Re: heads up: poppler soname bump

2017-08-05 Thread Mamoru TASAKA
Adam Williamson wrote on 08/05/2017 05:00 AM: On Wed, 2017-08-02 at 13:19 +0200, David Tardon wrote: Hi, I will build a new release of poppler this week, which includes soname bump. I will take care of rebuilding the affected packages: boomaga calligra cups-filters evas-generic-loaders gambas3

Re: Builds stuck in f27-pending

2017-08-05 Thread Björn 'besser82' Esser
Am 04.08.2017 um 11:47 schrieb Peter Robinson: On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Björn 'besser82' Esser wrote: Hello folks! I did some builds on Rawhide / fc27 yesterday and they are still stuck in f27-pending. Is the signing queue blocked again? There's probably a backlog due to mass rebuild

Re: F27 and the short schedule [was Re: Fedora 27 Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable)]

2017-08-05 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jan Kurik wrote: > This is going to follow the Change process, so if at certain point in > time the Change will not be ready it will go to FESCo to review the > progress and weight risks and benefits of the Change. It is then up to > FESCo to decide. Anyone from the Fedora community can join FESCo

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-05 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 06:00:58PM +0200, František Zatloukal wrote: > Some insight why was BTRFS dropped by RH: > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14907771 > > Also check out Stratis: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StratisStorage Stratis is a management tool that makes it a bit eas

Fedora Rawhide-20170804.n.1 compose check report

2017-08-05 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Atomic qcow2 x86_64 Workstation live i386 Server boot i386 Atomic raw-xz x86_64 Kde live i386 Failed openQA tests: 25/137 (x86_64), 3/18 (i386), 1/2 (arm) New failures (same test did not fail in Rawhide-20170731.n.0): ID: 126481 Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso base_ser

Re: F27 and the short schedule [was Re: Fedora 27 Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable)]

2017-08-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Aug 05, 2017 at 01:10:44PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > There seems to be a misunderstanding: I am not claiming that No-more-alphas > was invented specifically for the short F27 schedule. I am only pointing out > that the F27 schedule assumes No-more-alphas and that such a short schedule

Re: heads up: poppler soname bump

2017-08-05 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sat, Aug 05, 2017 at 04:15:24PM +0900, Mamoru TASAKA wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote on 08/05/2017 05:00 AM: > >On Wed, 2017-08-02 at 13:19 +0200, David Tardon wrote: > >>Hi, > >> > >>I will build a new release of poppler this week, which includes soname > >>bump. I will take care of rebuilding t

Arbitrary Branching and solving the "Change Checkpoint? Better hit the gas!" problem

2017-08-05 Thread Matthew Miller
Our Change process has the basic assumption that if a Change isn't working, we will be able to back out. But, in practice, when there are problems, we often find it that it's easiest to shrug and go forward, scrambling to fix problems in the change itself as well as any fallout. I won't say this is

Re: heads up: poppler soname bump

2017-08-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Sat, Aug 05, 2017 at 04:15:24PM +0900, Mamoru TASAKA wrote: >> Adam Williamson wrote on 08/05/2017 05:00 AM: >> >On Wed, 2017-08-02 at 13:19 +0200, David Tardon wrote: >> >>Hi, >> >> >> >>I will build a new release of poppler

Re: heads up: poppler soname bump

2017-08-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2017-08-05 at 16:15 +0900, Mamoru TASAKA wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote on 08/05/2017 05:00 AM: > > On Wed, 2017-08-02 at 13:19 +0200, David Tardon wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I will build a new release of poppler this week, which includes soname > > > bump. I will take care of rebuilding

Re: heads up: poppler soname bump

2017-08-05 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2017-08-05 at 11:32 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > This is garbage. How the heck are we supposed to do crap like this > when Koji itself isn't built to support this kind of thing freely? It's really not that difficult. You do a scratch build or build in mock, then test building the dependen

Re: heads up: poppler soname bump

2017-08-05 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 01:00:55PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2017-08-02 at 13:19 +0200, David Tardon wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I will build a new release of poppler this week, which includes soname > > bump. I will take care of rebuilding the affected packages: > > > > boomaga > > call

Re: heads up: poppler soname bump

2017-08-05 Thread Björn 'besser82' Esser
Am 05.08.2017 um 17:51 schrieb Adam Williamson: On Sat, 2017-08-05 at 16:15 +0900, Mamoru TASAKA wrote: Adam Williamson wrote on 08/05/2017 05:00 AM: On Wed, 2017-08-02 at 13:19 +0200, David Tardon wrote: Hi, I will build a new release of poppler this week, which includes soname bump. I will

Re: heads up: poppler soname bump

2017-08-05 Thread Björn 'besser82' Esser
Am 05.08.2017 um 18:08 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 01:00:55PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2017-08-02 at 13:19 +0200, David Tardon wrote: Hi, I will build a new release of poppler this week, which includes soname bump. I will take care of rebuilding th

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 06:00:58PM +0200, František Zatloukal wrote: >> Some insight why was BTRFS dropped by RH: >> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14907771 >> >> Also check out Stratis: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Str

[Modularity]: Service levels and EOL expectations?

