On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 08:30:59AM +0200, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> Dne 17.4.2018 v 07:46 Petr Pisar napsal(a):
> > Maybe nobody knows how to determine a system is live.
>
> +1
Actually we do. If systemd is running and dnf is installing packages
into the same root from which it is running, it's a l
On Tue, 2018-04-17 at 05:46 +, Petr Pisar wrote:
> On 2018-04-17, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > I'm a bit surprised that there's no reply to this fairly explosive
> > idea. Maybe Nikos' text is too long, so let me summarize:
> >
> > tl;dr: the proposal is to start services immediatel
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 09:23:24AM +0200, Jakub Jelen wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-04-17 at 05:46 +, Petr Pisar wrote:
> > On 2018-04-17, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > > I'm a bit surprised that there's no reply to this fairly explosive
> > > idea. Maybe Nikos' text is too long, so let me su
No missing expected images.
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On Di, 17.04.18 05:41, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm a bit surprised that there's no reply to this fairly explosive
> idea. Maybe Nikos' text is too long, so let me summarize:
>
> tl;dr: the proposal is to start services immediately during
> installatio
On 2018-04-17, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 08:30:59AM +0200, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
>> Dne 17.4.2018 v 07:46 Petr Pisar napsal(a):
>> > Maybe nobody knows how to determine a system is live.
>>
>> +1
>
> Actually we do. If systemd is running
You mean systemctl can
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 09:44:45AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Di, 17.04.18 05:41, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm a bit surprised that there's no reply to this fairly explosive
> > idea. Maybe Nikos' text is too long, so let me summarize
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:52 AM, Petr Pisar wrote:
> You mean systemctl can talk to a systemd via
> /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket. Ok.
IIRC, systemctl detects that it is running in chrooted environment
(i.e. system isn't "live") by looking at inode number of /. If the
number that systemctl se
Hello everyone.
SuperLU update to 5.2.1 release is expected within next days (7 at
least) on rawhide; dependent packages shouldn't have problems when
rebuilt against SuperLU-5.2.1.
Please, test your own software before and point out potential issue.
Rebuilds tested on Copr:
http://copr-fe.cloud.
Hi folks,
upstream authors has released new version of OpenIPMI (2.0.25) with incomplete
Python3 support.
I have decided to finish their work and replace python2-openipmi package by
python3-openipmi package.
python2-openipmi will be marked as obsolete.
This change will be applied in Fedora Rawh
Dne 17.4.2018 v 09:23 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek napsal(a):
> Actually we do. If systemd is running and dnf is installing packages
> into the same root from which it is running, it's a live system.
Hmm, this will work for Mock. Thou I am not sure about others environments.
Miroslav
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On 04/15/2018 11:18 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 02:58:56PM +0200, Jan Kurik wrote:
This is a late proposal for F28 release, mostly to spread awareness of the
availability of java-openjdk 10 in Fedora. It is not closely tied to the
F28 release however it would b
On 04/17/2018 05:38 PM, Jiri Vanek wrote:
On 04/15/2018 11:18 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
Note - page was updated for what you asked.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/java-openjdk-10
Dont hesitate toask for more :)
TY!
J.
On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 02:58:56PM +0200, Jan Kuri
On 04/17/2018 12:41 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
tl;dr: the proposal is to start services immediately during
installation (in %post), iff they are enabled in presets and the
system is live (not a chroot or such).
This would mean that e.g. after 'dnf install gpm' gpm would be running
wh
On Tue, 17 Apr 2018, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > That said, maybe Fedora's service preset files these days are
> > carefully enough written and already formalize such deliberation?
>
> Pfff. Yes they are. See
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:DefaultServices.
Is packager ins
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 07:36:34AM +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
>
> I filed a bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1564699
> but the maintainer refused to even comment on the merits and closed
> it without any reasonable explanation. I find his response not
> excellent.
OLD: Fedora-28-20180416.n.0
NEW: Fedora-28-20180417.n.0
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On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 05:06:20PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> That's a vital dependency for GNOME - gnome-settings-daemon, gnome-
> session, mutter, nautilus, control-center etc. all depend on it.
[...]
> So thanks to good old:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1427365
> we get ima
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:00:55AM -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote:
> On 04/17/2018 12:41 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> >tl;dr: the proposal is to start services immediately during
> >installation (in %post), iff they are enabled in presets and the
> >system is live (not a chroot or such).
> >
So is someone else is going to do the checking if the reverse dependencies
work with the new version or do I have to do that?
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On 04/16/2018 10:41 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm a bit surprised that there's no reply to this fairly explosive
> idea. Maybe Nikos' text is too long, so let me summarize:
Well, I marked it to reply to, but just hadn't gotten to it yet. ;)
Not everyone can immediately
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 12:41:15PM -0400, R P Herrold wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2018, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>
> > > That said, maybe Fedora's service preset files these days are
> > > carefully enough written and already formalize such deliberation?
