Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Florian Weimer
On 11/16/2014 06:31 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 11/15/2014 11:41 PM, Johannes Lips wrote: I don't really understand the issue at all. We have a "no-phone-home" and "no-spy" policy in Fedora. I don't think we do. Anaconda, for example, phones home even before you select the installation

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Nikos Roussos
> > This doesn't seem relevant to this discussion, unless Fedora browsers > > are automatically, and without the user's explicit knowledge or > > permission, navigating to Google's search engine, which (AFAICT) they > > are not. > > Same happens with these tiles. No data is sen

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 11:37 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > I don't consider my IP address a call to home. [...] Even Gnome checks my > IP's location to fix my timezone. Not by default, you have to enable this explicitly. > > Second, a user can easily accidentally click on ad, since it is mixed > >

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Nikos Roussos
On 11/17/2014 11:47 AM, Mathieu Bridon wrote: > On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 11:37 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: >> I don't consider my IP address a call to home. [...] Even Gnome checks my >> IP's location to fix my timezone. > > Not by default, you have to enable this explicitly. True, as you also have

rawhide report: 20141117 changes

2014-11-17 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Mon Nov 17 05:15:04 UTC 2014 Broken deps for i386 -- [3Depict] 3Depict-0.0.16-3.fc22.i686 requires libmgl.so.7.2.0 [Sprog] Sprog-0.14-27.fc20.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.0) [audtty] audtt

Re: Geting back a package to a previous version

2014-11-17 Thread Ismael Olea
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Kalev Lember wrote: > Yes Thanks! -- Ismael Olea http://olea.org/diario/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread drago01
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> Well, how to put it ... Mozilla.com's role in fedora has many times been >> subject to controvercies, but doubts have always been ruled ;) > > They always get special exceptions for any and all Fedora policies that > u

Enable tapping by default

2014-11-17 Thread Mustafa Muhammad
Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click by tapping is off by default. Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but tapping is useful for us (people who use it), I don't think it bothers the others that much, and is on by default in most operating sy

F-21 Branched report: 20141117 changes

2014-11-17 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Mon Nov 17 07:15:03 UTC 2014 Broken deps for armhfp -- [audtty] audtty-0.1.12-9.fc20.armv7hl requires libaudclient.so.2 [authhub] authhub-0.1.2-3.fc19.armv7hl requires libjson.so.0 [avro] avro-mapred-

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-17 Thread Björn Persson
Mustafa Muhammad wrote: > Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click > by tapping is off by default. > Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but > tapping is useful for us (people who use it), I don't think it bothers > the others that much, and is

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-17 Thread Nikos Roussos
On 11/17/2014 01:49 PM, Björn Persson wrote: > Mustafa Muhammad wrote: >> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click >> by tapping is off by default. >> Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but >> tapping is useful for us (people who use it), I do

Re: Suspend/resume broken on Lenovo laptops (Fedora 21 beta)

2014-11-17 Thread Corey Sheldon
It wasn't UEFI or bios on my dell -- was a issue with my pre-built luks Crypt & systemd I let the installer create the LUKSLVM no more issues Corey W Sheldon Freelance IT Consultant, Multi-Discipline Tutor 310.909.7672 www.facebook.com/1stclassmobileshine On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 10:04 PM, poma

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-17 Thread Mustafa Muhammad
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Björn Persson wrote: > Mustafa Muhammad wrote: >> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click >> by tapping is off by default. >> Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but >> tapping is useful for us (people who use

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:05:35 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: No. We are talking about the tiles. I didn't see anyone suggesting we remove Google search. It's like the tiles feature crossed a line, which is far from truth. Firefox is really not set up with privacy as a high priority. Some ba

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-17 Thread Björn Persson
Mustafa Muhammad wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Björn Persson wrote: > > Perhaps demonstrate that it won't cause the rest of us to click on > > random things by accident, instead of just thinking so? > > I didn't say that, I said, "I don't think it bothers the others that much". Then

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.11.2014 um 14:41 schrieb Bruno Wolff III: Firefox is really not set up with privacy as a high priority. Some bad things it does from a privacy perspective are: If you type a name in the url bar and send, if the name dosn't match a domain google is contacted. (And it is google even if you

Re: Removing packages that have broken dependencies in F21 tree

2014-11-17 Thread Kalev Lember
On 11/13/2014 02:20 PM, Kalev Lember wrote: > To avoid that, I'll file a FESCo ticket next Monday to approve dropping > the following packages, unless they get fixed first: I've filed the ticket now: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1368 In addition, 3 broken dependencies have pending fixes.

