majority of new failures (394!) are caused by the orphaning of google-oauth-java-client,

Orphaned python-rpyc, python-WSGIProxy2, python-http-parser, python-lockfile, python-plumbum, python-socketpool, python-webtest, python-flask-script

2019-07-22 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 19. 07. 19 10:52, Miro Hrončok wrote: Hello, I've just orphaned python-CacheControl and python-django-countries by the request of the previous maintainer. Orphaned: python-rpyc python-WSGIProxy2 python-http-parser python-lockfile python-plumbum python-socketpool python-webtest python-flask-

Re: Beginner SPECfile Guide

2019-07-22 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 19. 07. 19 v 11:53 Lukas Javorsky napsal(a): > Hello, I was wondering if there is some kind of video guide from some > conference or lecture about SPECfiles. I am a > beginner in SPECfiles and I've read a lot stuff about them, but it is too > much text. I would really appreciate some > video

Re: google-oauth-java-client / javapackages-tools (was: Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers (75 to be retired))

2019-07-22 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 12:33 PM Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:47:10AM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > See this report online at: > > https://churchyard.fedorapeople.org/orphans-2019-07-22.txt > > Since the majority of new failures (394!) are caused by the orphaning > of

Re: First experience with building a module: newbie queries

2019-07-22 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2019-07-20, Ankur Sinha wrote: > 1. Why did that create 4 module build jobs for each stream? > > (ins)[asinha@ankur-pc nest(2.18.0=3D)]$ fedpkg module-build > Submitting the module build... > The builds 5109, 5110, 5111 and 5112 were submitted to the MBS > Build URLs: > https://mbs.fedoraproje

Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers (75 to be retired)

2019-07-22 Thread Michael J Gruber
Note that javapackages-tools provides jpackage-utils, so apparantly some of these reports are wrong. But it might be a good idea to update the requires instead of considering this a virtual (feature) provide. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedora

Re: Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: Limit Scriptlet Usage of core packages

2019-07-22 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 4:00 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 01:03:59PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 11:52 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 10:13:21AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Mon, Ju

Re: Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: Limit Scriptlet Usage of core packages

2019-07-22 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 07:25:50AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 4:00 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 01:03:59PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 11:52 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On

Re: nettle: heads up soname bump

2019-07-22 Thread Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
On Tue, 2019-07-16 at 06:37 -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 5:34 AM Björn 'besser82' Esser > wrote: > > Am Dienstag, den 16.07.2019, 00:20 +0200 schrieb Kevin Kofler: > > > Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > gnutls now cannot be rebuilt: > > > > > > > > nothing provides libnett

Re: Orphaned python-rpyc, python-WSGIProxy2, python-http-parser, python-lockfile, python-plumbum, python-socketpool, python-webtest, python-flask-script

2019-07-22 Thread Greg Hellings
Can I adopt python-plumbum? On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 5:27 AM Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 19. 07. 19 10:52, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > Hello, I've just orphaned python-CacheControl and > python-django-countries by the > > request of the previous maintainer. > > Orphaned: > > python-rpyc > python-WSGIPro

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-22 Thread Jeremy Cline
On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 05:37:10PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 4:31 PM Jeremy Cline wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 08:33:02AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Good Morning, > > > > > > >

REMINDER: Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposals due Tuesday 23 July

2019-07-22 Thread Ben Cotton
Self-Contained Change proposals for Fedora 31 must be submitted (i.e. placed into the ChangeReadyForWrangler category) by the end of tomorrow (23 July). I was on PTO last week, so if you were anticipating action on a Change proposal and it hasn't happened yet, I'll work through that backlog today.

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On 7/22/19 1:22 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 16. 07. 19 20:18, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: >> Good Morning, >> >> We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to garner >> feedback, field questions and get some thoughts from the Community on >> the approach that we in Community Pla

Re: REMINDER: Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposals due Tuesday 23 July

2019-07-22 Thread jkonecny
Hi everyone, In what timezone is this deadline? :) Regards, Jirka On Mon, 2019-07-22 at 10:01 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > Self-Contained Change proposals for Fedora 31 must be submitted (i.e. > placed into the ChangeReadyForWrangler category) by the end of > tomorrow (23 July). > > I was on PTO

Re: Updating puppet in rawhide

2019-07-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On 7/19/19 7:30 AM, Alfredo Moralejo Alonso wrote: > Hi, > > I created https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1728768 to ask for > puppet update in rawhide some days ago but didn't get any feedback from > maintainers. > > > Also a PR was posted to > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/puppet/

Re: REMINDER: Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposals due Tuesday 23 July

