Re: Improving the state of ARM

2014-06-11 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
While I certainly think clang should be fixed on ARM, it's important to note: * clang doesn't work on i686/x86_64 either *[1] In both cases you have to hack the standard RPM flags, otherwise compilation fails. Therefore all arguments about ARM being dropped as a primary architecture for not

Re: NetworkManager-0.9.95 update in rawhide

2014-06-11 Thread Igor Gnatenko
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:19 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 21:37 +0400, Igor Gnatenko wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:34 PM, Thomas Haller wrote: >> > On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 21:25 +0400, Igor Gnatenko wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> After latest update i can't use my wifi in NM

Re: [fedora-arm] ExcludeArch tracker doesn't appear to be effective

2014-06-11 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 09:32:54PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > I don't think the current state of the ARM port is good enough. Are you actually using the ARM ports? I'm using the 32 bit ARM primary on two machines and the aarch64 secondary on a third, and they work well. If there are specifi

Re: [fedora-arm] ExcludeArch tracker doesn't appear to be effective

2014-06-11 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 12:07:23AM +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:52 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > > [...] > > So moving on from that why don't you feel comfortable pointing to > > the ARM port? > > The question wasn't really directed at me but adding my 2 cents ... > basica

Re: ExcludeArch tracker doesn't appear to be effective

2014-06-11 Thread Andrew Haley
On 10/06/14 19:28, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Fedora is supposed to provide a consistent experience across primary > architectures. Having a subset of our packages fail to build on ARM > means that's not true, and the current state of affairs clearly violates > point 8 of the architecture promotio

EPEL epel beta report: 20140611 changes

2014-06-11 Thread EPEL Beta Report
Compose started at Wed Jun 11 08:15:02 UTC 2014 New package: mingw-gmp-5.1.1-3.el7 Cross-compiled GNU arbitrary precision library New package: mingw-gnutls-3.3.2-2.el7 MinGW GnuTLS TLS/SSL encryption library New package: mingw-gstreamer1-plugins-base-1.3.2-1.el7

Re: Qt packages necessaries to develop for Android

2014-06-11 Thread Eric Smith
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Hunting for patents is one thing (I wouldn't recommend it either), but > looking for obviously patent-encumbered stuff (like MP3 codecs) is another > . Unfortunately it is generally not obvious what things are "obviously patent-encumbered".

Re: help needed to find a bug in zorba (or gcc 4.9)

2014-06-11 Thread Martin Gieseking
Am 11.06.2014 08:32, schrieb Petr Spacek: Unfortunately, it appears that that is not the only bug. Valgrind shows at least two more bugs, both also tied into SimpleStore and Store somehow, but I'm out of time to look at them. Yes, the remaining bugs are hard to isolate. They always occur in co

Re: Improving the state of ARM

2014-06-11 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 08:48 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > While I certainly think clang should be fixed on ARM, it's important > to note: > > * clang doesn't work on i686/x86_64 either *[1] Just a reminder, while the llvm package is nominally mine, my interest in it extends exactly as f

Re: rawhide report: 20140611 changes

2014-06-11 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi John, > ptpd-2.3.0-2.fc21 > - > * Tue Jun 10 2014 Jon Kent - 2.3.0-2 > - restricted Arch to i686 and x86_64 > > * Sun Jun 08 2014 Jon Kent - 2.3.0-1 > - Updates to ptpd 2.3.0 I'm wondering why you've restricted ptpd to just x86? It builds fine on all the other architectures (I

F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ReplaceYumWithDNF Note: This is Fedora 22 proposal! Change owner(s): Aleš Kozumplík Make DNF/Yum4 the new default packaging tool in F22. == Detailed Description == DNF was forked from Yum in January

[Bug 1108091] New: perl-CGI-4.02 is available

2014-06-11 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1108091 Bug ID: 1108091 Summary: perl-CGI-4.02 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-CGI Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee: jples...@redhat.com

[Bug 1108093] New: perl-CPANPLUS-0.9152 is available

2014-06-11 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1108093 Bug ID: 1108093 Summary: perl-CPANPLUS-0.9152 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-CPANPLUS Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee: ppi...@redha

