Re: Unannounced soname bump: satyr (libsatyr.so.2 -> libsatyr.so.3) - affects libreport and abrt

2014-01-09 Thread Jakub Filak
I am sorry for the inconvenience. We usually rebuild entire ABRT stack (satyr/libreport/abrt) at once , however, I'm not able to build abrt for Rawhide because of some strange auto* error. The build works on my Rawhide VM but the koji build fails. I will be more careful next time. Regards, Ja

Re: Non-responsive easytag package maintainer

2014-01-09 Thread David King
On 2014-01-08 13:16, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, 1 Jan 2014 18:09:32 +0400 Peter Lemenkov wrote: Matthias seems to stop his participation in Fedora ~1 year ago: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/tasks?owner=thias&state=all Dave, I think you should be granted a primary maintainer status for

Livecd-creator is disabling selinux

2014-01-09 Thread Maros Zatko
Dear guys and ladies, So it seems like livecd-creator is silently disabling selinux. Proof: vim $(which livecd-creator) ; line 150 Fact, that it's re-enabled afterwards doesn't ease silent disablement of security feature. I'd love to know the reason and if it's possible to do something about it.

Re: Fedora 20 release day FedUp bug: post-mortem

2014-01-09 Thread poma
On 09.01.2014 08:34, Vratislav Podzimek wrote: > I really hope we will, that's how big steps in innovation happen in this > fast-moving world. And we don't want to be limping behind, do we? http://youtu.be/so9DBHCo64Q poma -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fed

Re: Grub installation. First potential Fedora killer

2014-01-09 Thread Harald Hoyer
On 01/02/2014 11:32 PM, Jean François Martinez wrote: > I have a nice booter setup and a nice _main_ Linux installation. Last thing > I would want is a distribution I am _testing_, that is Fedora 20 forces on > me it will be my main installation and forces me to choose between installing > Grub

Re: Livecd-creator is disabling selinux

2014-01-09 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/09/2014 05:32 AM, Maros Zatko wrote: > Dear guys and ladies, So it seems like livecd-creator is silently disabling > selinux. Proof: vim $(which livecd-creator) ; line 150 Fact, that it's > re-enabled afterwards doesn't ease silent disablement of

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-09 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Toshio Kuratomi said: > Just have yum drop a config file in there that protects the kernel > rather than protecting the kernel if some other package chooses to protect > something else. The magic "don't delete the running kernel" can't be done with just a config file. Somethi

dnf-0.4.11

2014-01-09 Thread Ales Kozumplik
Hello, New DNF release is out. See the blog [1], the release notes [2] and the F20 update [3]. Rawhide build went smooth this time too! Ales [1] http://dnf.baseurl.org/2014/01/09/dnf-0-4-11-released/ [2] http://akozumpl.github.io/dnf/release_notes.html#id22 [3] https://admin.fedoraproject.org

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-09 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Jan 7, 2014 4:53 AM, "Frank Murphy" wrote: > > On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 16:28:59 +0100 > Reindl Harald wrote: > > > look like it starts to happen again: a replacement which is not ready > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1049310 > > It seems the majority want the current dnf default

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-09 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 01/09/2014 03:56 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Jan 7, 2014 4:53 AM, "Frank Murphy" mailto:frankl...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 16:28:59 +0100 > Reindl Harald mailto:h.rei...@thelounge.net>> wrote: > > > look like it starts to happen again: a replacement which is not ready

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-09 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Jan 9, 2014 6:26 AM, "Chris Adams" wrote: > > Once upon a time, Toshio Kuratomi said: > > Just have yum drop a config file in there that protects the kernel > > rather than protecting the kernel if some other package chooses to protect > > something else. > > The magic "don't delete the runn

Re: Unannounced soname bump: satyr (libsatyr.so.2 -> libsatyr.so.3) - affects libreport and abrt

2014-01-09 Thread Chuck Anderson
This appears to have also broken Fedora 19 updates-testing, which is even less acceptable than breaking rawhide. --> Running transaction check ---> Package abrt.x86_64 0:2.1.11-1.fc19 will be an update --> Processing Dependency: satyr >= 0.13 for package: abrt-2.1.11-1.fc19.x86_64 --> Processing D

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.01.2014 16:03, schrieb Jiri Moskovcak: >> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1049310 >> >> After asking on the bugzilla it seems that ales would like people who >> want this change to cc themselves on the bug report. If the cc reaches >> 40 he'll reconsider. Kinda a strange wa

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-09 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 01/09/2014 04:12 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.01.2014 16:03, schrieb Jiri Moskovcak: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1049310 After asking on the bugzilla it seems that ales would like people who want this change to cc themselves on the bug report. If the cc reaches 40 he

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.01.2014 16:37, schrieb Jiri Moskovcak: > On 01/09/2014 04:12 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 09.01.2014 16:03, schrieb Jiri Moskovcak: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1049310 After asking on the bugzilla it seems that ales would like people who want this

