Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Andrew Haley
On 09/12/2015 03:21 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > But if we're in a situation where we are just killing ourselves > shoehorning upstream's mess of bundled requirements into rpms and > their response is just 'well just run "pip install foo" and be done > with it', I think it's time to just let every

Rpmbuild SPEC file - variable declaration

2015-09-13 Thread arnaud gaboury
When declaring a variable value, I wonder if the any difference/best practice between these methods: export VAR=MyValue %{define} VAR MyValue %{global} VAR MyValue Thank you for hints. -- google.com/+arnaudgabourygabx -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedorap

Re: Orphaned packages available for new point of contact

2015-09-13 Thread Kalev Lember
On 09/09/2015 10:10 PM, Thomas Spura wrote: > I retired ScientificPython as it does require an older numpy and doesn't > build anytime soon with the current numpy and will be FTBFS for a longer > time [1]. How did you retire it? It doesn't appear to be blocked in koji for some reason and Scientifi

F-23 Branched report: 20150913 changes

2015-09-13 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Sun Sep 13 07:15:04 UTC 2015 Broken deps for armhfp -- [ScientificPython] ScientificPython-2.8-20.fc22.armv7hl requires libmpi.so.1 [apache-scout] apache-scout-1.2.6-11.fc21.noarch requires mvn(org.apache.jud

rawhide report: 20150913 changes

2015-09-13 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sun Sep 13 05:15:03 UTC 2015 Broken deps for i386 -- [IQmol] IQmol-2.3.0-9.fc24.i686 requires libboost_serialization.so.1.58.0 IQmol-2.3.0-9.fc24.i686 requires libboost_iostreams.so.1.58.0 [ScientificPython]

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.09.2015 um 10:16 schrieb Andrew Haley: I remember the time before free software distros like Fedora: it was chaotic, with messes of bundles and contradictory dependencies from all over the place, with no reliable tools for finding things. Relying on the upstream ecosystem's way of sorting

Re: Rpmbuild SPEC file - variable declaration

2015-09-13 Thread Rex Dieter
arnaud gaboury wrote: > When declaring a variable value, I wonder if the any difference/best > practice between these methods: > > export VAR=MyValue > %{define} VAR MyValue > %{global} VAR MyValue best practice is to use global, it is explicitly mentioned here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/P

Re: Rpmbuild SPEC file - variable declaration

2015-09-13 Thread Haïkel
I might add that fedora-review could be run on local spec + srpm and will warn you about these kinds of things. H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Haïkel
2015-09-13 10:16 GMT+02:00 Andrew Haley : > > The development model followed by much of the upstream world is > immature: it may not even be repeatable, let alone well-defined. > Shoehorning upstream's mess of bundled requirements is a very useful > service that we can provide to our users. By beh

Re: Rpmbuild SPEC file - variable declaration

2015-09-13 Thread arnaud gaboury
On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > arnaud gaboury wrote: > >> When declaring a variable value, I wonder if the any difference/best >> practice between these methods: >> >> export VAR=MyValue >> %{define} VAR MyValue >> %{global} VAR MyValue > > best practice is to use global, it

Re: Rpmbuild SPEC file - variable declaration

2015-09-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.09.2015 um 15:39 schrieb arnaud gaboury: On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: arnaud gaboury wrote: When declaring a variable value, I wonder if the any difference/best practice between these methods: export VAR=MyValue %{define} VAR MyValue %{global} VAR MyValue bes

Re: Rpmbuild SPEC file - variable declaration

2015-09-13 Thread arnaud gaboury
On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 13.09.2015 um 15:39 schrieb arnaud gaboury: >> >> On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: >>> >>> arnaud gaboury wrote: >>> When declaring a variable value, I wonder if the any difference/best practice between th

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Sex, 2015-09-11 at 22:41 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > On 09/11/2015 09:09 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > > What does Fedora users gain with "dnf > > install rails" or "dnf install ipython" versus "gem install rails" and "pip > > install ipython"? > > This indeed is very good question.