[Bug 1108094] New: perl-Date-Easter-1.21 is available

2014-06-11 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1108094 Bug ID: 1108094 Summary: perl-Date-Easter-1.21 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-Date-Easter Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee: dd...@cp

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 02:44:10PM +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > * package 'dnf-yum-compat-command' is installed by default. It obsoletes Yum > and provides its own /usr/bin/yum, a short script that redirects > to /usr/bin/dnf with an appropriate warning message that DNF is > the preferred pac

[Bug 999033] perl-Regexp-Grammars-1.034 is available

2014-06-11 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=999033 Upstream Release Monitoring changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|perl-Regexp-Grammars-1.033 |perl-Regexp-Grammars-1.034

Re: ssh problem with pkgs.fedoraproject.org

2014-06-11 Thread Jonathan Underwood
I too am now seeing exactly this problem I'll email Kevin my IP address too... unless there's a more generic infra email address I should send to? On 7 June 2014 19:31, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Sat, 7 Jun 2014 12:24:42 -0600 > Jerry James wrote: > > > I can't do a git pull on my packages fr

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > This is kind of sentimental, and I think possibly Seth would not have liked > to have a big deal made of it, but... I guess I'm going to anyway. I would > like to keep the "yum" name in remembrance of his contributions. This also > se

[Bug 1108107] New: perl-Text-CSV_XS-1.09 is available

2014-06-11 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1108107 Bug ID: 1108107 Summary: perl-Text-CSV_XS-1.09 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-Text-CSV_XS Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee: psab...@

[Bug 1032581] perlbrew-0.69 is available

2014-06-11 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1032581 Upstream Release Monitoring changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|perlbrew-0.68 is available |perlbrew-0.69 is availabl

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11)

2014-06-11 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2014-06-11 17:00 UTC' Links to all tickets belo

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ReplaceYumWithDNF > > Note: This is Fedora 22 proposal! > > Change owner(s): Aleš Kozumplík > > Make DNF/Yum4 the new default packaging tool in

Re: Make fails with fedora build options set

2014-06-11 Thread drago01
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2014-05-02 at 07:07 +0200, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote: >> On Thu 01 May 2014 01:34:43 PM CEST Jon Kent wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > I'm trying to get a GnuBatch package into Fedora, which is currently >> > being reviewed. One of the po

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.06.2014 16:08, schrieb drago01: > We should really just do the right think and properly obsolete yum > without a compact package ... keeping yum serves no purpose. As for > Matthew's mail ... I don't think people will forgot about Seth because > yum is gone if that's the case it would be rea

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 11.06.2014 16:08, schrieb drago01: >> We should really just do the right think and properly obsolete yum >> without a compact package ... keeping yum serves no purpose. As for >> Matthew's mail ... I don't think people will forgot about

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.06.2014 16:20, schrieb drago01: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 11.06.2014 16:08, schrieb drago01: >>> We should really just do the right think and properly obsolete yum >>> without a compact package ... keeping yum serves no purpose. As for >>> Matthew's m

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 11.06.2014 16:20, schrieb drago01: >> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Reindl Harald >> wrote: >>> >>> Am 11.06.2014 16:08, schrieb drago01: We should really just do the right think and properly obsolete yum without a compa

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11)

2014-06-11 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/11/2014 09:36 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the > FESCo meeting Wednesday at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on > irc.freenode.net. > > To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at > htt

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 04:08:09PM +0200, drago01 wrote: > We should really just do the right think and properly obsolete yum > without a compact package ... keeping yum serves no purpose. As for > Matthew's mail ... I don't think people will forgot about Seth because > yum is gone if that's the ca

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11)

2014-06-11 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:37:54AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > I forgot to open a ticket over the last week, but the Server WG has > identified that completion of its core task (the Server Role API) is > likely to need a little extra time. This is a blocker to release, so > we figured it woul

Slipping F21 (was: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11))

