Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On July 29, 2015 2:06:52 PM PDT, "Richard W.M. Jones" < rjo...@redhat.com> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:45:57AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > ocaml > > The comps.xml group for ocaml is pretty weird. It has some mandatory > base packages, which are OK-ish (although there are some notable on

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

2015-07-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2015-07-15 at 11:46 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > this thread, comps has things such as the (still mysterious to me) > environment groups, Environment groups are, quite simply, groups of groups. That's the entirety of the matter. They have a 'grouplist' of member groups that are basical

gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-07-30 Thread Felix Miata
# dnf upgrade (dnf nearly exhausts freespace downloading all packages before installing any packages) dnf then reports package xxx needs ##MB on / filesystem and exits without doing any installing dnf all deletes downloaded packages # dnf upgrade (package subset, e.g. dnf* rpm* a* b* c* d* e* f* x*

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-07-30 Thread Johnny Robeson
On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 03:21 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > # dnf upgrade > (dnf nearly exhausts freespace downloading all packages before > installing any > packages) > dnf then reports package xxx needs ##MB on / filesystem and exits > without > doing any installing > dnf all deletes downloaded pac

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-07-30 Thread Felix Miata
Johnny Robeson composed on 2015-07-30 03:25 (UTC-0400): > On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 03:21 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: >> # dnf upgrade >> (dnf nearly exhausts freespace downloading all packages before installing >> any packages) >> dnf then reports package xxx needs ##MB on / filesystem and exits with

Re: Help needed: F23 32-bit kernel issue

2015-07-30 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/29/2015 11:12 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:36:07AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: Secondly, it would be excellent if someone could commit to spinning test ISOs when requested. Turn around time on bugs like this are

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-07-30 Thread Radek Holy
- Original Message - > From: "Felix Miata" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 9:21:19 AM > Subject: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited > > # dnf upgrade > (dnf nearly exhausts freespace downloading all packages before installing a

Re: Emacs packaging guidelines

2015-07-30 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 29.7.2015 v 19:42 Michael Schwendt napsal(a): > On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 18:53:27 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > >> "The Emacs add-on packaging guidelines no longer stipulate that packages >> which >> also bundle support for Emacs should split out those Emacs files into >> separate >> sub-packages.

Re: F23: Copr build failure: glibc

2015-07-30 Thread Rajeesh K V
>> Copr fails to build for F23 (i686, x86_64) due to error: >> >> Error: Package glibc-2.21.90-21.fc23.x86_64.rpm is not signed >> >> For instance see the build log >> https://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/rajeeshknambiar/kf5-k >> de-apps/fedora-23-x86_64/plasma-volume-control-5.3.90-1.fc

Re: [HEADS UP] rpm-4.12.90 in rawhide

2015-07-30 Thread Björn Persson
Florian Festi wrote: > Also we still need to settle to a final syntax for the operators [1]. > Unfortunately there is no consensus among the other packaging formats > what to use. Right now rpm accepts 3 different styles: > * AND OR IF ELSE > * & | ? : > * && || ? : > But the final release will

Re: [HEADS UP] rpm-4.12.90 in rawhide

2015-07-30 Thread Björn Persson
Neal Gompa wrote: > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 5:37 AM, Florian Festi > wrote: > > Also we still need to settle to a final syntax for the operators > > [1]. Unfortunately there is no consensus among the other packaging > > formats what to use. Right now rpm accepts 3 different styles: > > * AND OR I

Re: [HEADS UP] rpm-4.12.90 in rawhide

2015-07-30 Thread Björn Persson
Michael Schroeder wrote: > And there's IF and THEN/ELSE. IF is a postfix op, like in perl > and ruby: > > Requires: a IF b There's no ELSE part in this variant? > THEN/ELSE is the infix one: > > Requires: b THEN a > Requires: b ? a > Requires: b THEN a ELSE c > Requires: b ? a : c "THEN" witho

Re: Emacs packaging guidelines

2015-07-30 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 10:18:13 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Actually what is the point of following? > > ``` > Case II > > Where a package's principal functionality does not require (X)Emacs, but > the package also includes some auxiliary Elisp files to provide support > for the package in (X)Emacs

Re: Emacs packaging guidelines

2015-07-30 Thread Jonathan Underwood
On 30 July 2015 at 11:27, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 10:18:13 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > >> Actually what is the point of following? >> >> ``` >> Case II >> >> Where a package's principal functionality does not require (X)Emacs, but >> the package also includes some auxiliary E

