Re: Entire process's environment attached to bugzillas by ABRT

2014-12-01 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 08:29:27PM -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Lars Seipel wrote: > > > > > > There's also OpenNebula (^ONE_) and Vmware (^VI_) doing the same. Seems > > to be pretty common with virt and cloud stuff. Apart from that I can't > > think of

Re: How many developers Fedora has

2014-12-01 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 29.11.2014 v 12:56 Pádraig Brady napsal(a): > On 29/11/14 09:44, Ali AlipourR wrote: >> Hi >> Is there any statistics about How many developers Fedora has? > Considering just packages: > https://www.openhub.net/p/fedora-packages > > Of course there are many more behind the scenes of the program

rawhide report: 20141201 changes

2014-12-01 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon Dec 1 05:15:03 UTC 2014 Broken deps for i386 -- [3Depict] 3Depict-0.0.16-3.fc22.i686 requires libmgl.so.7.2.0 [NetworkManager-openconnect] NetworkManager-openconnect-0.9.8.4-4.fc22.i686 requires libopen

F-21 Branched report: 20141201 changes

2014-12-01 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Mon Dec 1 07:15:03 UTC 2014 Broken deps for armhfp -- [avro] avro-mapred-1.7.5-9.fc21.noarch requires hadoop-mapreduce avro-mapred-1.7.5-9.fc21.noarch requires hadoop-client [openstack-nova] openstac

How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Alec Leamas
While we're on it (in the form "how many devs do we have"): How hard/impossible/unsuitable would it be to get a usable estimate on the # of users, per package? Here are so many problems, technical, policy, resources, (others?). That said, feedback in the form "How many users uses/installs my p

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:26 schrieb Alec Leamas: While we're on it (in the form "how many devs do we have"): How hard/impossible/unsuitable would it be to get a usable estimate on the # of users, per package? Here are so many problems, technical, policy, resources, (others?). That said, feedback in

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Alec Leamas
On 01/12/14 12:29, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 01.12.2014 um 12:26 schrieb Alec Leamas: Lets face it: I envy those who can measure the usage from a download counter or so. Can we have something similar? no - you have no clue which mirror was used without explicit tracking in YUM/DNF and given t

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:36 schrieb Alec Leamas: On 01/12/14 12:29, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 01.12.2014 um 12:26 schrieb Alec Leamas: Lets face it: I envy those who can measure the usage from a download counter or so. Can we have something similar? no - you have no clue which mirror was used wi

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:38:24PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 01.12.2014 um 12:36 schrieb Alec Leamas: > >On 01/12/14 12:29, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> > >>Am 01.12.2014 um 12:26 schrieb Alec Leamas: > > > >>>Lets face it: I envy those who can measure the usage from a download > >>>counter

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 01.12.2014 um 12:57 schrieb Pierre-Yves Chibon: On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:38:24PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 01.12.2014 um 12:36 schrieb Alec Leamas: On 01/12/14 12:29, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 01.12.2014 um 12:26 schrieb Alec Leamas: Lets face it: I envy those who can measure the

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Alec Leamas
On 01/12/14 12:57, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:38:24PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 01.12.2014 um 12:36 schrieb Alec Leamas: On 01/12/14 12:29, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 01.12.2014 um 12:26 schrieb Alec Leamas: Lets face it: I envy those who can measure the usage

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 01:05:46PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 01.12.2014 um 12:57 schrieb Pierre-Yves Chibon: > >On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:38:24PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > >>Am 01.12.2014 um 12:36 schrieb Alec Leamas: > >>>On 01/12/14 12:29, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 01.12

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Matthias Runge
On 01/12/14 13:10, Alec Leamas wrote: >> So we come back to the question: is any number better than no number >> at all? >> Even to get a trend? >> > Yes, I think so. Even a bad number can be used for trends and comparisons. > > That said, let's not limit this discussion to the "download counter"

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Jan Zelený
On 1. 12. 2014 at 12:26:07, Alec Leamas wrote: > While we're on it (in the form "how many devs do we have"): How > hard/impossible/unsuitable would it be to get a usable estimate on the # > of users, per package? > > Here are so many problems, technical, policy, resources, (others?). That > said,