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-17 Thread drago01
On Monday, November 17, 2014, Björn Persson wrote: > Mustafa Muhammad > wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Björn Persson > wrote: > > > Perhaps demonstrate that it won't cause the rest of us to click on > > > random things by accident, instead of just thinking so? > > > > I didn't say t

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:41:22AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:05:35 +0200, > Nikos Roussos wrote: > > > >No. We are talking about the tiles. I didn't see anyone suggesting we > >remove Google search. It's like the tiles feature crossed a line, which > >is far from

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 15:06:21 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.11.2014 um 14:41 schrieb Bruno Wolff III: Firefox is really not set up with privacy as a high priority. Some bad things it does from a privacy perspective are: If you type a name in the url bar and send, if the name dosn't ma

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.11.2014 um 15:28 schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 15:06:21 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.11.2014 um 14:41 schrieb Bruno Wolff III: The referer header is sent by default. It isn't obvious how to disable that please don't propose disable the Referer globally a samr

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-17 Thread Björn Persson
drago01 wrote: > Things are not black and white there is a "disable touchpad while typing" > option which would solve your problem while not making the impression that > something is broken like it is now. Possibly, but there is also the risk of accidentally tapping when you only want to move t

[389-devel] please review: Ticket 47958 - Memory leak in password admin if the admin entry does not exist

2014-11-17 Thread Mark Reynolds
https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/47958/ https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/47958/0001-Ticket-47958-Memory-leak-in-password-admin-if-the-ad.patch -- 389-devel mailing list 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-devel

[POC-change] Fedora packages point of contact updates

2014-11-17 Thread nobody
Change in package status over the last 168 hours 26 packages were orphaned - altermime [el6, epel7, el5] was orphaned by pingou Alter MIME-encoded mailpacks https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/package/altermime co

Re: Suspend/resume broken on Lenovo laptops (Fedora 21 beta)

2014-11-17 Thread poma
On 17.11.2014 13:53, Corey Sheldon wrote: > It wasn't UEFI or bios on my dell -- was a issue with my pre-built luks > Crypt & systemd I let the installer create the LUKSLVM no more issues > > Corey W Sheldon > Freelance IT Consultant, Multi-Discipline Tutor > 310.909.7672 > www.facebook.com/1stc

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-17 Thread Mustafa Muhammad
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Björn Persson wrote: > drago01 wrote: >> Things are not black and white there is a "disable touchpad while typing" >> option which would solve your problem while not making the impression that >> something is broken like it is now. > > Possibly, but there is also

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:32:39PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Also having the Fedora policy be clear and unambiguous. Who would > deal with that? FESCO? The Board (or whatever it's called these days)? FESCo for the technical side, board for high-level guidance. -- Matthew Miller Fed

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 02:25:48PM +0100, Lars Seipel wrote: > So Mozilla has recently gone live with its advertisement tiles on the > "New Tab" page. Only newly created profiles get to see this stuff. So, here's a (genuine) question: how is this behavior different, from a Fedora policy point of

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-17 Thread drago01
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Björn Persson wrote: > drago01 wrote: >> Things are not black and white there is a "disable touchpad while typing" >> option which would solve your problem while not making the impression that >> something is broken like it is now. > > Possibly, but there is also

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 02:25:48PM +0100, Lars Seipel wrote: > So Mozilla has recently gone live with its advertisement tiles on the > "New Tab" page. Only newly created profiles get to see this stuff. I started seeing the advertisement tiles on my existing profile. -- devel mailing list devel@li

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 06:31:39AM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >I don't really understand the issue at all. > We have a "no-phone-home" and "no-spy" policy in Fedora. *Is* there a formal, written policy somewhere? (And, while related to the advertising issue, this seems separate in many ways.)