2014-06-11 Thread Kalev Lember
On 06/11/2014 04:37 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > I forgot to open a ticket over the last week, but the Server WG has > identified that completion of its core task (the Server Role API) is > likely to need a little extra time. This is a blocker to release, so > we figured it would be best to ask F

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Jan Zelený
On 11. 6. 2014 at 09:02:29, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > This is kind of sentimental, and I think possibly Seth would not have > > liked > > to have a big deal made of it, but... I guess I'm going to anyway. I would > > like to keep the

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Jan Zelený
On 11. 6. 2014 at 08:52:34, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 02:44:10PM +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > * package 'dnf-yum-compat-command' is installed by default. It obsoletes > > Yum and provides its own /usr/bin/yum, a short script that > > redirects to /usr/bin/dnf with an ap

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: > The transition period is one reason why we want to keep the name dnf. We'd > basically like to keep current yum around for users that have various > scripts > and stuff depending on it so they have some time to migrate to dnf. > I would s

Re: [fedora-arm] ExcludeArch tracker doesn't appear to be effective

2014-06-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 09:14:24AM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > This ought to improve greatly with 64 bit ARM, where Red Hat are > pushing for everything to support UEFI booting and ACPI for hardware > description. A single upstream open source kernel should [eventually] > be able to boot o

Re: Slipping F21 (was: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11))

2014-06-11 Thread Richard Hughes
On 11 June 2014 15:56, Kalev Lember wrote: > With my Workstation WG hat on, I'd very much like to avoid pushing back > the schedule. We already skipped one whole release; if we slip F21 it's > going to negatively impact how users perceive the Workstation, and make > it harder for Workstation devel

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11)

2014-06-11 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 06/11/2014 09:36 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the > > FESCo meeting Wednesday at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on > > irc.freenode.net. > > > > To conver

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11)

2014-06-11 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to > this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco, > e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during > the open floor topic. Note that

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 05:21:30PM +0200, Jan Zelený wrote: > On 11. 6. 2014 at 08:52:34, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 02:44:10PM +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > > * package 'dnf-yum-compat-command' is installed by default. It > obsoletes > > > Yum and provides its own /usr/

Re: Slipping F21 (was: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11))

2014-06-11 Thread Jiri Eischmann
Kalev Lember píše v St 11. 06. 2014 v 16:56 +0200: > On 06/11/2014 04:37 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > I forgot to open a ticket over the last week, but the Server WG has > > identified that completion of its core task (the Server Role API) is > > likely to need a little extra time. This is a bl

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.06.2014 17:37, schrieb Chuck Anderson: > Have puppet, chef, ansible, salt, etc. been taught how to use "dnf" to > install packages? I think it would be a shame to force all this > software to do s/yum/dnf/ or to have to conditionally code for these > differences based on OS release or the p

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.06.2014 17:41, schrieb Jiri Eischmann: > +1, we've already skipped one release and we just can't delay > significantly more. Fedora is known as a fast-moving distribution. A > large portion of our user base is using Fedora just for that reason. Do > we really want to make even more of them s

Re: Slipping F21 (was: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11))

2014-06-11 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Richard Hughes" > To: "Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop" > > Cc: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 6:28:06 PM > Subject: Re: Slipping F21 (was: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting

Re: ssh problem with pkgs.fedoraproject.org

2014-06-11 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:02:08 +0100 Jonathan Underwood wrote: > I too am now seeing exactly this problem I'll email Kevin my IP > address too... unless there's a more generic infra email address I > should send to? Usually the best thing would be to open a infrastructure ticket. I've hopefu

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-11 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 11.06.2014 17:41, schrieb Jiri Eischmann: >> +1, we've already skipped one release and we just can't delay >> significantly more. Fedora is known as a fast-moving distribution. A >> large portion of our user base is using Fedora just for

Re: ssh problem with pkgs.fedoraproject.org

2014-06-11 Thread Jonathan Underwood
On 11 June 2014 16:50, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:02:08 +0100 > Jonathan Underwood wrote: > > > I too am now seeing exactly this problem I'll email Kevin my IP > > address too... unless there's a more generic infra email address I > > should send to? > > Usually the best thi

