Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

Hi, > I don't think the original question was all that great. If we were to > script the change to add the BRs, it would take time but it would > mostly be a one-time cost. Reducing buildroot time creation, network > bandwidth, and storage savings is a reduction over each new buildroot > insta

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-01-07)

- Original Message - > On Tue, 2015-01-13 at 15:58 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > The Fedora 21 mass rebuild took about 40 hours. ;) > > BTW, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_22_Mass_Rebuild is empty. > What are the goals of a mass rebuild now, given that we just had one > before F21 B

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-01-07)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dne 14.1.2015 v 00:24 Dennis Gilmore napsal(a): > On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 15:58:51 -0700 > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 15:50:06 -0700 > > Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > >> You forgot "too many packages?" There are 15842 packages in Fed

Automatic background downloading of package metadata

Hallo, I came to this list via Google while trying to find some information after having a rather unpleasant experience recently: I was engaged in a last-minute professional email exchange trying to beat a critical deadline while on a flaky tethered wireless connection when something (I think it w

GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

Hallo, there is one more thing which I found really annoying after upgrading to F21. I like to launch GUI applications from the command line (I know there is some debate on whether this habit makes me a target user of Fedora, but I am writing under the assumption that it might). Many GUI applica

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

Hello, On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Marcel Oliver wrote: > > Many GUI applications write garbage to either stdout or stderr, making > the terminal windows difficult to view and navigate. (...) > Some of the main culprints for me are nemo, evince, and okular; if I > am go looking, I can proba

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Marcel Oliver < m.oli...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > Some of the main culprints for me are nemo, evince, and okular; > The applications that you mention are parts of specific desktop environments. The messages that you see are not meant to be visible to the us

Re: Content of change announcements Was:F22 System Wide Change: RpmOstree - Server side composes and atomic upgrades

- Original Message - > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > >> Jaroslav, there is a lot more information on the actual wiki page. > >> Like the fact that this is only for particular opt-in new installs and > >> that yum/dnf/RPM can only operate in read-only mode on such

F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

= Proposed System Wide Change: GCC5 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GCC5 Change owner(s): Jakub Jelínek Switch GCC in Fedora 22 to 5.x.y, rebuild all packages with it. == Detailed Description == GCC 5 is currently in stage3, but in 3 days will move to stage4, in prerelease state with

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

Dne 14.1.2015 v 12:53 Jaroslav Reznik napsal(a): > = Proposed System Wide Change: GCC5 = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GCC5 > > Change owner(s): Jakub Jelínek > > Switch GCC in Fedora 22 to 5.x.y, rebuild all packages with it. > > == Detailed Description == > GCC 5 is currently in stag

F22 Self Contained Change: Gnome Shell - New Notifications

= Proposed Self Contained Change: Gnome Shell - New Notifications = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications Change owner(s): Florian Müllner Redesign the way in which notifications are shown and kept available in gnome- shell. == Detailed Description == The message

F22 Self Contained Change: Nautilus Improvements

= Proposed Self Contained Change: Nautilus Improvements = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Nautilus_Improvements Change owner(s): Carlos Soriano Tie up some of the loose ends that were leftover after the nautilus design refresh work that has happened a while ago. == Detailed Descriptio

F22 Self Contained Change: Wine to use mesa Direct3D

= Proposed Self Contained Change: Wine to use mesa Direct3D = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Wine_to_use_mesa_Direct3D Change owner(s): Igor Gnatenko Enhancing mesa and wine with Direct3D9 support will increase performance and reduce resource usage in applications which using D3D9 fram

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:53:18 +0100 Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: GCC5 = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GCC5 > > Change owner(s): Jakub Jelínek > > Switch GCC in Fedora 22 to 5.x.y, rebuild all packages with it. > > == Detailed Description == > GCC 5 is cur

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

Dne 13.1.2015 v 18:20 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): > Dne 13.1.2015 v 18:09 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): >> Dne 13.1.2015 v 17:54 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): > So lets try to find what is written in C/C++ by some different way. Is > that true, that every package in C/C++ compiled using gcc depends on > g

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 01:34:26PM +0100, Dan Horák wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:53:18 +0100 > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > > = Proposed System Wide Change: GCC5 = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GCC5 > > > > Change owner(s): Jakub Jelínek > > > > Switch GCC in Fedora 22 to 5.x.y,