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/17/2014 04:14 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 02:25:48PM +0100, Lars Seipel wrote: So Mozilla has recently gone live with its advertisement tiles on the "New Tab" page. Only newly created profiles get to see this stuff. So, here's a (genuine) question: how is this beha

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/17/2014 09:35 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: On 11/16/2014 06:31 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 11/15/2014 11:41 PM, Johannes Lips wrote: I don't really understand the issue at all. We have a "no-phone-home" and "no-spy" policy in Fedora. I don't think we do. It's should be to be part of

[FREEZE REMINDER] Fedora 21 Final Freeze is tomorrow

2014-11-17 Thread Stephen Gallagher
As the $SUBJECT says, tomorrow we go into the two-week Final Freeze for Fedora 21. That means that you need to have all of the packages that you want to see land in Fedora 21 submitted for stable by the end of the day *today*. After that point, we will initiate the Final Freeze Policy, where you wi

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-17 Thread Felix Miata
drago01 composed on 2014-11-17 16:53 (UTC+0100): > Björn Persson wrote: >> Possibly, but there is also the risk of accidentally tapping when you >> only want to move the pointer but your finger happens to tremble a >> little. (That's not about Parkinson's disease. Even to perfectly healthy >> pe

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:08:36PM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >>So Mozilla has recently gone live with its advertisement tiles on the > >>"New Tab" page. Only newly created profiles get to see this stuff. > >So, here's a (genuine) question: how is this behavior different, from a > >Fedora polic

RFC: xserver update strategy in F21+

2014-11-17 Thread Adam Jackson
Since the modular X repackaging in FC5, we have limited X server updates such that the ABI does not change. F20 shipped with xserver 1.14.4, for example, so we might update it to 1.14.7 but not to 1.15.0. With the reduced driver set in F21 it's now much more reasonable to push updates to older re

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Gerald B. Cox
People keep bringing up policy violations, but when asked you either get "crickets" or the subject slightly changed. The only policy that I could find that might apply would be Fedora Forbidden Items and if you read it, you'll find

Re: Join to Mozilla Location Service in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Martin Stransky wrote: > as you may know [0] Firefox in Fedora [1] is using Mozilla Location > service [2] as a location provider instead of the Google one. > > I'd like to ask you to join the project, install the Mozilla Stumbler > application [3] and help to improve the location accuracy. The M

Re: Suggested Freeze Policy change for Fedora 22+

2014-11-17 Thread Stephen Gallagher
On Sun, 2014-11-09 at 23:45 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matthew Miller wrote: > > Kevin, I'm missing something here. You're right that the QA hero runs > > are done to prevent slips, but I'm not seeing the logical connection > > between what Stephen suggests and _banning_ them. The idea is to m

Re: RFC: xserver update strategy in F21+

2014-11-17 Thread Simone Caronni
On 17 November 2014 20:06, Adam Jackson wrote: > Since the modular X repackaging in FC5, we have limited X server updates > such that the ABI does not change. F20 shipped with xserver 1.14.4, for > example, so we might update it to 1.14.7 but not to 1.15.0. With the > reduced driver set in F21

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Nikos Roussos wrote: > And a user may accidentally start searching on the Google search box > before she realizes that she sends data to Google "as she types" (that's > how you get recommendations). That's also a questionable "feature". Such a text box should not send anything before you confirm

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Florian Weimer wrote: > And I'm sorry to say that I think the UI is still confusing and may not > achieve the goal of obtaining informed consent. For example, do users realize that using the retrace server means sending the backtrace to the server, so they have effectively uploaded it even if th

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread DJ Delorie
> That's also a questionable "feature". Such a text box should not send > anything before you confirm it. Perhaps as part of the firewall installation step, the user could be given a list of sites that their PC may "call home" to - including official repos - and let them opt-in or opt-out accord

Re: RFC: xserver update strategy in F21+

2014-11-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Jackson wrote: > One thing we might have to play by ear is the interaction with binary > drivers. The nvidia legacy driver, for instance, does not always have > builds available for arbitrarily new servers, which means updating the X > server might change you to an nvidia driver that no longe

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread drago01
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:32 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> That's also a questionable "feature". Such a text box should not send >> anything before you confirm it. > > Perhaps as part of the firewall installation step, the user could be > given a list of sites that their PC may "call home" to - inclu

Re: RFC: xserver update strategy in F21+

2014-11-17 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said: > IMHO, we should not let proprietary drivers hold us hostage that way. We do > not and should not support them. We don't even ship them. So we should just > upgrade X if the software we ship is ready for it. If some proprietary > driver breaks, its users ge

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread DJ Delorie
> Ugh .. sorry but that's the worst suggestion so far. No image the user > goes to http://addons.mozilla.org/ to install addons ... it won't > work. (just one random example but you get the idea). I imagine the user would change the start page to about:blank, then open the firewall, then everythi