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/01/2014 01:10 PM, Alec Leamas wrote: That said, let's not limit this discussion to the "download counter" concept. There are other approaches, perhaps some kind of reporting app which send reports on installed sw to a central server, like the abrt thing. Or something else, which I cannot i

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Damian Ivanov
>> That said, let's not limit this discussion to the "download counter" >> concept. There are other approaches, perhaps some kind of reporting app >> which send reports on installed sw to a central server, like the abrt >> thing. Or something else, which I cannot imagine. Well, if you target "end u

Update to Parole 0.6.x stable series - completed port to GTK+3

2014-12-01 Thread poma
Gentlemen packagers, resting on your laurels? Update to Parole 0.6.x stable series - completed port to GTK+3 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1169240 poma -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduc

[POC-change] Fedora packages point of contact updates

2014-12-01 Thread nobody
Change in package status over the last 168 hours 2 packages were orphaned perl-Object-Accessor [el6, el5] was orphaned by psabata Interface to create per object accessors https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packa

Single Application

2014-12-01 Thread poma
QtSingleApplication http://doc.qt.digia.com/solutions/4/qtsingleapplication/ Does GTK+ has such functionality? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: ModemManager & MBIM & QMI & USB_ModeSwitch

2014-12-01 Thread poma
Till, let me help you a bit to finally engage latest USB_ModeSwitch and data package in Fedora 21. - Refer to proper usb_modeswitch-data version https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1169234 - Add missed REFERENCE file & refer to proper usb_modeswitch version https://bugzilla.redhat.c

Re: Single Application

2014-12-01 Thread drago01
On Monday, December 1, 2014, poma wrote: > > QtSingleApplication > http://doc.qt.digia.com/solutions/4/qtsingleapplication/ > > Does GTK+ has such functionality? > > > Yes https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkApplication.html -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://adm

Re: Update to Parole 0.6.x stable series - completed port to GTK+3

2014-12-01 Thread Mathieu Bridon
Hi, On Mon, 2014-12-01 at 07:39 +0100, poma wrote: > Gentlemen packagers, resting on your laurels? You should try being less snarky in your future communications, it usually leads to better results. > Update to Parole 0.6.x stable series - completed port to GTK+3 > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/sh

Re: Single Application

2014-12-01 Thread drago01
On Monday, December 1, 2014, drago01 wrote: > > > On Monday, December 1, 2014, poma > wrote: > >> >> QtSingleApplication >> http://doc.qt.digia.com/solutions/4/qtsingleapplication/ >> >> Does GTK+ has such functionality? >> >> >> Yes https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkApplication.html >

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Alec Leamas
On 01/12/14 14:34, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/01/2014 01:10 PM, Alec Leamas wrote: That said, let's not limit this discussion to the "download counter" concept. There are other approaches, perhaps some kind of reporting app which send reports on installed sw to a central server, like the abrt

Re: Entire process's environment attached to bugzillas by ABRT

2014-12-01 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 01:43:39PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 07:39:47AM +0100, Jakub Filak wrote: > > The discussion I mentioned above was primarily about OpenStack (but the > > participants also expressed concerns about sending 'environ' to Bugzilla > > at all), wh

Re: Update to Parole 0.6.x stable series - completed port to GTK+3

2014-12-01 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 07:39:14 +0100 poma wrote: > > Gentlemen packagers, resting on your laurels? > > Update to Parole 0.6.x stable series - completed port to GTK+3 > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1169240 This is a duplicate of: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1065457

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Alec Leamas
On 01/12/14 15:20, Jan Zelený wrote: On 1. 12. 2014 at 14:40:44, Alec Leamas wrote: On 01/12/14 13:56, Jan Zelený wrote: On 1. 12. 2014 at 12:26:07, Alec Leamas wrote: While we're on it (in the form "how many devs do we have"): How hard/impossible/unsuitable would it be to get a usable estimat

Re: timedatex replacing systemd-timedated for NTP packages

2014-12-01 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 01:19:48PM -0500, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > - Original Message - > > One suggestion was to install it as a dependency of the NTP packages. > > Is this a good idea? Should this first go through the Fedora change > > process or at least be documented somewhere? > > I th