2017-08-05 Thread Matthew Miller
I'm looking at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Module:Guidelines#SLs_and_EOLs While not a part of the modulemd specification yet, modules will eventually carry a Service Level (SL) value and an End of Life (EOL) value. The work in Changes/ArbitraryBranching will enable packag

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-05 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Aug 05, 2017 at 12:58:15PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 06:00:58PM +0200, František Zatloukal wrote: > >> Some insight why was BTRFS dropped by RH: > >> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14907771 > >> >

Fedora Rawhide-20170805.n.0 compose check report

2017-08-05 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Atomic qcow2 x86_64 Workstation live i386 Server boot i386 Atomic raw-xz x86_64 Kde live i386 Failed openQA tests: 23/137 (x86_64), 3/18 (i386), 1/2 (arm) New failures (same test did not fail in Rawhide-20170804.n.1): ID: 126644 Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso install_

Re: heads up: poppler soname bump

2017-08-05 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Sat, Aug 05, 2017 at 11:32:23AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > >> >Perhaps next time, you could test rebuilds of at least major things > >> >like texlive against the new poppler *before* you land the new poppler > >> >into rawh

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-05 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > There are plenty of "clever" kernel modules that do bits and pieces of > what Btrfs offers. ...there you can leverage all the benefits of Btrfs. > > That's all fine and good but features mean nothing if you don't have faith in the underlying

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-05 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: >> >> >> There are plenty of "clever" kernel modules that do bits and pieces of >> what Btrfs offers. >> >> ...there you can leverage all the benefits of Btrfs. >> > > That's all fine and good

Re: BTRFS dropped by RedHat

2017-08-05 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > > That's all fine and good but features mean nothing if you don't have > faith > > in the underlying filesystem. > > People have been burnt by Btrfs and just don't trust it's design. >

Re: heads up: poppler soname bump

2017-08-05 Thread Björn 'besser82' Esser
Am 05.08.2017 um 18:14 schrieb Björn 'besser82' Esser: Am 05.08.2017 um 18:08 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 01:00:55PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2017-08-02 at 13:19 +0200, David Tardon wrote: Hi, I will build a new release of poppler this week, which

Re: heads up: poppler soname bump

2017-08-05 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sat, Aug 05, 2017 at 08:36:22PM +0200, Björn 'besser82' Esser wrote: > Am 05.08.2017 um 18:14 schrieb Björn 'besser82' Esser: > >Am 05.08.2017 um 18:08 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: > >>On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 01:00:55PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > >>>On Wed, 2017-08-02 at 13:19 +0200

Re: heads up: poppler soname bump

2017-08-05 Thread Björn 'besser82' Esser
Am 05.08.2017 um 20:45 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: On Sat, Aug 05, 2017 at 08:36:22PM +0200, Björn 'besser82' Esser wrote: Am 05.08.2017 um 18:14 schrieb Björn 'besser82' Esser: Am 05.08.2017 um 18:08 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 01:00:55PM -0700, Adam

Re: heads up: poppler soname bump

2017-08-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On 08/05/2017 11:45 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > From #fedora-releng: > 18:11 <+nirik> sharkcz: can you clean up space on s390 koji? its very close > to full... > 18:22 < sharkcz> nirik: done, thanks for the notice > > Maybe you should try again? That is the old secondary arch s390

Re: heads up: poppler soname bump

2017-08-05 Thread Björn 'besser82' Esser
Am 05.08.2017 um 21:05 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: On 08/05/2017 11:45 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: From #fedora-releng: 18:11 <+nirik> sharkcz: can you clean up space on s390 koji? its very close to full... 18:22 < sharkcz> nirik: done, thanks for the notice Maybe you should try again?

[DRAFT] Mass package change proposal

2017-08-05 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
Hi! This is a continuation of the "Finalizing Fedora's Switch to Python 3" thread on fedora-devel, using the procedure from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mass_package_changes. I'm proposing an automated change to ~723 packages, and manual fixes or follow-up bug filing for the remaining ~114 pac

Orphaned Packages in rawhide (2017-08-06)

2017-08-05 Thread till
The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life Note: If y

Re: heads up: poppler soname bump

2017-08-05 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On 08/05/2017 11:45 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >> From #fedora-releng: >> 18:11 <+nirik> sharkcz: can you clean up space on s390 koji? its very close >> to full... >> 18:22 < sharkcz> nirik: done, thanks for the notice >> >> Maybe

Re: one concrete idea for fedora

2017-08-05 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Fri, 2017-08-04 at 09:24 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 11:23:30AM +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: > > Do a stable release do Fedora 25.1 or 26.1  > > > > install a live disk and have 2 bg of updates is a joke,  > > you may take double of the time but do something that we can