Re: A little problem with dnf

- Original Message - > From: "Adrian Soliard" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 1:09:43 PM > Subject: Re: A little problem with dnf > > 2015-01-13 6:33 GMT-03:00 Radek Holy : > > - Original Message - > >> From: "Jan Zelený" >

Re: F22 Self Contained Change: Wine to use mesa Direct3D

Hey, On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 01:28:57PM +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Wine to use mesa Direct3D = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Wine_to_use_mesa_Direct3D > > Change owner(s): Igor Gnatenko > > Enhancing mesa and wine with Direct3D9 support will i

Re: F22 Self Contained Change: Gnome Shell - New Notifications

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 01:00:27PM +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Gnome Shell - New Notifications = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications > > Change owner(s): Florian Müllner > > Redesign the way in which notifications are shown

Re: F22 Self Contained Change: Gnome Shell - New Notifications

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 01:00:27PM +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >> = Proposed Self Contained Change: Gnome Shell - New Notifications = >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications >> >> Change owner(s): Florian

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:22:57AM +0100, Marcel Oliver wrote: > Hallo, > > there is one more thing which I found really annoying after upgrading > to F21. I like to launch GUI applications from the command line (I > know there is some debate on whether this habit makes me a target user > of Fedo

Meeting minutes for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2015-01-14)

#fedora-meeting: Env and Stacks (2015-01-14) Meeting started by hhorak at 12:01:10 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-01-14/env-and-stacks.2015-01-14-12

Re: F22 Self Contained Change: Wine to use mesa Direct3D

Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > Gallium Nine implements the d3d9 API with Gallium > internal API, which maps better to d3d9 than OpenGL. Does it pass D3D9 requests down to the graphics card where possible? David -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mail

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:53:18PM +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: GCC5 = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GCC5 > > Change owner(s): Jakub Jelínek > > Switch GCC in Fedora 22 to 5.x.y, rebuild all packages with it. > > == Detailed Description == > GCC 5 i

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

On 01/13/2015 06:01 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > that all being said. koji doesn't use any caching and will not use the > lvm plugin. we make every buildroot from scratch using a fully clean > environment to help with ensuring reproducability. You can cache and still preserve reproducability. What

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-01-07)

On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 01:53:02 -0600 Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > On Tue, 2015-01-13 at 15:58 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > The Fedora 21 mass rebuild took about 40 hours. ;) > > BTW, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_22_Mass_Rebuild is empty. > What are the goals of a mass rebuild now, given th

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 02:55:15PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:53:18PM +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > = Proposed System Wide Change: GCC5 = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GCC5 > > > > Change owner(s): Jakub Jelínek > > > > Switch GCC in

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 02:55:15PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-5/porting_to.html → 404 That will be added likely after the test mass rebuild with what we find during that. Jakub -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedor

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

- Original Message - > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 02:55:15PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-5/porting_to.html → 404 > > That will be added likely after the test mass rebuild with what we find > during that. Do you have any estimate when it will be done?

Re: F22 Self Contained Change: Wine to use mesa Direct3D

On 01/14/2015 06:28 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: [snip] * Contingency mechanism: Revert and try to do in next release I don't see this one happening. The patch set is large. Upstream has rejected it. The affected user base is small. I'm unconvinced right now that it's worth the time and effort

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > - Original Message - >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 02:55:15PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> > http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-5/porting_to.html → 404 >> >> That will be added likely after the test mass rebuild with what we find >

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 09:12:42AM -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > - Original Message - > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 02:55:15PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-5/porting_to.html → 404 > > > > That will be added likely after the test mass rebuild with w

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 02:24:29PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > - Original Message - > >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 02:55:15PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > >> wrote: > >> > http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-5/porting_to.html → 404 >

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 05:53:23 + (UTC) P J P wrote: > Hello Simo, > > > On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 2:29 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: > > Sorry this is false. You got enough emails telling you this > > change is undesirable, that's the definition of opposition > > and means you have no _consensus

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 09:12:42AM -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >> - Original Message - >> > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 02:55:15PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek >> > wrote: >> > > http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-5/porting_to.html → 404 >>

