Re: noarch vs. all, x86_64 vs. amd64, kernel vs. linux and PAE

2015-08-16 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 08/14/2015 02:38 PM, Wei-Lun Chao wrote: > Hi, > > Is there already any discussion about: > rename arch name "noarch" to "all" > rename arch name "x86_64" to "amd64" > rename package name "kernel-PAE" to "kernel" > and even rename package name "kernel" to "linux" IMHO kernel-PAE -> kernel is

Re: noarch vs. all, x86_64 vs. amd64, kernel vs. linux and PAE

2015-08-16 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.08.2015 um 10:47 schrieb Roberto Ragusa: On 08/14/2015 02:38 PM, Wei-Lun Chao wrote: Hi, Is there already any discussion about: rename arch name "noarch" to "all" rename arch name "x86_64" to "amd64" rename package name "kernel-PAE" to "kernel" and even rename package name "kernel" to "

Re: noarch vs. all, x86_64 vs. amd64, kernel vs. linux and PAE

2015-08-16 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.08.2015 um 10:55 schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 16.08.2015 um 10:47 schrieb Roberto Ragusa: On 08/14/2015 02:38 PM, Wei-Lun Chao wrote: Hi, Is there already any discussion about: rename arch name "noarch" to "all" rename arch name "x86_64" to "amd64" rename package name "kernel-PAE" to "k

Re: noarch vs. all, x86_64 vs. amd64, kernel vs. linux and PAE

2015-08-16 Thread Felix Miata
Roberto Ragusa composed on 2015-08-16 10:47 (UTC+0200): > dropping an underscore is nice too That would be wonderful. Underscore is an contortive nuisance trying to touch type top row with one pinkie while shifting with other pinkie, not to mention even to see it when font is small or contrast lo

rawhide report: 20150816 changes

2015-08-16 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sun Aug 16 05:15:03 UTC 2015 Broken deps for i386 -- [IQmol] IQmol-2.3.0-6.fc23.i686 requires libboost_serialization.so.1.57.0 IQmol-2.3.0-6.fc23.i686 requires libboost_iostreams.so.1.57.0 [ScientificPython]

F-23 Branched report: 20150816 changes

2015-08-16 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Sun Aug 16 07:15:02 UTC 2015 Broken deps for armhfp -- [apache-scout] apache-scout-1.2.6-11.fc21.noarch requires mvn(org.apache.juddi:uddi-ws) apache-scout-1.2.6-11.fc21.noarch requires mvn(org.apache.juddi:

Re: Same comand names in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin

2015-08-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 14.08.15 17:58, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: > On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 07:24:16PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > Given that sbin is in $PATH for unprivileged users too the seperation > > is really pointless, since it's now only the $PATH order which makes > > this

Re: Sponsors - who does (not) work on FE-NEEDSPONSOR tickets

2015-08-16 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 10:02:05 -0400 Haïkel wrote: ...snip... > Using Bugzilla rather than FAS is not a bad idea, as some people > abuse their sponsor status by blindly adding people into the packager > group without any supervision. Using FAS as the information source > would just hide this hideo

Re: Sponsors - who does (not) work on FE-NEEDSPONSOR tickets

2015-08-16 Thread Haïkel
2015-08-16 10:33 GMT-04:00 Kevin Fenzi : > On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 10:02:05 -0400 > Haïkel wrote: > > ...snip... > >> Using Bugzilla rather than FAS is not a bad idea, as some people >> abuse their sponsor status by blindly adding people into the packager >> group without any supervision. Using FAS as

Re: noarch vs. all, x86_64 vs. amd64, kernel vs. linux and PAE

2015-08-16 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 08/16/2015 10:55 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > no the architecture was created by Intel > > AMD added the 64bit capabilities in a compatible way other than Intel itself > tried with Itanium which was not able to run i686 instructions and later > Intel was forced to license the AMD extensions

Re: Same comand names in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin

2015-08-16 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 02:03:38PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > In general: encoding privilige policy into the API through binary > paths is a really bad idea, as policy shouldn't be considered strict > API (or to be more precise: it should be allowed to open up policy -- > while of course no

Re: Same comand names in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin

2015-08-16 Thread drago01
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 02:03:38PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: >> In general: encoding privilige policy into the API through binary >> paths is a really bad idea, as policy shouldn't be considered strict >> API (or to be more precise: i

Re: noarch vs. all, x86_64 vs. amd64, kernel vs. linux and PAE

2015-08-16 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.08.2015 um 18:14 schrieb Roberto Ragusa: On 08/16/2015 10:55 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: no the architecture was created by Intel AMD added the 64bit capabilities in a compatible way other than Intel itself tried with Itanium which was not able to run i686 instructions and later Intel w

Re: noarch vs. all, x86_64 vs. amd64, kernel vs. linux and PAE

2015-08-16 Thread Josh Boyer
On Aug 16, 2015 12:50 PM, "Reindl Harald" wrote: > > > > Am 16.08.2015 um 18:14 schrieb Roberto Ragusa: >> >> On 08/16/2015 10:55 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> >>> >>> no the architecture was created by Intel >>> >>> AMD added the 64bit capabilities in a compatible way other than Intel itself tried

Re: Same comand names in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin

2015-08-16 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 8:03 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fri, 14.08.15 17:58, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 07:24:16PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: >> > Given that sbin is in $PATH for unprivileged users too the seperation >> > is really p

