On 04/21/2014 03:44 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
Would it
make sense to audit all spec files to look for instances of
'systemctl.*enable'?
I'm attaching the hits for that pattern on the actual RPM scripts in
Fedora rawhide (x86_64). This combines both regular scripts and trigger
scripts. I
Am 21.04.2014 06:17, schrieb Orcan Ogetbil:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 6:59 PM, drago01 wrote:
>> There is difference between a software developer, a sysadmin and a
>> user that simply wants to share his music with his family. The latter
>> should not have to learn about computer security to do i
Am 21.04.2014 03:39, schrieb Lars Seipel:
> Nicely aligning with the current firewall thread I noticed that one of
> my machines was running the exim MTA for the last few days, dutifully
> listening on all interfaces
and now it is *proven for sure* that disable the firewall
by default is the most
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:17 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 6:59 PM, drago01 wrote:
>> There is difference between a software developer, a sysadmin and a
>> user that simply wants to share his music with his family. The latter
>> should not have to learn about computer securi
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 3:49 AM, Liam wrote:
> Sent from mYphone
>
>
> On Apr 20, 2014 7:02 PM, "drago01" wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:39 AM, Reindl Harald
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> There have been other suggestions in this thread that are helpful like
>> >> the network zones thing (but we s
Am 21.04.2014 10:25, schrieb drago01:
> I did learn those things so did probably you and Harald but designing
> an operating system that requires deep technical understanding to be
> used is just a failure on our part
you don't get it - ship dangerous defaults is just a failure on our part
the
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
> Am 21.04.2014 10:25, schrieb drago01:
>> I did learn those things so did probably you and Harald but designing
>> an operating system that requires deep technical understanding to be
>> used is just a failure on our part
>
> you don't ge
Am 21.04.2014 11:13, schrieb drago01:
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Reindl Harald
> wrote:
>> Am 21.04.2014 10:25, schrieb drago01:
>>> I did learn those things so did probably you and Harald but designing
>>> an operating system that requires deep technical understanding to be
>>> used is
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 3:42 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 21.04.2014 03:39, schrieb Lars Seipel:
>> Nicely aligning with the current firewall thread I noticed that one of
>> my machines was running the exim MTA for the last few days, dutifully
>> listening on all interfaces
>
> and now it is *p
Am 21.04.2014 12:58, schrieb Mauricio Tavares:
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 3:42 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>> Am 21.04.2014 03:39, schrieb Lars Seipel:
>>> Nicely aligning with the current firewall thread I noticed that one of
>>> my machines was running the exim MTA for the last few days, dutifu
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 06:58:56AM -0400, Mauricio Tavares wrote:
> If all smartmontools need is to just send emails out, I would
> suggest using something like ssmtp or msmtp.
/usr/sbin/sendmail is handled with alternatives and can be provided by
e.g. ssmtp. Smartmontools was changed for ex
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:32:10PM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Exim getting installed isn't a bug but getting enabled by default is. You
> should file it and similar issues in other packages if any as well
Filed #1089650.
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On 04/15/2014 11:29 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> ...snip...
>
>> Special Requests: Cockpit would like to request an additional
>> 2-4 weeks on the Fedora 21 schedule to ensure completion of the
>> core functionality.
>
> So, you want to push final releas
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
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>>> Special Requests: Cockpit would like to request an additional
>>> 2-4 weeks on the Fedora 21 schedule to ensure completion
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Lately, I've been thinking a lot about Fedora's Foundations: “Freedom,
Friends, Features, First", particularly in relation to some very
sticky questions about where certain things fit (such as third-party
repositories, free and non-free web services, e
I agree with this completely. Functional capability matters quite a lot and
we seem to forget this a lot lately.