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-11 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (Sorry for double-reply; forgot to copy both lists) On 06/11/2014 10:56 AM, Kalev Lember wrote: > On 06/11/2014 04:37 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> I forgot to open a ticket over the last week, but the Server WG >> has identified that completion o

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-11 Thread Aleksandar Kurtakov
- Original Message - > From: "Reindl Harald" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 6:44:09 PM > Subject: Re: Slipping F21 > > > Am 11.06.2014 17:41, schrieb Jiri Eischmann: > > +1, we've already skipped one release and we just can't delay > > significantly

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-11 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:51 PM, drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 11.06.2014 17:41, schrieb Jiri Eischmann: >>> +1, we've already skipped one release and we just can't delay >>> significantly more. Fedora is known as a fast-moving distribution. A >>>

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-11 Thread Jiri Eischmann
Reindl Harald píše v St 11. 06. 2014 v 17:44 +0200: > Am 11.06.2014 17:41, schrieb Jiri Eischmann: > > +1, we've already skipped one release and we just can't delay > > significantly more. Fedora is known as a fast-moving distribution. A > > large portion of our user base is using Fedora just for t

Re: Slipping F21 (was: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11))

2014-06-11 Thread Haïkel
My personal opinion is that we ought to try not disrupting the release schedule. If some features miss the release train, it could wait 6 monthq (and, I disagree with dropping the whole server products). Fedora.Next is a big change in our model, our priority is to release F21 and get some feedbacks

Re: [fedora-arm] ExcludeArch tracker doesn't appear to be effective

2014-06-11 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 12:07:23AM +0200, drago01 wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:52 PM, Peter Robinson >> wrote: >> > [...] >> > So moving on from that why don't you feel comfortable pointing to >> > the ARM port? >> >> The

Re: ssh problem with pkgs.fedoraproject.org

2014-06-11 Thread Jerry James
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Usually the best thing would be to open a infrastructure ticket. > > I've hopefully fixed your IP too now tho. ;) This kind of problem is just going to keep happening to those of us with dynamic IP addresses from large ISPs. Plus, since there

Re: ssh problem with pkgs.fedoraproject.org

2014-06-11 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 11 June 2014 10:04, Jerry James wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Usually the best thing would be to open a infrastructure ticket. > > > > I've hopefully fixed your IP too now tho. ;) > > This kind of problem is just going to keep happening to those of us > with

Re: ssh problem with pkgs.fedoraproject.org

2014-06-11 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Jerry James said: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Usually the best thing would be to open a infrastructure ticket. > > > > I've hopefully fixed your IP too now tho. ;) > > This kind of problem is just going to keep happening to those of us > with dynam

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mercredi 11 juin 2014 à 11:37 -0400, Chuck Anderson a écrit : > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 05:21:30PM +0200, Jan Zelený wrote: > > On 11. 6. 2014 at 08:52:34, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 02:44:10PM +0200, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > > > * package 'dnf-yum-compat-command' is i

rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-11 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 17:56 +0200, drago01 wrote: > Oh and xserver really .. I am the one that gets complaints from users > that I can't fix because of our ancient x11 stack. I'm not intrinsically _opposed_ to rebasing X in F20. But it's not something we've done in any previous Fedora, and ther

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-11 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 17:57 +0200, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > Reindl Harald píše v St 11. 06. 2014 v 17:44 +0200: > > Am 11.06.2014 17:41, schrieb Jiri Eischmann: > > > +1, we've already skipped one release and we just can't delay > > > significantly more. Fedora is known as a fast-moving distribution

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:25:31AM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >Hi > >On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Jan ZelenA 1/2 wrote: > > The transition period is one reason why we want to keep the name dnf. > We'd > basically like to keep current yum around for users that have va

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Pádraig Brady
On 06/11/2014 04:41 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 11.06.2014 17:37, schrieb Chuck Anderson: >> Have puppet, chef, ansible, salt, etc. been taught how to use "dnf" to >> install packages? I think it would be a shame to force all this >> software to do s/yum/dnf/ or to have to conditionally code

Re: rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-11 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qua, 2014-06-11 at 12:09 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 17:56 +0200, drago01 wrote: > > > Oh and xserver really .. I am the one that gets complaints from users > > that I can't fix because of our ancient x11 stack. > > I'm not intrinsically _opposed_ to rebasing X in F20.

