Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On 12/05/2017 08:38 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Will this work for people who don't use GNOME? This change only affects Fedora Workstation, and only live installs of Workstation, so all affected users will be using GNOME. ___ devel mailing list

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On 12/05/2017 08:42 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: Agreed, we also need to ensure the server use case doesn't regress, including the text/console variant. This change should only affect live installs of Workstation. Fedora Server should not be affected in any way. I think the change page is alr

Re: Django 2.0 released, and what it means to you

2017-12-05 Thread Miro Hrončok
Django 2.0 was released quite recently. While it is mostly compatible with earlier versions, the SIGNIFICANT change is, to drop support for Python 2. Maybe a Fedora Change coordinating this would be nice? Hi, Another option is to create a new "python2-django" package containing the latest Dj

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Package naming question

2017-12-05 Thread Björn Persson
"Tomasz Torcz" wrote: > December 4, 2017 11:21 PM, "Björn Persson" wrote: > > Is your package meant to be parallel-installable with the parallel > > package? If so, what is the program called, since /usr/bin/parallel is > > taken? Or is it meant to conflict with GNU Parallel? > > We have solve

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On 12/05/2017 01:18 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: Does it mean that just visiting a spoke will cause it to be written to /etc/sysconfig/anaconda to suppress it in g-i-s? Or does the user actually have to configure something there? Just visiting a spoke (already) causes that to be writt

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 09:18:30AM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > I think the change page is already clear that only Workstation > should be affected, but it is unclear about how netinstall should be > handled. Since we only have one netinstall installer and I believe > it uses Server branding,

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 09:18:30AM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: >> I think the change page is already clear that only Workstation >> should be affected, but it is unclear about how netinstall should be >> handled. Since we only have one n

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On 12/05/2017 10:42 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: I think the Workstation netinstall image should be consistent with the Live Workstation install. Oh wow. I did not know about this. I thought we had decided to produce only a single netinstall image for Fedora. OK, the impact on the Workstation

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Michael Catanzaro
Reindl, I'm fairly confident that the Workstation WG decided to share the netinstall image with Fedora Server, and not have a separate netinstall for Workstation. I'm not inclined to do enough archaeology on our old meeting minutes to prove this. Perhaps I am simply misremembering. Or, perhap

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 11:06:06AM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > OK, the impact on the Workstation netinstall will have to be > considered. Changing the netinstall would make this harder, as it > means we can't use the Workstation kickstart. It's preferable to do things in the productimg overr

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:09 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 11:06:06AM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > OK, the impact on the Workstation netinstall will have to be > > considered. Changing the netinstall would make this harder, as it > > means we can't use the Workstation k

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 06:36:56PM +, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > OK, the impact on the Workstation netinstall will have to be > > > considered. Changing the netinstall would make this harder, as it > > > means we can't use the Workstation kickstart. > > It's preferable to do things in the p

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:42 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 06:36:56PM +, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > > OK, the impact on the Workstation netinstall will have to be > > > > considered. Changing the netinstall would make this harder, as it > > > > means we can't use the W

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Tomasz Torcz 👁️
On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 09:12:41AM -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > On 12/05/2017 07:30 AM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > Then why disable root at all? What if there are no local user accounts, > > only via a directory service and network is down? This change is clearly > > not well th

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On 12/05/2017 12:58 PM, Tomasz Torcz 👁️ wrote: This is not really true. First boot certainly allowed to configure (in GUI) access to directory services. It was hidden in a bit misleading “Enterprise login” button, see for example this screenshot: https://www.linuxtechi.com/wp-content/uploa

Help Testing FreeOTP + Jelling

2017-12-05 Thread Nathaniel McCallum
Hello Fedoraland! I recently blogged about an effort to improve multi-factor authentication with OTPs by sending the OTP code from your phone to your computer directly using Bluetooth. The full story can be read here: http://npmccallum.gitlab.io/post/sending-freeotp-codes-over-bluetooth/ However

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread William Moreno
> > >> Since the first account will always be an administrator, you can log in > to that account and use sudo -i to get a root prompt (after first boot). > > A walk around can be to set the root password to match the first user of the system? This way su -c command and sudo command will work with t

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 07:28:54AM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > We currently only allow root to log in emergency or rescue mode, > following what sysvinit systems did traditionally. We simply call > sulogin, and that's the only thing it allows. I'd like to see this > changed to allow

Re: excess automated emails from Fedora

2017-12-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On 12/05/2017 01:56 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > When somebody writes a comment in Bugzilla, I am receiving an email from > Bugzilla and another email from FMN: two emails for each comment. I > haven't seen this type of behavior in any other project. This is a bit of an oddity as we don't contro

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Chris Murphy
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > On 12/05/2017 07:30 AM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: >> >> Then why disable root at all? What if there are no local user accounts, >> only via a directory service and network is down? This change is clearly >> not well thought

Re: excess automated emails from Fedora

2017-12-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Sorry to reply to myself here, but I meant to reply to this part and forgot: On 12/05/2017 02:53 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On 12/05/2017 01:56 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > >> My observation is that the people who "like" email are simply not aware >> of the other options. There is a perception that