On Apr 21, 2014 7:35 AM, "Stephen Gallagher" wrote:
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> Lately, I've been thinking a lot about Fedora's Foundations: “Freedom,
> Frien
Le 21/04/2014 14:36, Stephen Gallagher a écrit :
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Lately, I've been thinking a lot about Fedora's Foundations: “Freedom,
Friends, Features, First", particularly in relation to some very
sticky questions about where certain things fit (such as third-pa
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On 04/21/2014 09:08 AM, Haïkel Guémar wrote:
> Le 21/04/2014 14:36, Stephen Gallagher a écrit : Lately, I've been
> thinking a lot about Fedora's Foundations: “Freedom, Friends,
> Features, First", particularly in relation to some very sticky
> questio
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 4:25 AM, drago01 wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:17 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 6:59 PM, drago01 wrote:
>>> There is difference between a software developer, a sysadmin and a
>>> user that simply wants to share his music with his family. The latte
In all of the hubbub of Red Hat Summit, I forgot to post this to the
mailing lists. Well, better late than never, I guess. Here's last
week's Five Things in Fedora This Week, reposted from
http://fedoramagazine.org/five-things-in-fedora-this-week-2014-04-15/
Fedora is a big project, and it’s hard
On Sat, 2014-04-19 at 15:33 +, upda...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
> The following comment has been added to the
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Change in ownership over the last 168 hours
===
2 packages were orphaned
python-heatclient [EL-6,devel,f19,f20] was orphaned by sdake
Openstack Orchestration (heat) Python Client Library
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgd
On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:30:48PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
> Writing too fast... you were actually arguing for a situation "2 used by
> default + 1 used but not used by default" I think. In that case your
> argument is right but it's my turn to not accept your premise :) networkd
> was intro
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 09:50:26AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> > bodhi - 2014-04-19 15:33:49 (karma: 0)
> > This update has been submitted for stable by ignatenkobrain.
> Can you please not just decide to push things to updates that I'd
> already promised fesco I'd leave in testing for a long soak
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 09:50:26AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
>> > bodhi - 2014-04-19 15:33:49 (karma: 0)
>> > This update has been submitted for stable by ignatenkobrain.
>> Can you please not just decide to push things to updates that I'd
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On 04/21/2014 10:33 AM, drago01 wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Matthew Miller
> wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 09:50:26AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
bodhi - 2014-04-19 15:33:49 (karma: 0) This update has been
submitted for sta
...snip...
IMHO, it feels wrong to call this it's own foundation. A foundation is
a core value of our community, and this seems like a harsh reality we
have to live with.
I guess I would prefer to have the 'freedom' foundation clarified some
rather than adding this as a foundation.
I guess it
On Mon, 2014-04-21 at 08:36 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> At the same time, we
> regularly allow the packaging of software that can interoperate with
> non-free software; we allow Pidgin and other IM clients to talk to
> Google and AOL, we allow email clients to connect to Microsoft
> Exchange,
sgallagh wrote:
> [...]
> > Sometimes this goal prevents us from taking the easy way out by
> > including proprietary or patent encumbered software in Fedora, or
> > using those kinds of products in our other project work. [...]
>
> The language in this Foundation is sometimes dangerously unclear
On Mon, 2014-04-21 at 16:33 +0200, drago01 wrote:
> > Ouch. Yeah. How did that happen? How can we make it not happen in
> the
> > future?
>
> Well bodhi could simply not allow anyone other then the submitter to
> press the push button.
> Other then that ... better communication.
Two people -- the
Broken deps for i386
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On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 08:36:55AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> To make things clear: I'm personally closer to the second camp than
> the first. In fact, in keeping with the subject of this email, I'd
> like to suggest a fifth Foundation, one to ultimately supersede all
> the rest: "Functional
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:52:24AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> existing "features" foundation. ("Features represents our commitment to
> excellence.") Putting friends, features, and first in servitude to that
> doesn't feel right.
Errr, "friends, freedom, and first".
*drinks more coffee*
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On Mon, 2014-04-21 at 10:30 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 09:50:26AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> > > bodhi - 2014-04-19 15:33:49 (karma: 0)
> > > This update has been submitted for stable by ignatenkobrain.