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

On 14 January 2015 at 14:31, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > Again, how is that different from F9, F11, F13, F15, F17, F19? Only a partial answer to your question, but one fairly significant change (as you know) compared to the GCC upgrades for those releases is moving from C89 to C11 as the default C sta

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-01-07)

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > - Original Message - >> On Tue, 2015-01-13 at 15:58 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> > The Fedora 21 mass rebuild took about 40 hours. ;) >> >> BTW, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_22_Mass_Rebuild is empty. >> What are the goals o

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 02:37:02PM +, Jonathan Underwood wrote: > On 14 January 2015 at 14:31, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > > Again, how is that different from F9, F11, F13, F15, F17, F19? > > Only a partial answer to your question, but one fairly significant > change (as you know) compared to the

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

On 14 January 2015 at 14:37, Jonathan Underwood wrote: > Only a partial answer to your question, but one fairly significant > change (as you know) compared to the GCC upgrades for those releases > is moving from C89 to C11 as the default C standard for the compiler Is there any easy way for humbl

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 02:44:03PM +, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 14 January 2015 at 14:37, Jonathan Underwood > wrote: > > Only a partial answer to your question, but one fairly significant > > change (as you know) compared to the GCC upgrades for those releases > > is moving from C89 to C11 a

[perl-Data-Flow] Specify all dependencies

commit fe850d568e8d59fb2c295c191fa53ee85f7f7c50 Author: Petr Písař Date: Wed Jan 14 15:46:28 2015 +0100 Specify all dependencies perl-Data-Flow.spec | 19 --- 1 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perl-Data-Flow.spec b/perl-Data-Flow.spec ind

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-01-07)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:48:16 +0100 Vít Ondruch wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dne 14.1.2015 v 00:24 Dennis Gilmore napsal(a): > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 15:58:51 -0700 > > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 13 Jan 20

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:57:59 +0100 Miroslav Suchý wrote: > On 01/13/2015 06:01 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > that all being said. koji doesn't use any caching and will not use > > the lvm plugin. we make every buildroot from scratch using a fully > >

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

>> > > http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-5/porting_to.html → 404 >> > >> > That will be added likely after the test mass rebuild with what we find >> > during that. >> >> Do you have any estimate when it will be done? F22 schedule is/will be pretty >> tight. We already have problem scheduling mass rebuild and

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

On 14 January 2015 at 14:31, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 05:53:23 + (UTC) > P J P wrote: > >> IMO, the ones opposing are those who fear their current >> setups/practices would break. Because they need remote 'root' access >> in their set-up. Which is a genuine use-case. And to su

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 03:05:09PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > > Well, if we want to turn Fedora into a collection of obsolete software > > rather than trying to lead progress, we don't have to update anything. > > I think that's a bit of an over reaction, ultimately F-22 is due to > branch on

Re: F22 Self Contained Change: Gnome Shell - New Notifications

On Wed, 2015-01-14 at 13:24 +, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon > wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 01:00:27PM +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > >> = Proposed Self Contained Change: Gnome Shell - New Notifications = > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki

Koji build root caching

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dne 14.1.2015 v 16:00 Dennis Gilmore napsal(a): > On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:57:59 +0100 > Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > > On 01/13/2015 06:01 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > >> that all being said. koji doesn't use any caching and will not use > >> the lvm plug

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 03:47:18PM +0100, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 02:44:03PM +, Richard Hughes wrote: > > On 14 January 2015 at 14:37, Jonathan Underwood > > wrote: > > > Only a partial answer to your question, but one fairly significant > > > change (as you know) compar

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

On 14 January 2015 at 14:47, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 02:44:03PM +, Richard Hughes wrote: >> On 14 January 2015 at 14:37, Jonathan Underwood >> wrote: >> > Only a partial answer to your question, but one fairly significant >> > change (as you know) compared to the GCC up

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-01-07)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dne 14.1.2015 v 15:53 Dennis Gilmore napsal(a): > On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:48:16 +0100 > Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > Dne 14.1.2015 v 00:24 Dennis Gilmore napsal(a): > >> On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 15:58:5

Re: F22 Self Contained Change: Gnome Shell - New Notifications

Jaroslav Reznik píše v St 14. 01. 2015 v 13:00 +0100: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Gnome Shell - New Notifications = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GnomeShell_NewNotifications > > Change owner(s): Florian Müllner > > Redesign the way in which notifications are shown and kept av