Re: timedatex replacing systemd-timedated for NTP packages

2014-12-01 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 01.12.14 15:55, Miroslav Lichvar (mlich...@redhat.com) wrote: > Beside the selection of the NTP service that should enabled/disabled, > there are some minor differences in the functionality. For instance, > when setting the time, timedatex compensates for the time spent in the > polkit aut

Re: Entire process's environment attached to bugzillas by ABRT

2014-12-01 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 03:18:36PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 01:43:39PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 07:39:47AM +0100, Jakub Filak wrote: > > > The discussion I mentioned above was primarily about OpenStack (but the > > > par

[cpanspec/f19] Escape slashes in filters (#544738)

2014-12-01 Thread Petr Šabata
Summary of changes: e5efed4... Escape slashes in filters (#544738) (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.f

Fedora 21 Final Go/No-Go Meeting, Thursday, December 04 @ 17:00 UTC

2014-12-01 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
Join us on irc.freenode.net in #fedora-meeting-2 for this important meeting, wherein we shall determine the readiness of the Fedora 21. Thursday, December 04, 2014 17:00 UTC (12 AM EST, 9 AM PST, 18:00 CET) "Before each public release Development, QA and Release Engineering meet to determine if t

Re: Entire process's environment attached to bugzillas by ABRT

2014-12-01 Thread Lubomir Rintel
On Sun, 2014-11-30 at 13:43 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 07:39:47AM +0100, Jakub Filak wrote: > > The discussion I mentioned above was primarily about OpenStack (but the > > participants also expressed concerns about sending 'environ' to Bugzilla > > at all), where peo

Re: Entire process's environment attached to bugzillas by ABRT

2014-12-01 Thread Lubomir Rintel
On Mon, 2014-12-01 at 08:59 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 08:29:27PM -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Lars Seipel wrote: > > > > > > > > > There's also OpenNebula (^ONE_) and Vmware (^VI_) doing the same. Seems > > > to be p

Review swap

2014-12-01 Thread Jerry James
A new version of sympy is available, with a new dependency. Who would like to swap reviews? I need this one: python-fastcache: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1166919 Let me know what I can review for you in exchange. Thanks, -- Jerry James http://www.jamezone.org/ -- devel maili

Re: Review swap

2014-12-01 Thread Antonio Trande
On 12/01/2014 07:28 PM, Jerry James wrote: > A new version of sympy is available, with a new dependency. Who would like > to swap reviews? I need this one: > > python-fastcache: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1166919 > > Let me know what I can review for you in exchange. Thanks, > T

Re: Review swap

2014-12-01 Thread Jerry James
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Antonio Trande wrote: > Taken. > Please, review this package > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1114737. Taken, thanks! -- Jerry James http://www.jamezone.org/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailma

Re: How many developers Fedora has

2014-12-01 Thread Ken Dreyer
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:59 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 29.11.2014 v 12:56 Pádraig Brady napsal(a): >> On 29/11/14 09:44, Ali AlipourR wrote: >>> Hi >>> Is there any statistics about How many developers Fedora has? >> Considering just packages: >> https://www.openhub.net/p/fedora-packages >> >> O

Re: Review swap

2014-12-01 Thread Jerry James
CVC4 has a new version with a new dependency. How about yet another review swap, this time for abc: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1169492 Let me know what I can review in exchange. Thanks, -- Jerry James http://www.jamezone.org/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.or

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 1 December 2014 at 05:37, Matthias Runge wrote: > On 01/12/14 13:10, Alec Leamas wrote: > > >> So we come back to the question: is any number better than no number > >> at all? > >> Even to get a trend? > >> > > Yes, I think so. Even a bad number can be used for trends and > comparisons. > > >

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 1 December 2014 at 05:05, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 01.12.2014 um 12:57 schrieb Pierre-Yves Chibon: > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:38:24PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >>> Am 01.12.2014 um 12:36 schrieb Alec Leamas: >>> On 01/12/14 12:29, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 01.1

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Adam Jackson
On Mon, 2014-12-01 at 14:34 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > We've had something of this kind many years go. It was called smolt and > had proven to be worthless and the origin of heated controversials. smolt did hardware stats, not software. It "proved to be useless" merely because it was badly