> > Can you please not just decide to push things to updates that
On Seg, 2014-04-21 at 10:56 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> On Mon, 2014-04-21 at 10:30 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 09:50:26AM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> > > > bodhi - 2014-04-19 15:33:49 (karma: 0)
> > > > This update has been submitted for stable by ignatenkobrain.
b
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> Lately, I've been thinking a lot about Fedora's Foundations: “Freedom,
> Friends, Features, First", particularly in relation to some very
> sticky questions about where certain things fit (such as third-party
> repositories, free and non-
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On 04/21/2014 10:52 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 08:36:55AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> To make things clear: I'm personally closer to the second camp
>> than the first. In fact, in keeping with the subject of this
>> emai
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On 04/21/2014 11:02 AM, inode0 wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Stephen Gallagher
> wrote:
>> Lately, I've been thinking a lot about Fedora's Foundations:
>> “Freedom, Friends, Features, First", particularly in relation to
>> some very sticky
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:17:41AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> Well, the problem I have with the Foundations is that by the way we
> have defined them, we've very clearly identified them as "equal" to
> one another. I'm not sure that this is sensible, particularly with
> regards to the "Freed
Oops, really sorry ;(
On Apr 21, 2014 5:50 PM, "Adam Jackson" wrote:
> On Sat, 2014-04-19 at 15:33 +, upda...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
> > The following comment has been added to the
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On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 08:36:55AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> ...I'd
> like to suggest a fifth Foundation, one to ultimately supersede all
> the rest: "Functional".
I think anytime anyone suggests a new foundation that supersedes all of what
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 08:40:03AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> ...snip...
>
> IMHO, it feels wrong to call this it's own foundation. A foundation is
> a core value of our community, and this seems like a harsh reality we
> have to live with.
I also have a hard time envisioning functionality at t
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On 04/21/2014 11:56 AM, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 08:36:55AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> ...I'd like to suggest a fifth Foundation, one to ultimately
>> supersede all the rest: "Functional".
>
> I think anytime anyon
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On 04/21/2014 12:37 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> What about solutions that have no useful FOSS analog? Are you
> expecting that someone who uses Adobe Lightroom all the time
> should switch to Fedora and write a brand-new post-processing
> engine th
Le lundi 21 avril 2014 à 11:56 -0400, Eric H. Christensen a écrit :
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 08:36:55AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>
> > Now, let me be further clear on this: I am not in any way advocating
> > the use of closed-source software or services. I am not suggesting
> > that we star
Le lundi 21 avril 2014 à 11:17 -0400, Stephen Gallagher a écrit :
>
> I'm trying to assert with this proposal that the best way for us to
> advance free and open source software is to continue shipping only
> open-source software, while making it easy for users to *transition*.
> By setting a har
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On 04/21/2014 11:56 AM, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 08:36:55AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>>> ...I'd like to suggest a fifth Foundation, one to ultimately
>>> supersede all the rest: "Functional".
>>
>> I t
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:37:57 -0400,
Stephen Gallagher wrote:
I don't think it's unreasonable for us to allow them to use Chrome
from the Google repository. I don't think it's unreasonable to allow
them to use Steam from the Valve repository. Device drivers get into
hazy territory, but I t
Le 21/04/2014 18:37, Stephen Gallagher a écrit :
I spoke too strongly there, I think. We do however give a *very*
strong impression that using non-FOSS solutions for anything at all is
unwelcome at best. Consider the recent discussions around GNOME
Software where we have
1) Forbidden it from aut
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On 04/21/2014 01:08 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:37:57 -0400, Stephen Gallagher
> wrote:
>>
>> I don't think it's unreasonable for us to allow them to use
>> Chrome from the Google repository. I don't think it's
>> unreason
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On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 07:04:03PM +0200, Michael Scherer wrote:
> Le lundi 21 avril 2014 à 11:56 -0400, Eric H. Christensen a écrit :
> > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 08:36:55AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> >
> > > Now, let me be further clear on th
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On 04/21/2014 01:07 PM, Haïkel Guémar wrote:
> Le 21/04/2014 18:37, Stephen Gallagher a écrit :
>>
>> I spoke too strongly there, I think. We do however give a *very*
>> strong impression that using non-FOSS solutions for anything at
>> all is unwelc
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On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:37:57PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On 04/21/2014 11:56 AM, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
i> > packaging or otherwise making it easier for one to choose
> > proprietary software. When we start pushing proprietary soluti
How we can fix my stupid error?