Re: Rpmbuild SPEC file - variable declaration

2015-09-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.09.2015 um 16:01 schrieb arnaud gaboury: On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: export CFFLAGS= '-xHost -mavx -fp-model precise' %configure CFFLAGS="${CFLAGS:-%optflags}" ; export CFLAGS ; \ Is above the the best way? no * there is no reason to men

Re: Rpmbuild SPEC file - variable declaration

2015-09-13 Thread arnaud gaboury
On Sep 13, 2015 4:07 PM, "Reindl Harald" wrote: > > > > Am 13.09.2015 um 16:01 schrieb arnaud gaboury: >> >> On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: export CFFLAGS= '-xHost -mavx -fp-model precise' %configure CFFLAGS="${CFLAGS:-%optflags}" ; export CFLAGS ;

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Sex, 2015-09-11 at 22:41 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > > > On 09/11/2015 09:09 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > > > What does Fedora users gain with "dnf > > > install rails" or "dnf install ipython" versus "gem install rails" and >

Re: F21: fedora-easy-karma / bodhi / updates testing / kf5-baloo

2015-09-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.08.2015 um 13:16 schrieb Till Hofmann: On 08/29/2015 06:32 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2015-08-28 at 16:27 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: bodhi2 at https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/ is unusable for testers because the search field seeks for users, no idea how to get to the current f

[Test-Announce] 2015-09-14 @ 15:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2015-09-13 Thread Adam Williamson
# Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting # Date: 2015-09-14 # Time: 15:00 UTC (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto) # Location: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net Greetings testers! It's QA meeting time again! I don't really have a lot for the agenda, but we haven't met for a couple

Re: No autocomplete for new package in bodhi 2.0?

2015-09-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 16:15:24 -0700 Dave Johansen wrote: > I just finished the review for cppformat ( > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1216279 ) and went to > submit the updates. I noticed that bodhi 2.0 won't autocomplete the > names of updates. I believe that would happen before the

Re: No autocomplete for new package in bodhi 2.0?

2015-09-13 Thread Tom Hughes
On 13/09/15 19:02, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 16:15:24 -0700 Dave Johansen wrote: I just finished the review for cppformat ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1216279 ) and went to submit the updates. I noticed that bodhi 2.0 won't autocomplete the names of updates. I bel

Fedora 23 Branched 20150913 compose check report

2015-09-13 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Cloud atomic Disk x86_64 Cloud base Disk i386 No images in this compose but not 23 Branched 20150912 No images in 23 Branched 20150912 but not this. -- Mail generated by check-compose: https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/fedora-qa.git/tree/check-compose -- devel mailing

Re: No autocomplete for new package in bodhi 2.0?

2015-09-13 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Sun, 2015-09-13 at 19:28 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > Normally you're right, but if the package has only just been created > then it doesn't work. I assume bodhi catches up eventually but there > is > definitely a delay when a new package is created during which bodhi > won't find it and you ha

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 2015-09-13, 13:13 GMT, Haïkel wrote: > But, distros have lost the influence they used to have then, we're in the > cloud/container era where people bundle everything ... And they won't retake it by giving up. Then they will just give ammunition to the idiots persuading them they are right. >

Fedora Rawhide 20150913 compose check report

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Re: [Fedora-packaging] Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Lars Seipel
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 09:53:27AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > == Advantages to using shared libraries == > * Security/Bugs - When a bug or security vulnerability is located in > a library, it needs to be patched in only a single package in order to > fix all applications using that library.

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Haïkel
2015-09-13 20:40 GMT+02:00 Matěj Cepl : > On 2015-09-13, 13:13 GMT, Haïkel wrote: >> But, distros have lost the influence they used to have then, we're in the >> cloud/container era where people bundle everything ... > > And they won't retake it by giving up. Then they will just give > ammunition t

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 2015-09-13, 20:23 GMT, Haïkel wrote: > The Java world is definitively not moving in the right direction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Module_System is IMHO The Right Thing™ and it is still on the list of deliverables for Java 9 (still to be feature complete on 2015-12-10). > Recently,

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 23:30:13 +0200, you wrote: >On 2015-09-13, 20:23 GMT, Haïkel wrote: >> The Java world is definitively not moving in the right direction. > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Module_System is IMHO The >Right Thing™ and it is still on the list of deliverables for >Java 9 (stil

Re: Orphaned packages available for new point of contact

2015-09-13 Thread Thomas Spura
Kalev Lember schrieb am So., 13. Sep. 2015 um 13:37 Uhr: > On 09/09/2015 10:10 PM, Thomas Spura wrote: > > I retired ScientificPython as it does require an older numpy and doesn't > > build anytime soon with the current numpy and will be FTBFS for a longer > > time [1]. > > How did you retire it?

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 12 September 2015 at 04:10, Adam Williamson wrote: > I agree that the discussion here needs to be more broad-based; see the > other thread fork. I was just providing support for Stephen's > contention that this is not some airy-fairy theoretical problem, there > are multiple examples of real th