2019-07-22 Thread Ben Cotton
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:29 AM wrote: > In what timezone is this deadline? :) > Deadlines are in UTC unless otherwise specified. -- Ben Cotton He / Him / His Fedora Program Manager Red Hat TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis ___ devel mailing list -- de

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-22 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 4:59 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On 7/22/19 1:22 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 16. 07. 19 20:18, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > >> Good Morning, > >> > >> We posted this [1] blog today and want to open a mailing thread to garner > >> feedback, field questions and get some thoug

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-22 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:19:17AM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: > Le 2019-07-22 10:22, Miro Hrončok a écrit : > > > Personally, I wish we had spent less engineering time in > > infrastructure on Modularity and more on the contributor UX :( > > It’s not just Modularity. Modularity is ju

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-22 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
On ma, 22 heinä 2019, Jeremy Cline wrote: On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 05:37:10PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 4:31 PM Jeremy Cline wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 08:33:02AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 6:46 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > > > > > > G

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2019-07-22 at 07:23 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > if the Wiki > > explodes and nobody will ever fix it, > > The wiki is fully supported, at least as long as QA uses it for their > TCMS. :) ...and that's likely to remain the case until someone manages to find or write a better one :/ --

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-22 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le 2019-07-22 17:29, Pierre-Yves Chibon a écrit : On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:19:17AM +0200, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: Le 2019-07-22 10:22, Miro Hrončok a écrit : > Personally, I wish we had spent less engineering time in > infrastructure on Modularity and more on the contributor UX :( I

Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2019-07-22)>

2019-07-22 Thread Igor Gnatenko
= #fedora-meeting-1: FESCO (2019-07-22) = Meeting started by ignatenkobrain at 15:00:27 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-07-22/fesco.2019-07-22-15.00.log.html . Me

Tips to add optional arguments on dnf using plugin

2019-07-22 Thread Fellipe Henrique
Hello, First of all, thanks for accept me on these mail list.. my first mail it's about a issue I facing here on my job... I need to add some optional arguments on dnf, not a command, just a "global" args.. eg: $ dnf repolist --my_arg=abcd How can I do these? Can I use plugin with these approa

Re: Fedora-Rawhide-20190720.n.1 compose check report

2019-07-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2019-07-21 at 03:41 +, Fedora compose checker wrote: > No missing expected images. > > Compose FAILS proposed Rawhide gating check! > 24 of 47 required tests failed, 19 results missing > openQA tests matching unsatisfied gating requirements shown with **GATING** > below > Unsatisfied

Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: Variable Noto Fonts

2019-07-22 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/VariableNotoFonts == Summary == This Change aims to change the priority in Google Noto to make Variable Fonts higher than non-Variable Fonts. == Owner == * Name: [[User:Tagoh| Akira TAGOH]] * Email: ta...@redhat.com == Detailed Description == The font selec

Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: GHC 8.6 and Stackage LTS 13

2019-07-22 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GHC_8.6 == Summary == Update Haskell packages from GHC 8.4 to 8.6 and from Stackage LTS 12 to 13 package versions. == Owner == * Name: [[User:Petersen|Jens Petersen]] * Email: * Name: [[Haskell_SIG|Haskell SIG]] * Email: == Detailed Description == The Has

Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: Erlang 22

2019-07-22 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Erlang_22 == Summary == Update Erlang/OTP to version 22. == Owner == * Name: [[User:Peter|Peter Lemenkov]], [[SIGs/Erlang|Fedora Erlang SIG]], [[User:bowlofeggs|Randy Barlow]], [[User:jcline|Jeremy Cline]] * Email: lemen...@gmail.com, erl...@lists.fedoraproj

Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/x86-64_micro-architecture_update == Summary == Fedora currently uses the original K8 micro-architecture (without 3DNow! and other AMD-specific parts) as the baseline for its x86_64 architecture. This baseline dates back to 2003 and has not been updated since

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-22 Thread Jeremy Cline
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 06:59:04PM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > On ma, 22 heinä 2019, Jeremy Cline wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 05:37:10PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > Keycloak is not generally Fedora contributor friendly. Aside from it > > > being written in Java (which is problematic

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Tom Hughes
On 22/07/2019 19:51, Ben Cotton wrote: After preliminary discussions with CPU vendors, we propose AVX2 as the new baseline. AVX2 support was introduced into CPUs from 2013 to 2015. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions#CPUs_with_AVX2 CPUs with AVX2]. Going all the way

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "BC" == Ben Cotton writes: BC> * Other developers: Other developers may have to adjust test suites BC> which expect exact floating point results, and correct linking with BC> libatomic. They will also have to upgrade their x86-64 BC> machines to something that can execute AVX2 instructions.