On Apr 21, 2014 5:50 PM, "Adam Jackson" wrote:
> On Sat, 2014-04-19 at 15:33 +, upda...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
> > The following comment has been added to the
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On 04/21/2014 01:37 PM, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:37:57PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> On 04/21/2014 11:56 AM, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
> i> > packaging or otherwise making it easier for one to choose
>>> proprieta
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Igor Gnatenko
wrote:
> How we can fix my stupid error?
"Fixing" it does more harm then good. Just leave it as it and hope the
testing it got was enough. If not people will hopefully file bugs
anyway.
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On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:37:57 -0400,
> Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't think it's unreasonable for us to allow them to use Chrome
>> from the Google repository. I don't think it's unreasonable to allow
>> them to use Steam f
On Mon, 2014-04-21 at 19:52 +0200, drago01 wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:45 PM, Igor Gnatenko
> wrote:
> > How we can fix my stupid error?
>
> "Fixing" it does more harm then good. Just leave it as it and hope the
> testing it got was enough. If not people will hopefully file bugs
> anyway.
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 20:08:06 +0200,
drago01 wrote:
"going to be significantly modifying the graphics system" ... what
does that even mean?
afaik it does not do any such a thing. It is just an X / SDL2 + OpenGL
application like any other ("just" closed source).
It does look like it only
Hi,
Google just published the list of the accepted GSoC proposals:
http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/projects/list/google/gsoc2014
We -the GSoC SIG- had a hard time to trim the list of proposals down to
10 slots and we're very pleased to see that all of them got accepted !
Thanks to my co-admi
Le lundi 21 avril 2014 à 13:19 -0400, Stephen Gallagher a écrit :
> On 04/21/2014 01:08 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:37:57 -0400, Stephen Gallagher
> > wrote:
> >
> >> But I think that trying to actively discourage (read: prevent)
> >> users from installing such softwa
On Apr 21, 2014 4:32 AM, "drago01" wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 3:49 AM, Liam wrote:
> > Sent from mYphone
> >
> >
> > On Apr 20, 2014 7:02 PM, "drago01" wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:39 AM, Reindl Harald
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> There have been other suggestions in this thr
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:02 AM, inode0 wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Stephen Gallagher
> wrote:
>> Lately, I've been thinking a lot about Fedora's Foundations: "Freedom,
>> Friends, Features, First", particularly in relation to some very
>> sticky questions about where certain thin
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On 04/21/2014 04:35 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:02 AM, inode0 wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Stephen Gallagher
>> wrote:
>>> Lately, I've been thinking a lot about Fedora's Foundations:
>>> "Freedom, Friends, Featur
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> To boil it down:
>
> Is the Freedom Foundation too strict? (Alternately, are we reading it
> too strictly?) In other words, is our hard-line on only displaying
> FOSS solutions ultimately accomplishing our Mission to advance FOSS? I
> arg
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> On 04/21/2014 01:08 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:37:57 -0400, Stephen Gallagher
> > wrote:
> >>> Does Fedora need to be that gateway OS? Maybe Ubuntu would be a
> >
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> On 04/21/2014 04:35 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:02 AM, inode0 wrote:
>>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Stephen Gallagher
>>> wrote:
Lately, I've been th
On 04/21/2014 01:27 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On 04/21/2014 01:07 PM, Haïkel Guémar wrote:
>
> We should think on how we could improve collaboration with
> third-party repos, fedmsg/copr might be part of the technical
> solution. How about a Fedora Partnership Program ? We could open up
>
On Mon, 2014-04-21 at 17:50 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> Look, I think the Foundations are great. They remind us all of why we
> got into this to begin with (or most of us anyway). However, they are
> never going to completely cover all cases. They are broad. They
> project strength and convictio
On Thu, 17.04.14 01:24, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote:
> I don't think we can, or should, have three separate network configuration
> systems in Fedora at the same time. We already know how long and painful
> the migration to NetworkManager has been—and AFAICS networkd doesn't
> support an
On Tue, 22.04.14 06:01, Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) wrote:
> > environment (say, everything via DHCP, no VPNs, no IPSec, no bridges,
> > nothing else), and telling both users and application developers not to
>
> Note that networkd supports static configuration, bridges and some for
On Wed, 16.04.14 12:46, Bill Nottingham (nott...@splat.cc) wrote:
> Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) said:
> > On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 04:20:16PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > > Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said:
> > > > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Remote Journal
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