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 17 November 2014 13:57, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > Ugh .. sorry but that's the worst suggestion so far. No image the user > > goes to http://addons.mozilla.org/ to install addons ... it won't > > work. (just one random example but you get the idea). > > I imagine the user would change the start p

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread drago01
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:57 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> Ugh .. sorry but that's the worst suggestion so far. No image the user >> goes to http://addons.mozilla.org/ to install addons ... it won't >> work. (just one random example but you get the idea). > > I imagine the user would change the start

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.11.2014 um 22:16 schrieb drago01: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:57 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: Ugh .. sorry but that's the worst suggestion so far. No image the user goes to http://addons.mozilla.org/ to install addons ... it won't work. (just one random example but you get the idea). I imagin

Orphaned Packages in rawhide (2014-11-17)

2014-11-17 Thread opensource
The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life Note: If y

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread DJ Delorie
> Not every user understands the connection between "website does not > work" -> "firewall configuration" True, which means that we have to use words that they *do* understand. For extra coolness, a per-user firewall and some way of popping up a query dialog when they violate a firewall rule. "

Orphaned Packages in branched (2014-11-17)

2014-11-17 Thread opensource
The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life Note: If y

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.11.2014 um 22:25 schrieb DJ Delorie: Not every user understands the connection between "website does not work" -> "firewall configuration" True, which means that we have to use words that they *do* understand forget it really, after working more than a decade with every sort of users

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Gerald B. Cox
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > forget it Yup, that really perfectly sums it up. The introduction of ads by Mozilla breaks no Fedora policy, period, end of story. Notwithstanding the fact that they are unobtrusive and ridiculously simple to disable. The only viable re

Re: RFC: xserver update strategy in F21+

2014-11-17 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/17/2014 12:54 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said: IMHO, we should not let proprietary drivers hold us hostage that way. We do not and should not support them. We don't even ship them. So we should just upgrade X if the software we ship is ready for it. If some prop

Re: Suspend/resume broken on Lenovo laptops (Fedora 21 beta)

2014-11-17 Thread Corey Sheldon
uname -mr ? Corey W Sheldon Freelance IT Consultant, Multi-Discipline Tutor 310.909.7672 www.facebook.com/1stclassmobileshine On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:21 AM, poma wrote: > On 17.11.2014 13:53, Corey Sheldon wrote: > > It wasn't UEFI or bios on my dell -- was a issue with my pre-built luks >

Re: Suspend/resume broken on Lenovo laptops (Fedora 21 beta)

2014-11-17 Thread valent.turko...@gmail.com
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Jonathan Corbet wrote: > On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:28:27 -0500 > "Jared K. Smith" wrote: > >> > Currently there are reports that Fedora 21 beta fails to resume from >> > suspend-to-ram on X1 Carbon >> >> Update the UEFI firmware on your X1 Carbon, and that will proba

Re: Suspend/resume broken on Lenovo laptops (Fedora 21 beta)

2014-11-17 Thread valent.turko...@gmail.com
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 4:01 PM, valent.turko...@gmail.com > wrote: >> Just a quick update - i got suspend/resume to once randomly work in >> LXDE environment, but after that again everytime it failed. >> >> Then I tried using "debugging

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-17 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote: > Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click > by tapping is off by default. > Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but > tapping is useful for us (people who use it), I don't think

Re: Suspend/resume broken on Lenovo laptops (Fedora 21 beta)

2014-11-17 Thread valent.turko...@gmail.com
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Corey Sheldon wrote: > It wasn't UEFI or bios on my dell -- was a issue with my pre-built luks > Crypt & systemd I let the installer create the LUKSLVM no more issues Sheldon how have you tracked down this issue to pre-build luks and systemd? I'm also using pre

Re: Suspend/resume broken on Lenovo laptops (Fedora 21 beta)

2014-11-17 Thread poma
On 17.11.2014 22:53, Corey Sheldon wrote: > uname -mr ? > man 1 uname ... -r, --kernel-release print the kernel release ... -m, --machine print the machine hardware name > Corey W Sheldon > Freelance IT Consultant, Multi-Discipline Tutor > 310.9

Re: Suspend/resume broken on Lenovo laptops (Fedora 21 beta)