Orphaned package: emacs-common-muse

2014-06-11 Thread Jonathan Underwood
Dear All, I have just orphaned the emacs-common-muse package as I don't use it, and it has been dead upstream for a few years. This package also FTBFS during the last F21 mass rebuild. I checked in a fix to enable it to build (verified with a mock build) before orphaning the package but didn't pu

Re: rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-11 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 17:19 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Qua, 2014-06-11 at 12:09 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > > On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 17:56 +0200, drago01 wrote: > > > > > Oh and xserver really .. I am the one that gets complaints from users > > > that I can't fix because of our ancient x11

Re: rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-11 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 17:56 +0200, drago01 wrote: > >> Oh and xserver really .. I am the one that gets complaints from users >> that I can't fix because of our ancient x11 stack. To add some context the feature that I am asking for is workin

Re: Slipping F21 (was: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11))

2014-06-11 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > My personal opinion is that we ought to try not disrupting the release > schedule. > If some features miss the release train, it could wait 6 monthq (and, > I disagree with dropping the whole server products). > Fedora.Next is a big change in our model, our priority i

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-06-11 15:02 GMT+02:00 Rahul Sundaram : > I strongly agree with this for practical reasons. There is no good > rationale for moving away from yum as the name of the command except some > of the command line changes which happened with yum anyway (download only > was added and later removed fo

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-06-11 16:08 GMT+02:00 drago01 : > That makes no sense. First of all if it obsoletes yum it will get > pulled in during upgrades and imo it *should*. We don't really want to > end up in a situation where half the users > are using the default packing tool while the other half uses the old one.

[ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21 v2

2014-06-11 Thread Till Maas
The following packages are orphaned or did not build for two releases and will be retired when Fedora (F21) is branched, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11)

2014-06-11 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:35:16AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to > > this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco, > > e-mail me directly, or bring it up

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Miloslav Trmač
2014-06-11 17:20 GMT+02:00 Jan Zelený : > Also, dnf > > needs to drop all the legacy options before the transition (ie) pick > erase > > or remove (preferably the latter) etc rather than retain all the > > compatibility options. > > The transition period is one reason why we want to keep the name

Re: rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-11 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qua, 2014-06-11 at 12:40 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 17:19 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: > > On Qua, 2014-06-11 at 12:09 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > > > On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 17:56 +0200, drago01 wrote: > > > > > > > Oh and xserver really .. I am the one that gets compla

Re: Fedora 21 Mass rebuild update

2014-06-11 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 23:49:05 +0100 Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Ter, 2014-06-10 at 17:40 -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 23:24:41 +0100 > > Sérgio Basto wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Sáb, 2014-06-07 at 08:51 -0500, Dennis

Re: [fedora-arm] ExcludeArch tracker doesn't appear to be effective

2014-06-11 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 18:03:35 +0200 drago01 wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Richard W.M. Jones > wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 12:07:23AM +0200, drago01 wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:52 PM, Peter Robinson > >> wrote: > >> >

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread DJ Delorie
Forcing the users to type a different command name to get exactly the same functionality only serves to annoy the user. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-06-11 14:07 (GMT-0400) DJ Delorie composed: Forcing the users to type a different command name to get exactly the same functionality only serves to annoy the user. And in this particular case, the change is from a nice single finger word it's a two-hander, three finger. -- "The wise

Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2014-06-12 16:00 UTC)

2014-06-11 Thread James Antill
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC meeting Thursday at 2014-06-12 16:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. Local time information (via. rktime): 2014-06-12 09:00 Thu US/Pacific PDT 2014-06-12 12:00 Thu US/Eastern EDT 2014-06-12 1

Re: [fedora-arm] ExcludeArch tracker doesn't appear to be effective--- how to improve ARM Fedora