Re: Emacs packaging guidelines

2015-07-30 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 30.7.2015 v 12:27 Michael Schwendt napsal(a): > On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 10:18:13 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > >> Actually what is the point of following? >> >> ``` >> Case II >> >> Where a package's principal functionality does not require (X)Emacs, but >> the package also includes some auxiliary El

Re: Emacs packaging guidelines

2015-07-30 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 30.7.2015 v 12:39 Jonathan Underwood napsal(a): > On 30 July 2015 at 11:27, Michael Schwendt wrote: >> On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 10:18:13 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: >> >>> Actually what is the point of following? >>> >>> ``` >>> Case II >>> >>> Where a package's principal functionality does not requi

Re: Emacs packaging guidelines

2015-07-30 Thread Jonathan Underwood
On 30 July 2015 at 11:48, Vít Ondruch wrote: [snip] > These are definitely fair points, but at the end, this should be left up > to the maintainer if there will be -emacs package and the general > preference should be to support the subpackages. I hope it will give as > greater opportunities with

Re: Emacs packaging guidelines

2015-07-30 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 11:39:00 +0100, Jonathan Underwood wrote: > If there's a general consensus that we want > to switch back to the splitting out of emacs sub-packages, I would > definitely support that initiative. But I think (and I'm not speaking > for them) the FPC would want to see good reason

Re: Emacs packaging guidelines

2015-07-30 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 12:02:05 +0100, Jonathan Underwood wrote: > On 30 July 2015 at 11:48, Vít Ondruch wrote: > [snip] > > These are definitely fair points, but at the end, this should be left up > > to the maintainer if there will be -emacs package and the general > > preference should be to supp

Re: Emacs packaging guidelines

2015-07-30 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 12:43:15 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > I read that, but there is no really explained why it should not be > subpackage. Moreover, I am not sure if you support my point or you are > against :) https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2015-July/212924.html -- devel mailing

Re: Emacs packaging guidelines

2015-07-30 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 13:05:13 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > As much as I like a "minimal installation" as a base core for spins and > other products, I'm a much bigger fan of fewer and bigger packages instead > of confronting and overwhelming distribution users with thousands of packages. > You

F-23 Branched report: 20150730 changes

2015-07-30 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Thu Jul 30 07:15:03 UTC 2015 Broken deps for armhfp -- [apache-scout] apache-scout-1.2.6-11.fc21.noarch requires mvn(org.apache.juddi:uddi-ws) apache-scout-1.2.6-11.fc21.noarch requires mvn(org.apache.juddi:

Re: F-23 Branched report: 20150730 changes

2015-07-30 Thread gil
Il 30/07/2015 13:45, Fedora Branched Report ha scritto: Removed package: deltaspike-1.2.1-3.fc23 Removed package: openwebbeans-1.2.0-6.fc23 why these was removed? they are already built for F23, please revert tese changes! deltaspike http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1008414

rawhide report: 20150730 changes

2015-07-30 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Thu Jul 30 05:15:03 UTC 2015 Broken deps for i386 -- [apache-scout] apache-scout-1.2.6-11.fc21.noarch requires mvn(org.apache.juddi:uddi-ws) apache-scout-1.2.6-11.fc21.noarch requires mvn(org.apache.juddi:ju

Re: rawhide report: 20150730 changes

2015-07-30 Thread gil
Il 30/07/2015 14:42, Fedora Rawhide Report ha scritto: Removed package: deltaspike-1.2.1-3.fc23 Removed package: openwebbeans-1.2.0-6.fc23 why these was removed? they are already built for F23, please revert these changes! deltaspike http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=1008414

[HEADS UP] libgit2 and -glib version bump to 0.23.0 in f23 & rawhide

2015-07-30 Thread Igor Gnatenko
Hi, I'm planning today to update libgit2[0] and libgit2-glib[1] in Fedora 23 and Fedora Rawhide to new version. API has changed, some functions removed, some has new/type changed parameters. Read more[2]. Packages which needs rebuild (probably patches or updates needed): * gitg * gnome-builder *

[HEADS-UP] Please test kdbus in Rawhide!

2015-07-30 Thread Lennart Poettering
Heya! I'd like to ask everybody to test kdbus on Rawhide. Josh thankfully added it to the Rawhide kernel packages, and our systemd RPMs come with built-in support, too now. If you are running an up-to-date Rawhide system adding "kdbus=1" to your kernel command line is hence everything you need to

Re: [HEADS-UP] Please test kdbus in Rawhide!