Re: Unannounced soname bump: satyr (libsatyr.so.2 -> libsatyr.so.3) - affects libreport and abrt

2014-01-09 Thread Jakub Filak
Again, I am sorry for the inconvenience and I promise that I'll be more careful in the future. This issue was fixed at 11:27:10 CET (2014-01-09) https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-0437/satyr-0.13-1.fc19,abrt-2.1.11-1.fc19,libreport-2.1.11-1.fc19 Regards, Jakub - Original M

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-09 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 16:03:06 +0100 Jiri Moskovcak wrote: > And what would be the right way to decide? And please stay assured > that this is not a trolling, I would really like to see some > agreement in Fedora on how to decide these kind of things. As we always have I think... If the maintain

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-09 Thread Jiri Moskovcak
On 01/09/2014 04:40 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.01.2014 16:37, schrieb Jiri Moskovcak: On 01/09/2014 04:12 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.01.2014 16:03, schrieb Jiri Moskovcak: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1049310 After asking on the bugzilla it seems that ales would

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-09 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 09 Jan 2014 16:56:31 +0100 Jiri Moskovcak wrote: > > Well, I can use dnf in it's current shape quite fine and it works > faster than yum which I take as an improvement, so for me it's ok. So > what now? > > --Jirka > > Then add your voice to the bz to keep it as is. ___ Regards,

Rawhide PAPI-5.3 rebase warning

2014-01-09 Thread William Cohen
PAPI-5.3.0 came out at the beginning of December 2013 (http://icl.cs.utk.edu/papi/news/news.html?id=331). I would like to rebase Fedora rawhide PAPI to PAPI-5.3.0 January 16, 2014. openmpi build is definitely dependent on papi-devel, but I don't know if there are any other packages dependent

qt(4) header prefix moving to /usr/include/qt4

2014-01-09 Thread Rex Dieter
The KDE SIG is considering moving qt(4)'s default header prefix path from /usr/include to /usr/include/qt4 Primary reasons for doing this is to help minimize conflicts between anything qt5-based. When/if this is implemented, Qt4-based library packages, those that provide -devel subpkgs at leas

Packages which need to be retired properly

2014-01-09 Thread Michael Schwendt
Once again there are some packages, which haven't been retired completely yet. Check out this Wiki page for the steps that are necessary to get packages retired properly: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life "Dead" in below output means the packages are marked

Re: Rawhide PAPI-5.3 rebase warning

2014-01-09 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 01/09/2014 10:48 AM, William Cohen wrote: > PAPI-5.3.0 came out at the beginning of December 2013 > (http://icl.cs.utk.edu/papi/news/news.html?id=331). I would like to rebase > Fedora rawhide PAPI to PAPI-5.3.0 January 16, 2014. openmpi build is > definitely dependent on papi-devel, but I

Re: Unannounced soname bump: satyr (libsatyr.so.2 -> libsatyr.so.3) - affects libreport and abrt

2014-01-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 10:13 -0500, Chuck Anderson wrote: > This appears to have also broken Fedora 19 updates-testing, which is > even less acceptable than breaking rawhide. Eh, I'd suggest not. updates-testing is actually explicitly meant as a place to catch this kind of problem, whereas we're tr

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 January 2014 15:13, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > On Jan 9, 2014 6:26 AM, "Chris Adams" wrote: >> >> Once upon a time, Toshio Kuratomi said: >> > Just have yum drop a config file in there that protects the >> > kernel >> > rather than protecting the kernel if some other package chooses to >>

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.01.2014 19:58, schrieb Ian Malone: > On 9 January 2014 15:13, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >> >> On Jan 9, 2014 6:26 AM, "Chris Adams" wrote: >>> >>> Once upon a time, Toshio Kuratomi said: Just have yum drop a config file in there that protects the kernel rather than protecti

Re: Should /usr/bin/Xorg (still) be setuid-root?

2014-01-09 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 01/09/2014 12:09 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Peter Hutterer wrote: On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 01:14:08PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: /usr/bin/Xorg is, and has been, setuid-root just about forever. I'm wondering whether there's any good reason for it t

Sub-package dropped upstream

2014-01-09 Thread Jorge Gallegos
Hi, I maintain the uwsgi package for fedora, which optionally builds a bunch of modules to integrate with several other languages. One of the plugins got recently removed upstream but it hasn't got any replacements yet (see the top of http://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.org/en/latest/Erlang.html) Curre

Re: Rawhide PAPI-5.3 rebase warning

2014-01-09 Thread William Cohen
On 01/09/2014 01:29 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 01/09/2014 10:48 AM, William Cohen wrote: >> PAPI-5.3.0 came out at the beginning of December 2013 >> (http://icl.cs.utk.edu/papi/news/news.html?id=331). I would like to rebase >> Fedora rawhide PAPI to PAPI-5.3.0 January 16, 2014. openmpi bu

Re: Sub-package dropped upstream

2014-01-09 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 12:08:49 -0800, Jorge Gallegos wrote: > Hi, > > I maintain the uwsgi package for fedora, which optionally builds a bunch > of modules to integrate with several other languages. One of the plugins > got recently removed upstream but it hasn't got any replacements yet (see > the

Re: Should /usr/bin/Xorg (still) be setuid-root?