> >
> > Pfff. Yes they are. See
> >
On 04/17/2018 12:05 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
b) services that have assumed our current behavior and are not useful,
or are even insecure when started by default.
I would assume that services that require configuration before being
useful would not be enabled by default.
On Tue, 17 Apr 2018, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 12:41:15PM -0400, R P Herrold wrote:
> To make this work, we could either require that maintainers of A add
> Requires(post): B, or delay the starting of services until the end
> of the transaction, using a transfi
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 08:58:06PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
> Am 17.04.2018 um 20:53 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek:
> > On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:00:55AM -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote:
> >> On 04/17/2018 12:41 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> >>> tl;dr: the proposal is to start s
On Tue, 17 Apr 2018, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> I would assume that services that require configuration
> before being useful would not be enabled by default.
I thing this is a mistaken assumption, and that we are moving
into matters of sysadmin taste
The SSHD is enabled by default, and likely to re
On Tue, 17 Apr 2018, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> Services which are subject the guidelines allow to be
> enabled by default should be such that starting them briefly
> should not cause any permanent effects.
'should not' is not true to fact in the real world
I mentioned we inject a S
On Tue, 17 Apr 2018, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> Services which are subject the guidelines allow to be enabled by
> default should be such that starting them briefly should not cause
> any permanent effects.
Some 'real world' data, from a unit that was deployed this
morning at
2018-04
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 04:01:04PM -0400, R P Herrold wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2018, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 12:41:15PM -0400, R P Herrold wrote:
>
> > To make this work, we could either require that maintainers of A add
> > Requires(post): B, or delay the
On Tue, 17 Apr 2018, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > i could puke everytime something is pulled as dependency and started
> > without any use
>
> Can you give an example of such services?
The first is a list of 'sbin' processes running from that
machine being probed
The second are those
On Tue, 17 Apr 2018, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> The use case is that for simple packages, it's simpler for the user
> if the service is available immediately. My initial example with gpm
> is actually good here: do "sudo dnf install -y gpm", move mouse, voilà.
> Also the case from https
On Tue, 2018-04-17 at 14:18 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 05:06:20PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > That's a vital dependency for GNOME - gnome-settings-daemon, gnome-
> > session, mutter, nautilus, control-center etc. all depend on it.
>
> [...]
> > So thanks to good o
I filled a bug report and then a pull request
I have been waiting for 2 months,
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-flask-login/pull-requests
I am sending this mail and then filling a non-responsive ticket against the
package owner.
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Is there some reason that you couldn't mention who the package
maintainer is?
Both Richard Marko (rmarko) and Jan Kaluža (jkaluza) are listed as
maintainers that package.
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On Tue, 2018-04-17 at 16:16 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
> Is there some reason that you couldn't mention who the package
> maintainer is?
>
> Both Richard Marko (rmarko) and Jan Kaluža (jkaluza) are listed as
> maintainers that package.
Also, I don't think you (Itamar) have fully followed
On 04/17/2018 07:00 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2018-04-17 at 16:16 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
Is there some reason that you couldn't mention who the package
maintainer is?
Both Richard Marko (rmarko) and Jan Kaluža (jkaluza) are listed as
maintainers that package.
Also, I don
On 04/17/2018 01:12 PM, R P Herrold wrote:
On Tue, 17 Apr 2018, Samuel Sieb wrote:
I would assume that services that require configuration
before being useful would not be enabled by default.
I thing this is a mistaken assumption, and that we are moving
into matters of sysadmin taste
The SSHD
No missing expected images.
Failed openQA tests: 7/137 (x86_64), 3/24 (i386), 1/2 (arm)
New failures (same test did not fail in 28-20180416.n.0):
ID: 224802 Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso install_default@uefi
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/224802
ID: 224844 Test: i386 Worksta
Hi folks! As we're now frozen for Final, here's an update on blocker
bug status.
tl;dr action summary
Accepted blockers
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1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1566621
ACTION: anaconda team to submit build/update with fix, QA to test
2. https://bugz
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:00:55AM -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote:
>> On 04/17/2018 12:41 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>> >tl;dr: the proposal is to start services immediately during
>> >installation (in %post), iff they are
No missing expected images.
Failed openQA tests: 38/137 (x86_64), 3/24 (i386), 1/2 (arm)
New failures (same test did not fail in Rawhide-20180416.n.0):
ID: 224543 Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso server_cockpit_basic
URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/224543
ID: 224665 Test: x86_64
On 17 April 2018 at 19:42, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:00:55AM -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote:
>>> On 04/17/2018 12:41 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>>> >tl;dr: the proposal is to start services
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 02:00:42PM -0500, po...@pouar.net wrote:
> So is someone else is going to do the checking if the reverse dependencies
> work with the new version or do I have to do that?
*Somebody* has to do it. If *you* can at least start doing that, that
would be great and will probably
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 04:47:14PM -0400, R P Herrold wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2018, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>
> > The use case is that for simple packages, it's simpler for the user
> > if the service is available immediately. My initial example with gpm
> > is actually good here: do "s
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