2015-07-30 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 19:57 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Heya! > > I'd like to ask everybody to test kdbus on Rawhide. Josh thankfully > added it to the Rawhide kernel packages, and our systemd RPMs come > with built-in support, too now. If you are running an up-to-date > Rawhide system addi

Re: [HEADS-UP] Please test kdbus in Rawhide!

2015-07-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > For folks not keen to jump headfirst into Rawhide, is it expected that > this should work on Fedora 23 or Fedora 22 if one installs only the > kernel and systemd packages from Rawhide? That might make people more > comfortable trying it

Re: [HEADS-UP] Please test kdbus in Rawhide!

2015-07-30 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 19:57 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: >> Heya! >> >> I'd like to ask everybody to test kdbus on Rawhide. Josh thankfully >> added it to the Rawhide kernel packages, and our systemd RPMs come >> with built-in support

Re: [HEADS-UP] Please test kdbus in Rawhide!

2015-07-30 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Stephen Gallagher > wrote: >> On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 19:57 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: >>> Heya! >>> >>> I'd like to ask everybody to test kdbus on Rawhide. Josh thankfully >>> added it to the Rawhide kern

Re: [HEADS-UP] Please test kdbus in Rawhide!

2015-07-30 Thread Olivia
Hello Andrew, Yes I'm Real. To prove I'm real first off.. You are Development discussions related to Fedora and your mail Id devel@lists.fedoraproject.org I was just taking a quick shower and I heard my phone vibrate, my hair isnt even close to being dry yet but I wanted to quickly check my em

Re: Help needed: F23 32-bit kernel issue

2015-07-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 09:43 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > AFAICT, so far, it seems to boot (and work) without any apparent > immediate issues. So, my wild guess would be on an iso/boot-image > composition or tooling issue. No. It's clearly a kernel bug. It's just that it happens to be in code

Re: [HEADS-UP] Please test kdbus in Rawhide!

2015-07-30 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 19:57 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Heya! > > I'd like to ask everybody to test kdbus on Rawhide. Josh thankfully > added it to the Rawhide kernel packages, and our systemd RPMs come > with built-in support, too now. If you are running an up-to-date > Rawhide system addi

Re: [HEADS-UP] Please test kdbus in Rawhide!

2015-07-30 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 02:40:37PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > OK, I spun up a Fedora Server 23 Alpha TC2 system and installed the > Rawhide kernel, then rebooted with kdbus=1 > > I then tried to run 'rolectl list roles', which returned "Rolekit is > not running". So it failed to provide D-B

Orphaned Packages in rawhide (2015-07-30)

2015-07-30 Thread opensource
The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life Note: If y

Orphaned Packages in branched (2015-07-30)

2015-07-30 Thread opensource
The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life Note: If y

Re: [HEADS-UP] Please test kdbus in Rawhide!

2015-07-30 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 18:50 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 02:40:37PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > OK, I spun up a Fedora Server 23 Alpha TC2 system and installed the > > Rawhide kernel, then rebooted with kdbus=1 > > > > I then tried to run 'rolectl lis

Re: F-23 Branched report: 20150730 changes

2015-07-30 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 14:28:03 +0200 gil wrote: > Il 30/07/2015 13:45, Fedora Branched Report ha scritto: > > Removed package: deltaspike-1.2.1-3.fc23 > > Removed package: openwebbeans-1.2.0-6.fc23 > why these was removed? > they are already built for F23, please revert tese changes! > deltaspike

Re: F-23 Branched report: 20150730 changes

2015-07-30 Thread gil
Il 30/07/2015 22:30, Kevin Fenzi ha scritto: On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 14:28:03 +0200 gil wrote: Il 30/07/2015 13:45, Fedora Branched Report ha scritto: Removed package: deltaspike-1.2.1-3.fc23 Removed package: openwebbeans-1.2.0-6.fc23 why these was removed? they are already built for F23, pl

Re: [HEADS-UP] Please test kdbus in Rawhide!

2015-07-30 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 07/30/2015 11:57 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Heya! > > I'd like to ask everybody to test kdbus on Rawhide. Josh thankfully > added it to the Rawhide kernel packages, and our systemd RPMs come > with built-in support, too now. If you are running an up-to-date > Rawhide system adding "kdbus=1

Re: [HEADS-UP] Please test kdbus in Rawhide!

2015-07-30 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 07/30/2015 04:54 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 07/30/2015 11:57 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: >> Heya! >> >> I'd like to ask everybody to test kdbus on Rawhide. Josh thankfully >> added it to the Rawhide kernel packages, and our systemd RPMs come >> with built-in support, too now. If you are r

Re: [HEADS-UP] Please test kdbus in Rawhide!