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 12/04/2017 03:51 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: This can be a problem if the graphical interface doesn't work on the first boot for some reason. The user is now left with no way to login to fix things. Since the first account will always be

Django 2.0 released, and what it means to you

2017-12-05 Thread Matthias Runge
Hello, tl;dr if you're not maintaining/using a Django related package, you can safely skip this message. Django 2.0 was released quite recently. While it is mostly compatible with earlier versions, the SIGNIFICANT change is, to drop support for Python 2. I'm intending to update Django in Rawhid

Re: Django 2.0 released, and what it means to you

2017-12-05 Thread Petr Viktorin
On 12/05/2017 09:19 AM, Matthias Runge wrote: Hello, tl;dr if you're not maintaining/using a Django related package, you can safely skip this message. Django 2.0 was released quite recently. While it is mostly compatible with earlier versions, the SIGNIFICANT change is, to drop support for Pyt

Re: excess automated emails from Fedora

2017-12-05 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 05/12/17 01:48, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On 12/04/2017 01:07 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I've opened a bug report[1] about automatically generated emails from >> Fedora Fedmsg and other parts of Fedora infrastructure. >> >> Maybe there are other components of Fedora where bug reports

Re: Proven packagers - stop messing with other people packages!!

2017-12-05 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 04:22:00PM +0100, David Kaspar [Dee'Kej] wrote: >On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Richard Hughes >wrote: > > On 4 December 2017 at 14:17, David Kaspar [Dee'Kej] > wrote: > > 4) He found a fix for it, created a new patch and added it into the > p

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Package naming question

2017-12-05 Thread Tomasz Torcz
December 4, 2017 11:21 PM, "Björn Persson" wrote: > Is your package meant to be parallel-installable with the parallel > package? If so, what is the program called, since /usr/bin/parallel is > taken? Or is it meant to conflict with GNU Parallel? We have solved this years ago. man alternatives _

Re: Proven packagers - stop messing with other people packages!!

2017-12-05 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Mon, 2017-12-04 at 14:54 +, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 4 December 2017 at 14:17, David Kaspar [Dee'Kej] om> wrote: > > 4) He found a fix for it, created a new patch and added it into the > > package > > I maintain/own. > > Did you say thanks? To any proven packagers out there, feel free to

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Martin Kolman
On Tue, 2017-12-05 at 07:18 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 04:09:25PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote: > > = System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ReduceInitialSetupRedundancy > > > > Change owner(s): > > * Mich

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Re: Package naming question

2017-12-05 Thread Jun Aruga
Jason, > If you discount the guidelines for multiple parallel-installable > versions of the same package, we don't really have an established naming > convention for alternate versions of a "thing". Thanks for mentioning it and the detailed explanation. I did misunderstand it. I understand what y

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 01:35:03PM +0100, Martin Kolman wrote: > On Tue, 2017-12-05 at 07:18 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 04:09:25PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote: > > > = System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy = > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ch

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Tuesday, 05 December 2017 at 08:28, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: [...] > This has been under discussion for a while [at least 1,2,3]. > We currently only allow root to log in emergency or rescue mode, > following what sysvinit systems did traditionally. We simply call > sulogin, and that's

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Re: Package naming question

2017-12-05 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Monday, 04 December 2017 at 23:10, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: [...] > About all we can say with certainty is that this package can't install > /usr/bin/parallel. Actually, it could if the packager coordinated with GNU parallel package maintainer to use alternatives. This new package is suppose

Re: Django 2.0 released, and what it means to you

2017-12-05 Thread Matthias Runge
On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 10:45:54AM +0100, Petr Viktorin wrote: > > Django 2.0 was released quite recently. While it is mostly compatible with > > earlier versions, the SIGNIFICANT change is, to drop support for Python 2. > > > > I'm intending to update Django in Rawhide to 2.0 in 2 weeks. If you'r

Fedora Modular 27 compose report: 20171204.n.1 changes

2017-12-05 Thread Fedora Branched Report
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Re: F28 System Wide Change: Switch libcurl to use libssh instead of libssh2

2017-12-05 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
Tangentially related to this, we're trying to change qemu to use libssh instead of libssh2. Upstream reviewers welcome! https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2017-11/msg02843.html Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 04:09:25PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote: > = System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ReduceInitialSetupRedundancy > > Change owner(s): > * Michael Catanzaro > > Currently there is a high level of redundancy between the Anac

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 04:09:25PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote: >> = System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy = >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ReduceInitialSetupRedundancy >> >> Change owner(s): >> * Michael Catanzaro >>

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On 12/05/2017 02:03 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 12/04/2017 03:51 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: This can be a problem if the graphical interface doesn't work on the first boot for some reason. The user is now left with no way to login to fix th

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Reduce Initial Setup Redundancy

2017-12-05 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On 12/05/2017 07:30 AM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: Then why disable root at all? What if there are no local user accounts, only via a directory service and network is down? This change is clearly not well thought-out. If anything, the redundancy should be reduced on the GNOME side,