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "JLT" == Jason L Tibbitts writes: JLT> And, let's see, I'd have to toss out five desktops (which isn't too JLT> bad, I guess) I was wrong. It would be 36 desktops. Being charitable requires me to assume this was proposed without adequate consideration of just how much hardware is involve

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Leigh Scott
> == Upgrade/compatibility impact == > Fedora installations on systems with CPUs which are not able to > execute AVX2 instructions will not be able to upgrade. > Time for me to switch to LinuxMint as I'm not going to be forced into hardware updates I can't afford. __

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Tom Hughes
On 22/07/2019 20:20, Tom Hughes wrote: My firewall is brand new, built a few months ago to replace a 32 bit machine because Fedora was deprecating that! Yet it is a low end Celeron CPU and has no AVX2 support. The final one is a VM from a cloud provider and even updating to their latest hardwar

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Solomon Peachy
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 02:51:27PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > After preliminary discussions with CPU vendors, we propose AVX2 as the > new baseline. AVX2 support was introduced into CPUs from 2013 to > 2015. See > [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions#CPUs_with_AVX2 > CPUs wit

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread David Airlie
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 5:46 AM Solomon Peachy wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 02:51:27PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > After preliminary discussions with CPU vendors, we propose AVX2 as the > > new baseline. AVX2 support was introduced into CPUs from 2013 to > > 2015. See > > [https://en.wiki

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Ben Cotton
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:45 PM Solomon Peachy wrote: > > But since anectdote != data, are there any sort of deployment numbers > out there that show how many Fedora deployments are on AVX[2]-capable > hardware? > There are no stats available that could be considered defensible. At best, we could

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Monday, 22 July 2019 at 20:51, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/x86-64_micro-architecture_update [...] > == Upgrade/compatibility impact == > Fedora installations on systems with CPUs which are not able to > execute AVX2 instructions will not be able to upgrade. And th

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/x86-64_micro-architecture_update > > == Summary == > Fedora currently uses the original K8 micro-architecture (without > 3DNow! and other AMD-specific parts) as the baseline for its > x86_64 architecture.

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread David Airlie
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 5:58 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:45 PM Solomon Peachy wrote: > > > > But since anectdote != data, are there any sort of deployment numbers > > out there that show how many Fedora deployments are on AVX[2]-capable > > hardware? > > > There are no stat

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Ron Olson
My entire involvement around Fedora is based on the fact that I was able to use machines that had been thrown away because they were deemed ‘too old’. I have several servers and multiple laptops that run Fedora perfectly and none of them would meet this requirement, effectively ending any chanc

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Andre Robatino
> Fedora will use current CPUs more efficiently, increasing performance > and reducing power consumption. I hope the energy usage involved in having to buy new hardware (including manufacturing and shipping) is taken into account. This proposed change is incompatible with all 3 of my 64-bit mach

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread David Airlie
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 6:03 AM Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/x86-64_micro-architecture_update > > > > == Summary == > > Fedora currently uses the original K8 micro-architecture (without > > 3DNow! and other

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Josh Boyer [22/07/2019 15:56] : > > Would it be possible to include some basic instructions or a script > for people to run on their systems to see if they are AVX2 compliant? > That would help them assess the impact. you can find your cpu model by running the command: $ grep 'model name' /proc

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Tom Hughes
On 22/07/2019 20:42, Tom Hughes wrote: On 22/07/2019 20:20, Tom Hughes wrote: I will need to check but I suspect there will be a fair few production systems at work that are missing support as well. Out of 31 machines running F29 or F30 at work there are only 9 with AVX2 support and only 18 w

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 2:52 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/x86-64_micro-architecture_update > > == Summary == > Fedora currently uses the original K8 micro-architecture (without > 3DNow! and other AMD-specific parts) as the baseline for its > x86_64 architecture.

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Felix Kaechele via devel
On 2019-07-22 2:51 p.m., Ben Cotton wrote: After preliminary discussions with CPU vendors, we propose AVX2 as the new baseline. AVX2 support was introduced into CPUs from 2013 to 2015. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions#CPUs_with_AVX2 CPUs with AVX2]. Here's a JSON

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Felix Schwarz
Am 22.07.19 um 21:52 schrieb David Airlie: >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 02:51:27PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: >>> After preliminary discussions with CPU vendors, we propose AVX2 as the >>> new baseline. AVX2 support was introduced into CPUs from 2013 to >>> 2015. See >>> [https://en.wikipedia.org/wi