2015-07-30 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 6:54 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 07/30/2015 11:57 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: >> Heya! >> >> I'd like to ask everybody to test kdbus on Rawhide. Josh thankfully >> added it to the Rawhide kernel packages, and our systemd RPMs come >> with built-in support, too now. If

Re: and legacy software Re: pyorbit

2015-07-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matěj Cepl wrote: > I take Gnumeric and Emacs, but all other ones are in-Gnome > projects, aren't they (at least having repository in > git.gnome.org)? Gnumeric is part of GNOME Office, so it is also under the GNOME umbrella these days. The thing is that GTK+ 3 is becoming more and more useless

Re: Updates push status - 20150725

2015-07-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Friday (20150724), it hit a problem in the fedora22 updates-testing > atomic compose. We worked thru and fixed one, but there's still some > sort of issue preventing it from completing. ;( So this useless "Fedora Atomic" toy now delayed updates (including security updates!) f

Re: Packaging with hidden strings

2015-07-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jiří Konečný wrote: > I have a theoretical question. Is it possible to a create package to > Fedora which is using oauth2 authentication and that means there are > app_id and secret_code strings generated by api provider? These strings > are used in the program but can't be shipped in the code beca

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-07-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Radek Holy wrote: > Known, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1220074. Should be > fixed in dnf-1.0.2. I still don't understand why we don't just enable keepcache by default. Even after a successful update/install, deleting the cached packages is a major data loss because it prevents do

Re: Boost updated to 1.58.0 in rawhide and f23

2015-07-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2015-07-24 at 19:26 +0100, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > > > scantailor > > This has some weird CMake error about being unable to figure out how > to use -pthread. This one boiled down to crappy upstream build scripts which disregard the provided CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS values: https://github.co

Re: Updates push status - 20150725

2015-07-30 Thread Johnny Robeson
On Fri, 2015-07-31 at 02:40 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Friday (20150724), it hit a problem in the fedora22 updates-testing > > atomic compose. We worked thru and fixed one, but there's still > > some > > sort of issue preventing it from completing. ;( > > So this useless

"install devtools" in F22 live boot, device-mapper implosion

2015-07-30 Thread Chris Murphy
User over on users@ list reports booting Fedora 22 Workstation (live media), and doing: # dnf install "Developer Tools" Implodes. I've reproduced the problem, and the gist is that there's a dm snapshot that's too small for this task, it gets full quickly, the file system face plants, and the ker

Re: "install devtools" in F22 live boot, device-mapper implosion

2015-07-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 21:11 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > User over on users@ list reports booting Fedora 22 Workstation (live > media), and doing: > > # dnf install "Developer Tools" > > Implodes. > > I've reproduced the problem, and the gist is that there's a dm > snapshot that's too small for

Re: [HEADS-UP] Please test kdbus in Rawhide!

2015-07-30 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 04:54:18PM -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 07/30/2015 11:57 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > Heya! > > > > I'd like to ask everybody to test kdbus on Rawhide. Josh thankfully > > added it to the Rawhide kernel packages, and our systemd RPMs come > > with built-in suppor

Re: gross DNF bandwidth inefficiency if filesystem space limited

2015-07-30 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 02:56:48AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Radek Holy wrote: > > Known, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1220074. Should be > > fixed in dnf-1.0.2. > > I still don't understand why we don't just enable keepcache by default. Even > after a successful update/install,

Re: [HEADS UP] libgit2 and -glib version bump to 0.23.0 in f23 & rawhide

2015-07-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 15:58 +, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > Hi, > > I'm planning today to update libgit2[0] and libgit2-glib[1] in Fedora > 23 > and Fedora Rawhide to new version. API has changed, some functions > removed, > some has new/type changed parameters. Read more[2]. I believe you'll wan

Re: [HEADS UP] libgit2 and -glib version bump to 0.23.0 in f23 & rawhide

2015-07-30 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 03:58:09PM +, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > Hi, > > I'm planning today to update libgit2[0] and libgit2-glib[1] in Fedora 23 > and Fedora Rawhide to new version. API has changed, some functions removed, > some has new/type changed parameters. Read more[2]. > > Packages which n

Re: [HEADS-UP] Please test kdbus in Rawhide!

2015-07-30 Thread Harald Hoyer
On 30.07.2015 20:05, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Thu, 2015-07-30 at 19:57 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: >> Heya! >> >> I'd like to ask everybody to test kdbus on Rawhide. Josh thankfully >> added it to the Rawhide kernel packages, and our systemd RPMs come >> with built-in support, too now. If