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-01-07)

- Original Message - > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:32 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > - Original Message - > >> On Tue, 2015-01-13 at 15:58 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> > The Fedora 21 mass rebuild took about 40 hours. ;) > >> > >> BTW, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_22_Mass_

Re: F22 Self Contained Change: Wine to use mesa Direct3D

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > On 01/14/2015 06:28 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > [snip] >> >> * Contingency mechanism: Revert and try to do in next release > > > I don't see this one happening. The patch set is large. Upstream has > rejected it. The affected user base

Re: F22 Self Contained Change: Gnome Shell - New Notifications

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:31:05AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Wed, 2015-01-14 at 13:24 +, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon > > wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 01:00:27PM +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > >> = Proposed Self Contained Ch

Re: Hundreds of bugzilla mails on one day

On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:43:46PM +0100, drago01 wrote: > Yeah I just delete those mails now days. Its just spam "F19 is EOL" is > not news that I need to get 1000 times. Right, clearly, that message is not really for _you_. It's for the people who reported the bug. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Pr

Invitation to DevConf.cz 2015

Hi, let me invite you to DevConf.cz 2015 [1] which will take place in Brno, Czech Republic on Feb 6-8. The third day of the conference will again be Fedora Day with a lot of Fedora-focused talks and discussions (and also with a lot of Fedora contributors around). You can find the list of Fedora-foc

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Jonathan Underwood < jonathan.underw...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 14 January 2015 at 14:47, Jakub Jelinek wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 02:44:03PM +, Richard Hughes wrote: > >> On 14 January 2015 at 14:37, Jonathan Underwood > >> wrote: > >> > Only a partia

How to contact Michale Cromeworth

Halle, I have got a mail from a guy which ask me for co-maintainership of the inady-mt package. Unfortunately, I have got the below error report on the try to contact him via mail. So I would like to ask how I can contact him via an alternative mail contact. Best Regards: Jochen Schmitt

Re: How to contact Michale Cromeworth

On 01/14/2015 10:42 AM, Jochen Schmitt wrote: I have got a mail from a guy which ask me for co-maintainership of the inady-mt package. Unfortunately, I have got the below error report on the try to contact him via mail. So I would like to ask how I can contact him via an alternative mail conta

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

Hi, > On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 8:01 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: > Ok, I state my opposition to without-password too inequivocably here. > Mostly because it is just the same as 'no', given there is no way, in a > regular install to seed a key into the root account. > > Except you have no mechani

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 05:05:50PM +, David Howells wrote: > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > > Switch GCC in Fedora 22 to 5.x.y, rebuild all packages with it. > > Does cross-gcc need to switch simultaneously? Some packages are built with > that, I believe. It is a different package, so it can s

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > Switch GCC in Fedora 22 to 5.x.y, rebuild all packages with it. Does cross-gcc need to switch simultaneously? Some packages are built with that, I believe. David -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:54:09 + (UTC) P J P wrote: >Hi, > > > On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 8:01 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: > > Ok, I state my opposition to without-password too inequivocably > > here. Mostly because it is just the same as 'no', given there is no > > way, in a regular install

Re: How to contact Michale Cromeworth

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:47:07AM -0600, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Hi, > > I'm here. I'm not sure why your e-mail failed. Could you try it again? When I call dig with your domain, I have to recornized, thatyour domain doesn't provides any MX records. I have tried to contact the homstmaster o

Re: How to contact Michale Cromeworth

On 01/14/2015 11:26 AM, Jochen Schmitt wrote: When I call dig with your domain, I have to recornized, thatyour domain doesn't provides any MX records. I have tried to contact the homstmaster of your domain without any response. It very important, that your domain provides any MX records because

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

> On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:54:09 + (UTC) > P J P wrote: > > > On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 8:01 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: > > > Ok, I state my opposition to without-password too inequivocably > > > here. Mostly because it is just the same as 'no', given there is no > > > way, in a regular install t

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

> On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 10:44 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: >> "Anaconda installer OR maybe OpenSSH package needs to create >> initial set of authentication keys for 'root' user." > > Sorry, but what is the point of this operation, wrt auth with keys issue ? Well, it can be used it to exp