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/x86-64_micro-architecture_update > > > == Upgrade/compatibility impact == > Fedora installations on systems with CPUs which are not able to > execute AVX2 instructions will not be able to upgrade. > I ha

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Solomon Peachy
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 03:05:15PM -0500, Ron Olson wrote: > Perhaps as a compromise there could be a ‘regular’ 64-bit and a > 64-bit-optimized-for-machines-made-after-2013 version? It's not as simple as a "CPU newer than date X" cutoff -- Intel limits AVX support to their Xeon and Core brands on

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Solomon Peachy
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 04:11:32PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > With my FESCo hat on, I can't support this action as currently stated. > I think I'd be more inclined to consider it if the Change was proposed > as a new architecture bring-up. Effectively, this would be a whole new > architectur

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Solomon Peachy
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 03:54:41PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > There are no stats available that could be considered defensible. At > best, we could come up with some estimates based on the stats from > other sources that we might assume have a similar profile as Fedora. > I'm not sure if that data

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 4:43 PM David Airlie wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 6:03 AM Josh Boyer wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:27 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/x86-64_micro-architecture_update > > > > > > == Summary == > > > Fedora currently

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2019-07-22 at 14:51 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > After preliminary discussions with CPU vendors, we propose AVX2 as the > new baseline. AVX2 support was introduced into CPUs from 2013 to > 2015. See > [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions#CPUs_with_AVX2 > CPUs with AVX2

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 4:47 PM Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 2:52 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/x86-64_micro-architecture_update > > > > == Summary == > > Fedora currently uses the original K8 micro-architecture (without > > 3DNow! and

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Ron Olson
Right, I was making a ha-ha-only-serious thought that perhaps there could be a spin that is specifically highly optimized for latest-n-greatest architectures, and if packagers want to maintain two different versions of x64, that’d be their choice, otherwise fallback to the ‘regular’ one. It cer

Disabling Fedora 28 chroots in Copr

2019-07-22 Thread Jakub Kadlcik
Hello, we have just disabled Fedora 28 chroots in Copr. According to the Fedora wiki [1], Fedora 28 reached the end of its life on 2019-05-28 and therefore we are disabling it in Copr. That effectively means that from this moment, it is no longer possible to submit builds for the following chroo

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ben Cotton wrote: > Fedora currently uses the original K8 micro-architecture (without > 3DNow! and other AMD-specific parts) as the baseline for its > x86_64 architecture. This baseline dates back to 2003 > and has not been updated since. As a result, performance of Fedora is > not as good as it

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2019-07-23 at 06:01 +1000, David Airlie wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 5:58 AM Ben Cotton wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:45 PM Solomon Peachy wrote: > > > But since anectdote != data, are there any sort of deployment numbers > > > out there that show how many Fedora deployments ar

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Jerry James
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 2:35 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > Anyone who wants to build a library with AVX can already do so even > if the library doesn't support runtime detection. You just build > twice, once with and once without and put the AVX-enabled version > in %{_libdir}/haswell

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Joseph D. Wagner
On 2019-07-22 13:12, Felix Kaechele via devel wrote: On 2019-07-22 2:51 p.m., Ben Cotton wrote: After preliminary discussions with CPU vendors, we propose AVX2 as the new baseline. AVX2 support was introduced into CPUs from 2013 to 2015. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Ext

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-22 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jeremy Cline wrote: > In my opinion Fedora is spinning its wheels here, and the vehicle isn't > even pointed in the right direction. Gnome is on GitLab. Debian and the > graphics stack is moving to GitLab AFAIK. KDE is also moving from Phabricator to GitLab. Kevin Kofler

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
> On Jul 22, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Solomon Peachy wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 04:11:32PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> With my FESCo hat on, I can't support this action as currently stated. >> I think I'd be more inclined to consider it if the Change was proposed >> as a new architecture

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Robert-André Mauchin
On Monday, 22 July 2019 20:51:27 CEST Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/x86-64_micro-architecture_update > > == Summary == > Fedora currently uses the original K8 micro-architecture (without > 3DNow! and other AMD-specific parts) as the baseline for its > x86_64 architectu

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Björn Persson
> Fedora installations on systems with CPUs which are not able to > execute AVX2 instructions will not be able to upgrade. So it looks like Fedora would no longer work on my laptop from 2013. I could probably switch the laptop over to CentOS, but that would restrict my ability to work on Fedora st

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Solomon Peachy
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 02:40:29PM -0700, Joseph D. Wagner wrote: > I may have to turn in my nerd card for not being able to pull this myself, > but what would this list look like if the baseline was SSSE3? Just curious. Steam claims 97.8% of their userbase has a processor supporting SSSE3 (vs 8