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Mon, 2014-12-01 at 14:34 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >> We've had something of this kind many years go. It was called smolt and >> had proven to be worthless and the origin of heated controversials. > > smolt did hardware stats, not softw

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 04:07:45PM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: > good, it would have been very useful indeed. And it was controversial > because you can't wipe your nose on fedora-devel without someone > accusing you of a conspiracy to destroy Linux. We're actively working to improve that last pa

Orphaned packages in rawhide

2014-12-01 Thread opensource
The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life Note: If y

Orphaned packages in branched

2014-12-01 Thread opensource
The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life Note: If y

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Alec Leamas
On 01/12/14 22:45, Matthew Miller wrote: On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 04:07:45PM -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: good, it would have been very useful indeed. And it was controversial because you can't wipe your nose on fedora-devel without someone accusing you of a conspiracy to destroy Linux. We're ac

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:57:47PM +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:38:24PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > > Am 01.12.2014 um 12:36 schrieb Alec Leamas: > > >On 01/12/14 12:29, Reindl Harald wrote: > > >> > > >>Am 01.12.2014 um 12:26 schrieb Alec Leamas: > > > > > >

Re: Fedora 21 Final RC1 dual boot

2014-12-01 Thread Christopher
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 1:24 PM, John Reiser wrote: > So, I'm willing to bet it's more of an Anaconda problem. I'm just not sure >> how to even begin tracking it down. ... >> > > File a bugzilla report, and attach each file in /var/log/anaconda > as a separate text/plain attachment. The storage.

Power consumption with Fedora

2014-12-01 Thread john.tiger
Obviously priority is now on F21 bugs but looking beyond that I want to work with someone more knowledgeable on power consumption - it stinks on Fedora 20. OSX on mac air gets 11-12 hrs Fedora gets 4 Chrome OS on Chromebook gets 9-10 Fedora gets about 6 Tried powertop - see slight improveme

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

2014-12-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 1 December 2014 at 17:57, john.tiger wrote: > Obviously priority is now on F21 bugs but looking beyond that > > I want to work with someone more knowledgeable on power consumption - it > stinks on Fedora 20. > > OSX on mac air gets 11-12 hrs Fedora gets 4 > Chrome OS on Chromebook gets 9-10

Re: Entire process's environment attached to bugzillas by ABRT

2014-12-01 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 08:29:27PM -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Lars Seipel wrote: > > > > > > There's also OpenNebula (^ONE_) and Vmware (^VI_) doing the same. Seems > > to be pretty common with virt and cloud stuff. Apart from that I can't > > think of

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Ben Cotton
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:36 AM, Alec Leamas wrote: > Feedback why this is impossible isn't really helpful here, most of us are > aware of the limitations. Given that we agree on the overall goals (?), > useful input is what can be done, and how. I don't think it's fair to say we agree on the over

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

2014-12-01 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On 1 December 2014 at 19:57, john.tiger wrote: > Obviously priority is now on F21 bugs but looking beyond that > > I want to work with someone more knowledgeable on power consumption - it > stinks on Fedora 20. > > OSX on mac air gets 11-12 hrs Fedora gets 4 > Chrome OS on Chromebook gets 9-10 Fe

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 09:46:39PM -0500, Ben Cotton wrote: > That's not to say that there aren't useful questions that could be > answered, but so far they haven't been asked. I think if you start > with the right question, it will be easier to find a route to the > answer. Okay, this seems like

Re: How many users does Fedora have?

2014-12-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > Okay, this seems like a good start. What _are_ the right questions? * Which packages are part of the default installation for various products or spins that users actively remove? * Which packages are not part of the installation t

Re: Power consumption with Fedora

2014-12-01 Thread Nathanael d. Noblet
On Mon, 2014-12-01 at 17:57 -0700, john.tiger wrote: > Obviously priority is now on F21 bugs but looking beyond that > > I want to work with someone more knowledgeable on power consumption - it > stinks on Fedora 20. > > OSX on mac air gets 11-12 hrs Fedora gets 4 > Chrome OS on Chromebook gets