Re: How to contact Michale Cromeworth

Once upon a time, Jochen Schmitt said: > When I call dig with your domain, I have to recornized, thatyour domain > doesn't provides any MX records. I have tried to contact the > homstmaster of your domain without any response. Look at your results; you did not get that result in your dig. You go

Re: How to contact Michale Cromeworth

On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:27:51 -0600 Michael Cronenworth wrote: > On 01/14/2015 11:26 AM, Jochen Schmitt wrote: > > When I call dig with your domain, I have to recornized, thatyour > > domain doesn't provides any MX records. I have tried to contact the > > homstmaster of your domain without any res

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 02:24:29PM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > > I was thinking exactly that, mass rebuild is scheduled for Jan 30th > > according to the schedule [1] with branching 10 days or so later. That > > is only two weeks away. With statements like "The release will happen > > probably

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

> * Contingency mechanism: Revert to older gcc, mass rebuild everything again > * Contingency deadline: Before release This is an invasive contingency mechanism, requiring retesting a lot of functionality; the contingency deadline for this (i.e. when we need to be comfortable that the revert wil

Re: How to contact Michale Cromeworth

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:37:22AM -0600, Chris Adams wrote: > Look at your results; you did not get that result in your dig. You got tahk you for your information, but the error message was created by a relay host located by my ISP. > failure while trying to resolve cchtml.com/MX. It works f

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:34:22 -0500 (EST) Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:54:09 + (UTC) > > P J P wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 8:01 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: > > > > Ok, I state my opposition to without-password too i

Re: F22 System Wide Change: GCC5

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:51:24PM -0500, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > * Contingency mechanism: Revert to older gcc, mass rebuild everything again > > * Contingency deadline: Before release > > This is an invasive contingency mechanism, requiring retesting a lot of > functionality; the contingenc

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

> On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:34:22 -0500 (EST) > Miloslav Trmač wrote: > > > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:54:09 + (UTC) > > > P J P wrote: > > > > I'd request all(those who are opposing) too describe their > > > > requirements in the etherpad page above. > > > > > > Being able to authenticate as ro

Re: How to contact Michale Cromeworth

On 01/14/2015 11:52 AM, Jochen Schmitt wrote: I have retried to send the message without any success. But I have tried to maske an DNS query directly agins the Google DNS and have find out, that the hostname, which you have specified as a mail excahnge is a CNAME. But this is not allowed for MX

Re: How to contact Michale Cromeworth

Am 14.01.2015 um 18:26 schrieb Jochen Schmitt: It very important, that your domain provides any MX records because this is absolutly require to send mails to your domain bullshit - fix your mailserver there is no need for a MX record read the SMTP RFC the only reason when you need a MX is if

Re: How to contact Michale Cromeworth

Once upon a time, Jochen Schmitt said: > I have retried to send the message without any success. But I have tried to > maske an DNS query directly agins the Google DNS and have find out, that the > hostname, which you have specified as a mail excahnge is a CNAME. But this is > not > allowed for M

Self Introduction and Review Request: Sinny Kumari

Hi List, I just pushed a package for review at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1182261 and would like some review on it. I work at Red Hat India and contribute to KDE in my free time. I blog at http://sinny.io/ and also give talks at local FOSS events (the last one was on basic RPM pac

Re: How to contact Michale Cromeworth

On 01/14/2015 12:39 PM, Chris Adams wrote: MX->CNAME is against RFCs but in common enough real-world usage that anything that doesn't handle it is generally considered broken. However, that isn't the case for cchtml.com; the MX points to cchtml.com, not mail.cchtml.com, and cchtml.com has an A r

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

On 14 Jan 2015, at 12:34, Miloslav Trmač wrote: I'd request all(those who are opposing) too describe their requirements in the etherpad page above. Being able to authenticate as root right after installation would be the requirement for me. Let’s be precise here; “able to authenticate as ro

Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-01-14)

=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2015-01-14) === Meeting started by mattdm at 18:01:50 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-01-14/fesco.2015-01-14-18.01.log.html . Meeting summary ---

Split DNS broken again - test case?

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1161232 It seems like this is the 3rd or 4th time that this functionality has been broken, leaving anyone who needs to simultaneously connect to both VPN and other non-public (e.g. home network) resources up a creek. Would this be worth of a test case?