2014-06-11 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/10/2014 04:12 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: So at the moment there's around 15,000 source packages in Fedora mainline and you're getting depressed over exactly 24 of them? I'm not sure how 24 packages is providing a inconsistent experience. Fedora simply must support ARM because it ensures futu

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/11/2014 11:20 AM, Jan Zelený wrote: The transition period is one reason why we want to keep the name dnf. We'd basically like to keep current yum around for users that have various scripts and stuff depending on it so they have some time to migrate to dnf. I think this is a mistake---if d

Re: [fedora-arm] ExcludeArch tracker doesn't appear to be effective--- how to improve ARM Fedora

2014-06-11 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Przemek Klosowski said: > Fedora simply must support ARM because it ensures future viability. > The progress in ARM hardware platforms is amazing---ARM device sales > overtook x86 in 2010 [1] and of course the total number of ARM > processors in the wild exceeds x86 by orders of

Re: rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-11 Thread David Airlie
> To add some context the feature that I am asking for is working DRI3 + > present ... with mesa 10.2 > it gives us GLX_EXT_buffer_age which finally fixes tearing issues in > mutter that some user are experiencing > without using workarounds like forcing the compositor to always redraw > the whole

Re: rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-11 Thread David Airlie
> > > To add some context the feature that I am asking for is working DRI3 + > > present ... with mesa 10.2 > > it gives us GLX_EXT_buffer_age which finally fixes tearing issues in > > mutter that some user are experiencing > > without using workarounds like forcing the compositor to always redraw

Re: rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-11 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:18 PM, David Airlie wrote: >> >> > To add some context the feature that I am asking for is working DRI3 + >> > present ... with mesa 10.2 >> > it gives us GLX_EXT_buffer_age which finally fixes tearing issues in >> > mutter that some user are experiencing >> > without us

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-11 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Reindl Harald [11/06/2014 17:44] : > > um F20 has Kernel 3.14, recent mesa, KDE 4.13 soon, recent LibreOffice > and so on - what are you missing that justifies "move move, go on move!" Perl 5.20 was released in May but hasn't landed in Fedora yet (and won't until we've branched off F21 from rawh

Re: Slipping F21

2014-06-11 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:14:41PM +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > * Reindl Harald [11/06/2014 17:44] : > > > > um F20 has Kernel 3.14, recent mesa, KDE 4.13 soon, recent LibreOffice > > and so on - what are you missing that justifies "move move, go on move!" > > Perl 5.20 was released in May but

Re: [fedora-arm] ExcludeArch tracker doesn't appear to be effective--- how to improve ARM Fedora

2014-06-11 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/11/2014 03:09 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Przemek Klosowski said: Fedora simply must support ARM because it ensures future viability. The progress in ARM hardware platforms is amazing---ARM device sales overtook x86 in 2010 [1] and of course the total number of ARM processors

Re: rfc: xserver rebase in F20 (was Re: Slipping F21)

2014-06-11 Thread Simone Caronni
Hello, On 11 June 2014 19:11, Sérgio Basto wrote: > > > Hi, why not begin by a xserver rebase in copr ? > > > > Personally, because I don't feel like doing the work twice. But if > > someone else wants to, sure, go for it. > > I could do it, also think about do it for eclipse-swt , but my probl

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread Mike Chambers
On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 14:18 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2014-06-11 14:07 (GMT-0400) DJ Delorie composed: > > > Forcing the users to type a different command name to get exactly the > > same functionality only serves to annoy the user. > > And in this particular case, the change is from a nice

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Replace Yum With DNF

2014-06-11 Thread James Hogarth
On 11 June 2014 23:31, Mike Chambers wrote: > > Still trying to figure out why initials for a name (if decide not gonna > continue to use the *yum* name) was decided, instead of at least a > different name/word that makes sense at least haha > > > In addition to the user confusion for the command

Re: Make fails with fedora build options set

2014-06-11 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 16:11 +0200, drago01 wrote: > >> Another (relatively common) problem is the parallelization (-j4) > >> tripping the makefile up. I.e. dependencies for some targets are > >> incomplete and config.h is not yet generated when they execute. > > > > Any time this turns out to be t