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Kevin Kofler
Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > And that's a lot of hardware. Half of my machines don't support AVX2. > If you dropped back to SSSE3 then I wouldn't complain as that would > just scrap my 32-bit only machines, but requiring AVX2 is definitely > going too far. Requiring SSSE3 would also wor

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Björn Persson
Solomon Peachy wrote: > One sorce of data is Steam's hardware survey. Unfortunately they don't > include AVX2, but their most recent stats show that 88.6% of their > overall userbase has a CPU supporting AVX1. Limiting that to Linux > users the number drops to 87.2%. A survey among Steam's cu

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Ben Cotton said: > After preliminary discussions with CPU vendors, we propose AVX2 as the > new baseline. AVX2 support was introduced into CPUs from 2013 to > 2015. See > [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions#CPUs_with_AVX2 > CPUs with AVX2]. There are stil

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Patrick Monnerat
> After preliminary discussions with CPU vendors... CPU vendors want to sell CPUs, while there are still plenty of running Sandy/Ivy bridge expensive high-end machines running that would not be upgradable. Not supporting machines that are 16 years old is ok, but restricting to < 6 years (7 year

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Frank R Dana Jr.
Plenty has already been said here about why we should not do this (and OMFG we should NOT do this), and I am in complete agreement. (I have 0 machines, of 3 in my personal network, with AVX2 support. My current desktop I only bought a year and a half ago, and it's not AVX2 capable! My laptop a

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Sam Varshavchik
A brief survey of my hardware and less than half of it supports avx2. I can't find a single enthusiastic endorsement for this proposal in this thread, so far; but if this proposal ends up being adopted, I hope that this gets announced well in advance, including a big fat banner on https://w

[Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Rawhide 20190722.n.1 nightly compose nominated for testing

2019-07-22 Thread rawhide
Announcing the creation of a new nightly release validation test event for Fedora 31 Rawhide 20190722.n.1. Please help run some tests for this nightly compose if you have time. For more information on nightly release validation testing, see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Igor Gnatenko
Hi Florian, On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:28 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/x86-64_micro-architecture_update > > == Summary == > Fedora currently uses the original K8 micro-architecture (without > 3DNow! and other AMD-specific parts) as the baseline for its > x86_64 a

[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Modularity Team (weekly)

2019-07-22 Thread nils
Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Modularity Team (weekly) on 2019-07-23 from 15:00:00 to 16:00:00 UTC At fedora-meetin...@irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Meeting of the Modularity Team. More information available at: [Modularity Team Docs](https://docs.pagure.o

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20190722.n.1 changes

2019-07-22 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20190721.n.0 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20190722.n.1 = SUMMARY = Added images:1 Dropped images: 1 Added packages: 9 Dropped packages:2 Upgraded packages: 119 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 360.84 MiB Size of dropped packages

Fedora-Rawhide-20190722.n.1 compose check report

2019-07-22 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Compose FAILS proposed Rawhide gating check! 24 of 47 required tests failed, 19 results missing openQA tests matching unsatisfied gating requirements shown with **GATING** below Unsatisfied gating requirements that could not be mapped to openQA tests: FAILED: compose.c

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread drago01
On Monday, July 22, 2019, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/x86-64_micro-architecture_update > > == Summary == > Fedora currently uses the original K8 micro-architecture (without > 3DNow! and other AMD-specific parts) as the baseline for its > x86_64 architecture. This b

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Zamir Sun
This sounds like 'You should stop using and contributing to Fedora for x86_64' to me. Technically, I don't have any concern. Practically, as a user, I only have one machine that supports AVX2 which is my laptop. As a packager, the main machines that I use for building and testing my packages loca

Re: Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: x86-64 micro-architecture update

2019-07-22 Thread Igor Gnatenko
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 4:31 AM Igor Gnatenko wrote: > > Hi Florian, > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:28 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/x86-64_micro-architecture_update > > > > == Summary == > > Fedora currently uses the original K8 micro-architecture (without >

Re: Tips to add optional arguments on dnf using plugin

2019-07-22 Thread Marek Blaha
Each DNF command could have static method set_argparser (here is the example from reposync plugin: https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf-plugins-core/blob/master/plugins/reposync.py#L60) which can be used for adding command specific arguments. However there is no such method for adding glo

Re: Discussion around app retirements and categorizations by the CPE team

2019-07-22 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
On ma, 22 heinä 2019, Jeremy Cline wrote: On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 06:59:04PM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: On ma, 22 heinä 2019, Jeremy Cline wrote: > On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 05:37:10PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > Keycloak is not generally Fedora contributor friendly. Aside from it > > being