2014-11-17 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:09 PM, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 4:01 PM, valent.turko...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> Just a quick update - i got suspend/resume to once randomly work in >>> LXDE environment, but

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Björn Persson wrote: > Possibly, but there is also the risk of accidentally tapping when you > only want to move the pointer but your finger happens to tremble a > little. (That's not about Parkinson's disease. Even to perfectly healthy > people it's difficult to hold absolutely still.) With tappi

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-17 Thread Nikos Roussos
On 11/18/2014 12:12 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote: >> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click >> by tapping is off by default. >> Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but >> tapping

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Mustafa Muhammad wrote: > Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click > by tapping is off by default. > Several bug reports concerning this were closed as NOTABUG, but > tapping is useful for us (people who use it), I don't think it bothers > the others that much, and is

Re: RFC: xserver update strategy in F21+

2014-11-17 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: My opinion is strongly in line with Kevin, but Chris has a good point. > However, isn't it possible to have both. I'm not familiar with the > proprietary drivers other than knowing that the NVidia one is available > through rpmfusion. (Out of t

Re: RFC: xserver update strategy in F21+

2014-11-17 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/17/2014 04:16 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: 1) proprietary drivers depend on the kernel Aren't there two parts, the kernel driver and the X driver? From the earlier discussion, it sounds like some part depends on the X server ABI. 2) yes people do build from source but indirectly via th

Fedora 21 Final Change Freeze

2014-11-17 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, as the Fedora 21 schedule[1] states the Final change freeze is upon us. As of now only updates that fix an accepted Final Blocker bug or Freeze exception will be allowed in. we are at the post beta stage of release, so the Pre-release[3] sta

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Rejy M Cyriac
On 11/17/2014 09:23 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 02:25:48PM +0100, Lars Seipel wrote: >> So Mozilla has recently gone live with its advertisement tiles on the >> "New Tab" page. Only newly created profiles get to see this stuff. > > I started seeing the advertisement tiles o

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-17 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:16:26AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > On 11/18/2014 12:12 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote: > >> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click > >> by tapping is off by default. > >> Se

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-17 Thread Felix Miata
Peter Hutterer composed on 2014-11-18 14:55 (UTC+1000): > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:16:26AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: >> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote: >> >> on by default in most operating systems >> >> and Linux distributions. >> Well, in practice most

Re: Suspend/resume broken on Lenovo laptops (Fedora 21 beta)

2014-11-17 Thread Corey Sheldon
http://paste.fedoraproject.org/151650/87454141 Valient that is my single drive dual crypt setup MADE BY installer no issues Corey W Sheldon Freelance IT Consultant, Multi-Discipline Tutor 310.909.7672 www.facebook.com/1stclassmobileshine On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wr

Re: Enable tapping by default

2014-11-17 Thread Mattias Ellert
tis 2014-11-18 klockan 00:16 +0200 skrev Nikos Roussos: > On 11/18/2014 12:12 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:27:53PM +0300, Mustafa Muhammad wrote: > >> Hi, I am testing Fedora 21 beta and -like all previous versions- click > >> by tapping is off by default. > >> Several b

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Nikos Roussos wrote: > On 11/16/2014 08:24 PM, Christopher wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Mustafa Muhammad >> mailto:mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> This doesn't seem relevant to this discussion, unless Fedora browsers >> are automatically

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

2014-11-17 Thread Lars Seipel
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:05:35PM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > True, as you also have to explicitly click a tile to send data to > Mozilla. Well, I don't think the act of hiding/closing an ad (by clicking on the 'x' attached to it) can be reasonably interpreted as informed consent. Yet, it is ex

Re: rawhide report: 20141114 changes

2014-11-17 Thread Petr Pisar
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:47:59AM -0700, Jerry James wrote: > On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Fedora Rawhide Report > wrote: > > perl-5.20.1-313.fc22 > > > > * Thu Nov 13 2014 Petr Pisar - 4:5.20.1-313 > > - Freeze epoch at perl-Pod-Checker and perl-Pod-Usage (bug #1163490)

Re: RFC: xserver update strategy in F21+

2014-11-17 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
Lo! Adam Jackson wrote on 17.11.2014 20:06: > > With that in mind, I ask for feedback on how we'd actually like that to > work. The kernel rebase policy seems like a pretty reasonable model: > F21 would stay on 1.16.x until there's an upstream 1.17.1 release, and > (if F20 were to be affected by