Re: [fedora-arm] ExcludeArch tracker doesn't appear to be effective

2014-06-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:29:41PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Ok, I was entirely unaware of that, and it does change things. Thanks > for letting me know. I'll look into whether it's practical to generate a > list of all the existing ExcludeArch packages and automatically check > whether t

Re: [fedora-arm] ExcludeArch tracker doesn't appear to be effective

2014-06-11 Thread Jerry James
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > That's 60. In addition, the following packages are ExclusiveArch: in > such a way that ARM is left out but PPC support is claimed: > > gprolog > mono-bouncycastle > nant > pvs-sbcl > xsupplicant Oh, sbcl grew ARM support yesterday. Nice!

new dbus-1.8.4-1.fc21

2014-06-11 Thread Colin Walters
Hi, I finally rebased dbus to the latest stable release in rawhide. I tested it lightly by upgrading a F20 cloud image to rawhide, but didn't get a chance to play around with it on a desktop system. If you see any issues, don't hesitate to file a bug. Thanks! -- devel mailing list devel@lists

Re: F21 System Wide Change: Fedora 21 Make 4.0 Update

2014-06-11 Thread Omair Majid
* Jaroslav Reznik [2014-04-14 08:32]: > = Proposed System Wide Change: Fedora 21 Make 4.0 Update = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/F21Make40 > == Detailed Description == > The purpose of this update is to synchronize Fedora with the most recent Make > release. The contingency for this

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] Retiring packages for Fedora 21 v2

2014-06-11 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Wednesday, 11 June 2014 at 18:57, Till Maas wrote: > The following packages are orphaned or did not build for two > releases and will be retired when Fedora (F21) is branched, unless someone > adopts them. If you know for sure that the package should be retired, please > do > so now with a prop

Re: Fedora 21 Mass rebuild update

2014-06-11 Thread Omair Majid
* Peter Robinson [2014-06-09 11:35]: > That's likely because both OpenJDK7 and OpenJDK8 both provide > java-devel (based on a the repo as it stood at yesterday's compose so > it doesn't include the mass rebuild packages): > > # repoquery --whatprovides java-devel > java-1.7.0-openjdk-devel-1:1.7.

Re: Fedora 21 Mass rebuild update

2014-06-11 Thread Omair Majid
* Adam Jackson [2014-06-09 12:01]: > In the xorg-x11-docs case it's explicitly BuildRequires: > java-1.7.0-openjdk; Okay. Please don't do that. Use java-devel. Otherwise, this will break on future updates to Java 8, 9 an later ones. > changing it to plain java-devel actually fixes the > build, p

Review requests: netgen-mesher, tcl-togl

2014-06-11 Thread Sandro Mani
Hi, For the ongoing effort to package salome/code-aster, I need these two dependencies: - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1108395 - netgen-mesher - Somewhat complexish, autotools, mpi subpackages - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1108355 - tcl-togl - Easy review, tcl/

Fwd: [Bug 1106637] New: odb: FTBFS in rawhide

2014-06-11 Thread Dave Johansen
I resolved the issue with ODB not building with gcc 4.9, but it appears that there's something going wrong with the ARM build. I don't have access to a Fedora 21 machine or ARM hardware to debug this issue, so does anyone have any ideas on what I can do to get the ARM build working on Fedora 21? Th

Re: [Bug 1106637] New: odb: FTBFS in rawhide

2014-06-11 Thread Dave Johansen
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Dave Johansen wrote: > I resolved the issue with ODB not building with gcc 4.9, but it appears > that there's something going wrong with the ARM build. I don't have access > to a Fedora 21 machine or ARM hardware to debug this issue, so does anyone > have any idea

Re: [Bug 1106637] New: odb: FTBFS in rawhide

2014-06-11 Thread Dennis Gilmore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:01:19 -0700 Dave Johansen wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Dave Johansen > wrote: > > > I resolved the issue with ODB not building with gcc 4.9, but it > > appears that there's something going wrong with the ARM buil

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