2014-01-09 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Hans de Goede wrote: > Hi, > > > On 01/09/2014 12:09 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Peter Hutterer >> wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 01:14:08PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: /usr/bin/Xorg is, and has been, se

Re: Rawhide PAPI-5.3 rebase warning

2014-01-09 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 01/09/2014 01:23 PM, William Cohen wrote: > On 01/09/2014 01:29 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: >> On 01/09/2014 10:48 AM, William Cohen wrote: >>> PAPI-5.3.0 came out at the beginning of December 2013 >>> (http://icl.cs.utk.edu/papi/news/news.html?id=331). I would like to rebase >>> Fedora rawhid

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-09 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/09/2014 01:58 PM, Ian Malone wrote: Latest installed is almost exactly not what you want, I've had plenty (where plenty in this case is probably >5) of cases where a kernel update broke something, in quite a few of those cases to a state where the system wouldn't boot. If the most recent on

Re: Sub-package dropped upstream

2014-01-09 Thread Alec Leamas
Yes, still it's an interesting issue... perhaps one count how many which actually are installed, but many problems also here: users privacy/opt-in, easily spoofed, infrastructure. In any case it would be great to have some estimate on this. On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:40 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:

Re: Sub-package dropped upstream

2014-01-09 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 22:20:10 +0100, Alec Leamas wrote: > Yes, still it's an interesting issue... perhaps one count how many which > actually are installed, "Installed and used actively" would be more interesting. Especially with regard to optional plugins, which perhaps are not loaded/executed at

Re: Sub-package dropped upstream

2014-01-09 Thread Jorge Gallegos
On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 10:45:44PM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 22:20:10 +0100, Alec Leamas wrote: > > > Yes, still it's an interesting issue... perhaps one count how many which > > actually are installed, > > "Installed and used actively" would be more interesting. > > Es

Re: Sub-package dropped upstream

2014-01-09 Thread Jorge Gallegos
On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 02:38:50PM -0800, Jorge Gallegos wrote: > On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 10:45:44PM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 22:20:10 +0100, Alec Leamas wrote: > > > > > Yes, still it's an interesting issue... perhaps one count how many which > > > actually are instal

Re: Sub-package dropped upstream

2014-01-09 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 9 Jan 2014 14:38:50 -0800, Jorge Gallegos wrote: > The package may not come back any time soon, and I actually have no idea > if patching it back from the old sources would be feasible (I haven't > looked to what extent it is broken.) If it does come back in the future > I understand it sh

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Chris Adams wrote: > The rescue kernel is another option, right there on the boot menu; if > you actually removed all running kernels, it would be the _only_ Fedora > option (and the only option at all on a system without multiple OSes > installed, so booted by default). Not going to happen here,

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bill Nottingham wrote: > Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) said: >> I'm a little lost in the thread, but do you mean that yum's protected >> packages functionality is undocumented? If that is what you mean, check >> the man page. It says: >> >> protected_packages This is a list of pa

Re: dnf versus yum

2014-01-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.01.2014 22:16, schrieb Przemek Klosowski: > By the way, currently the protected list seems to be 'yum, systemd and > running kernel'. > I don't have a system to try it on what about the machine you sitting in front of? without -y flag yum asks if you mean your input serious > so I just

Re: Should /usr/bin/Xorg (still) be setuid-root?

2014-01-09 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 12:52:46PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Hans de Goede wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > > On 01/09/2014 12:09 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Peter Hutterer > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at

Re: Should /usr/bin/Xorg (still) be setuid-root?

2014-01-09 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Peter Hutterer wrote: > On Thu, Jan 09, 2014 at 12:52:46PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Hans de Goede wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > >> > On 01/09/2014 12:09 AM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 2:58 PM,

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2014-01-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 00:03 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > In case of 3 you would never update an container you would replace it > > with a new container ( or App image rather ) which contains the > > update/upgrade and delete the old container or in case of Gnome wit

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2014-01-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2014-01-09 at 19:58 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > I'm coming to the conclusion that at some point distros have to give up > swimming against the tide and just say, look, if this is the way this > ecosystem wants to go, then it's your problem. Fedora's job for such > ecosystems would simp

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2014-01-09 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 00:03 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: >> > In case of 3 you would never update an container you would replace it >> > with a new container ( or App image rather ) which contains the >> > updat