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Set sshd(8) PermitRootLogin=no

On Wed, 2015-01-14 at 16:54 +, P J P wrote: >Hi, > > > On Wednesday, 14 January 2015 8:01 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: > > Ok, I state my opposition to without-password too inequivocably > > here. Mostly because it is just the same as 'no', given there is > > no way, in a regular install to see

Re: How to contact Michale Cromeworth

Am 14.01.2015 um 19:39 schrieb Chris Adams: > MX->CNAME is against RFCs but in common enough real-world usage that > anything that doesn't handle it is generally considered broken. Well, one of the biggest German freemailers refused to send emails for recipient domains using "MX is CNAME" when usi

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

Alexander Ploumistos wrote: >On the other hand, if every message that was not meant for the user >were suppressed, it would be very difficult to troubleshoot such a >program, should an actual bug come along, because you would need a >different build to get useful output in the console or a logging

Unplanned Fedora Outage 2015-01-14 21:30

Fedora had a 35 minutes off the internet outage starting around 21:30 UTC. This was due to my pushing an incomplete DNS table out causing named to crash when it got to starting the file getfedora.com and not finding it. Problem was backed out and changed but because of a bootstrap issue of needing

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:09 AM, Björn Persson wrote: > Alexander Ploumistos wrote: > >On the other hand, if every message that was not meant for the user > >were suppressed, it would be very difficult to troubleshoot such a > >program, should an actual bug come along, because you would need a >

Re: Koji build root caching

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:40:35 +0100 Vít Ondruch wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dne 14.1.2015 v 16:00 Dennis Gilmore napsal(a): > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:57:59 +0100 > > Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > > > > On 01/13/2015

Re: Split DNS broken again - test case?

On Wed, 2015-01-14 at 14:29 -0600, Ian Pilcher wrote: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1161232 > > It seems like this is the 3rd or 4th time that this functionality has > been broken, leaving anyone who needs to simultaneously connect to both > VPN and other non-public (e.g. home netw

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:36:27AM +0200, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:09 AM, Björn Persson wrote: > > > Alexander Ploumistos wrote: > > >On the other hand, if every message that was not meant for the user > > >were suppressed, it would be very difficult to troubleshoo

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

Am 14.01.2015 um 23:36 schrieb Alexander Ploumistos: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:09 AM, Björn Persson wrote: Alexander Ploumistos wrote: >On the other hand, if every message that was not meant for the user >were suppressed, it would be very difficult to troubleshoot such a >progr

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

Alexander Ploumistos wrote: >On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:09 AM, Björn Persson >wrote: > >> Alexander Ploumistos wrote: >> >On the other hand, if every message that was not meant for the user >> >were suppressed, it would be very difficult to troubleshoot such a >> >program, should an actual bug com

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

Am 15.01.2015 um 00:13 schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 14.01.2015 um 23:36 schrieb Alexander Ploumistos: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:09 AM, Björn Persson wrote: Alexander Ploumistos wrote: >On the other hand, if every message that was not meant for the user >were suppressed, it would be v

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Björn Persson wrote: > If they don't have such a build-time option, then what I'm saying is > that if one were to suppress the messages, then one should do it with a > run-time option, not a build-time option. Then no different build would > be needed and debuggin

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

Am 15.01.2015 um 00:29 schrieb Alexander Ploumistos: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Björn Persson mailto:Bjorn@rombobjörn.se>> wrote: If they don't have such a build-time option, then what I'm saying is that if one were to suppress the messages, then one should do it with a run-ti

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:35:02AM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 15.01.2015 um 00:29 schrieb Alexander Ploumistos: > >On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Björn Persson >> wrote: > > > >If they don't have such a build-time option, then what I'm saying is > >th

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

Am 15.01.2015 um 00:36 schrieb Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek: the real problem with that crap messages is that if you are about writing a longer command line and the in background mode started GUI app decides to blow out it's helpful messages they appear unasked in the middle of your input and so

Re: Remove gcc, gcc-c++ and make from minimal build root

On 01/14/2015 04:38 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: And it seems that this is the number of packages written in C++: $ repoquery --disablerepo=* --enablerepo=rawhide --source --whatrequires 'libstdc++.so.6*' | sort -u | sed -r 's/(.*)-.*-.*/\1/' | uniq | wc -l 2396 I'd like to point out at this place, t

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