Re: systemd bugs again and again

2015-08-16 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
Yes, Lennart is a dick. Everyone who has to work with sytemd has seen this. But please, Don't give him excuses to pretend justification for ignoring your complaints by coming off growsy in the mailing list. On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > is systemd now orphaned in Fedora

Re: systemd bugs again and again

2015-08-16 Thread Josh Boyer
On Aug 16, 2015 1:01 PM, "Nico Kadel-Garcia" wrote: > > Yes, Lennart is a dick. Everyone who has to work with sytemd has seen this. Personal attacks are not acceptable on this list. Don't do it again. josh -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mail

Re: Same comand names in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin

2015-08-16 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sun, 16.08.15 12:57, Nico Kadel-Garcia (nka...@gmail.com) wrote: > > In general: encoding privilige policy into the API through binary > > paths is a really bad idea, as policy shouldn't be considered strict > > API (or to be more precise: it should be allowed to open up policy -- > > while of

Re: Same comand names in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin

2015-08-16 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.08.2015 um 18:57 schrieb Nico Kadel-Garcia: It's a basic violation of the ordinary segregation between "/bin" as ordinary user tools" and "/sbin" as sysadmin tools to start mixing them, and much more confusing to have the same program name in both. And it's frankly easy to avoid. "mock", f

Re: Same comand names in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin

2015-08-16 Thread Eric Griffith
> *No one else* suggested discarding /sbin. Doing so > will break decades of stable open source and free software. Didn't Arch move /usr/sbin to just be a symlink to /usr/bin? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of

Re: Same comand names in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin

2015-08-16 Thread Gary Gatling
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Eric Griffith wrote: > > Didn't Arch move /usr/sbin to just be a symlink to /usr/bin? > Looks like they did. [gsgatlin@arch64 ~]$ ls -al /usr/sbin lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Feb 15 16:57 /usr/sbin -> bin -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https:/

Re: Same comand names in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin

2015-08-16 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.08.2015 um 20:52 schrieb Eric Griffith: > *No one else* suggested discarding /sbin. Doing so > will break decades of stable open source and free software. Didn't Arch move /usr/sbin to just be a symlink to /usr/bin? maybe but even if not, it don't matter and would not break *anything

Re: F23: Copr build failure: glibc

2015-08-16 Thread Sérgio Basto
Hi, redirecting to copr-devel On Qua, 2015-07-29 at 09:18 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 15:15 +0200, Rajeesh K V wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Copr fails to build for F23 (i686, x86_64) due to error: > > > > Error: Package glibc-2.21.90-21.fc23.x86_64.rpm is not signed > >

Re: Same comand names in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin

2015-08-16 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 06:35:28PM +0200, drago01 wrote: > > Yeah, that's why I was suggesting using it instead for things that > > really have no business being in anyone's path, root or not, rather > > than have it relate to privileges at all. But, again, only > > halfheartedly. > That's what lib

Re: Same comand names in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin

2015-08-16 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 16.08.2015 um 18:57 schrieb Nico Kadel-Garcia: >> >> It's a basic violation of the ordinary segregation between "/bin" as >> ordinary user tools" and "/sbin" as sysadmin tools to start mixing >> them, and much more confusing to have the

Re: Same comand names in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin

2015-08-16 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 16.08.2015 um 18:57 schrieb Nico Kadel-Garcia: >>> >>> It's a basic violation of the ordinary segregation between "/bin" as >>> ordinary user tools" and "/sbin" as sysadmin t

Re: systemd bugs again and again

2015-08-16 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Aug 16, 2015 1:01 PM, "Nico Kadel-Garcia" wrote: >> >> Yes, Lennart is a [rude word removed] > Personal attacks are not acceptable on this list. Don't do it again. Sorry, that was meant to be a personal message to the author of the previo

Re: Same comand names in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin

2015-08-16 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.08.2015 um 00:24 schrieb Nico Kadel-Garcia: On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 16.08.2015 um 18:57 schrieb Nico Kadel-Garcia: It's a basic violation of the ordinary segregation between "/bin" as ordinary user tools" and "/sbin" as sysadmin tools to start mixing

Re: Same comand names in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin

2015-08-16 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.08.2015 um 01:22 schrieb Nico Kadel-Garcia: On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 16.08.2015 um 18:57 schrieb Nico Kadel-Garcia: It's a basic violation of the ordinary segregation between "/bin" as ordinar

Re: Metadata signing for rawhide

2015-08-16 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > On Thursday, August 06, 2015 08:29:50 AM Rex Dieter wrote: >> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >> > What makes you think a site that is poisoning or abusing the metadata >> > would not simply run "createrepo" and generate entirely new metadat >> >>

Re: Same comand names in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin

2015-08-16 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 7:25 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 17.08.2015 um 01:22 schrieb Nico Kadel-Garcia: > >> On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia >> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Reindl Harald >>> wrote: >>> Am 16.08.2015 um 18:57 schrieb Nico Kadel-

Re: Same comand names in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin

2015-08-16 Thread Eric Griffith
On Aug 16, 2015 2:59 PM, "Reindl Harald" wrote: > > > Am 16.08.2015 um 20:52 schrieb Eric Griffith: >> >> > *No one else* suggested discarding /sbin. Doing so >> > will break decades of stable open source and free software. >> >> Didn't Arch move /usr/sbin to just be a symlink to /usr/bin? > > >

Re: Metadata signing for rawhide

2015-08-16 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 07:40:21PM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > On Thursday, August 06, 2015 08:29:50 AM Rex Dieter wrote: > >> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > >> > What makes you think a site that is poisoning or abusing the metadata > >>