Re: Discontinued Packing of NetBeans IDE

2013-11-07 Thread punto...@libero.it
Il 07/11/2013 08:27, Manuel Faux ha scritto: On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:38:38 + wrote: Quoting Rahul Sundaram (2013-11-05 17:46:55) Hi On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Manuel Faux wrote: Is it correct that the NetBeans IDE is currently not packed for Fedora? I checked the "netbeans"

Re: AppData questions

2013-11-07 Thread Tim Lauridsen
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:43 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 6 November 2013 10:41, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > # rpm -qf /usr/share/app-info/xmls/fedora-20.xml.gz > > gnome-software-3.10.3-1.fc20.x86_64 > > does. > > It's AppStream metadata. Whould it not be a good idea to have it in a sepa

File HTML-Format-2.11.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by corsepiu

2013-11-07 Thread corsepiu
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[perl-HTML-Format] Upstream update.

2013-11-07 Thread corsepiu
commit 43154eca459f6d905082a170420fdea0377f53de Author: Ralf Corsépius Date: Thu Nov 7 09:37:00 2013 +0100 Upstream update. - Drop perl-HTML-Format-2.10.diff. .gitignore |2 +- perl-HTML-Format-2.10.diff | 12 perl-HTML-Format.spec | 14 +

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread drago01
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:41 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Olav Vitters wrote: >> The definition given by Frank Murphy is totally different and doesn't >> align with above. Above also doesn't relate to developers. > > These align a lot with what I wrote though. :-) > http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/power

[perl-HTML-Format/f20] Upstream update.

2013-11-07 Thread corsepiu
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Re: Discontinued Packing of NetBeans IDE

2013-11-07 Thread Manuel Faux
On Thu, 7 Nov 2013 09:11:37 +0100 "punto...@libero.it" wrote: > Il 07/11/2013 08:27, Manuel Faux ha scritto: > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:38:38 + > > wrote: > > > >> Quoting Rahul Sundaram (2013-11-05 17:46:55) > >>> Hi > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Manuel Faux wrote: >

Re: Discontinued Packing of NetBeans IDE

2013-11-07 Thread punto...@libero.it
Il 07/11/2013 09:47, Manuel Faux ha scritto: On Thu, 7 Nov 2013 09:11:37 +0100 "punto...@libero.it" wrote: Il 07/11/2013 08:27, Manuel Faux ha scritto: On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 18:38:38 + wrote: Quoting Rahul Sundaram (2013-11-05 17:46:55) Hi On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Manuel Fau

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Peter Robinson
On 7 Nov 2013 03:05, "Kevin Kofler" wrote: > > Josh Boyer wrote: > > What you say makes some sense. It also makes me very tired thinking > > about the threads coming when the details start getting presented by > > the WGs :). I guess that's what we've signed up for though. > > Well yes, each tim

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Peter Robinson
On 7 Nov 2013 03:20, "Kevin Kofler" wrote: > > Olav Vitters wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:00:16AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Bastien Nocera wrote: > >> > Might not want to put answers in people's mouths. Did you read up on > >> > the various bundling techniques that were explored an

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 10:24:20 -0400 Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller wrote: Will the other DE's still exist after "workstation" Will a dev be able to use Xfce, Lxde as graphical choice. What would encourage say an xubuntu dev //* devs are still users */ working on foo, to switch to "Fedora Wor

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 03:53:48AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Olav Vitters wrote: > > AFAIK (not sure), it should come somewhat easy once you the distribution > > is based upon systemd. > > That means it will exclude the most popular distribution out there. I fail to see the point of discussing

[perl-Archive-Any/f20] Update to 0.0941

2013-11-07 Thread Paul Howarth
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Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 04:01:09AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Well yes, each time you try to force a change through which actually makes > things worse, there WILL be resistance. In fact, this is already what is > happening in this thread, the "app" proposal coming from (parts of) the > Workst

[perl-Archive-Any] Created tag perl-Archive-Any-0.0941-1.fc20

2013-11-07 Thread Paul Howarth
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Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 03:50:59AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Olav Vitters wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:00:16AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> Bastien Nocera wrote: > >> > Might not want to put answers in people's mouths. Did you read up on > >> > the various bundling techniques that

[perl-Archive-Any] Created tag perl-Archive-Any-0.0941-1.fc21

2013-11-07 Thread Paul Howarth
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Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Sergio Pascual
2013/11/7 Olav Vitters > On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 03:53:48AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Olav Vitters wrote: > > > AFAIK (not sure), it should come somewhat easy once you the > distribution > > > is based upon systemd. > > > > That means it will exclude the most popular distribution out there.

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:17:28 +0100 Olav Vitters wrote: > On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 03:53:48AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Olav Vitters wrote: > > > AFAIK (not sure), it should come somewhat easy once you the > > > distribution is based upon systemd. > > > > That means it will exclude the most po

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Tadej Janež
Kevin, On Thu, 2013-11-07 at 04:12 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > So where's the strawman? please stop with this. Simo wrote a rather long email post and argued he's view on users' freedom and all you did in reply was to nitpick on a footnote. Or in Simo's words again: On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 23:

Re: rpm macro magic help

2013-11-07 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 18:40:46 +0100, Sandro Mani wrote: > > On 02.11.2013 18:18, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Sandro Mani wrote: > >> %define do_build() \ > >> mkdir build_win%{1}_%{2}; \ > >> (cd build_win%{1}_%{2}; \ > >> %{mingw%{1}_qmake_%{2}} 'PREFIX=%{mingw%{1}_prefix}' > >> 'TARGET=q

[perl-Test-TCP/f20] Upstream update.

2013-11-07 Thread corsepiu
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[Bug 1027763] New: perl-XML-LibXSLT-1.82 is available

2013-11-07 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1027763 Bug ID: 1027763 Summary: perl-XML-LibXSLT-1.82 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-XML-LibXSLT Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee: jples...

Fedora 20 Beta Go/No-Go Meeting #3, Thursday, November 07 @ 17:00 UTC

2013-11-07 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
Join us on irc.freenode.net in #fedora-meeting-2 for this important meeting, wherein we shall determine the readiness of the Fedora 20 Beta. This is the third attempt to release Fedora 20 Beta. Currently, RC5 is under validation, please help if you can [1]. Two new blocker bugs are proposed. Thur

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Florian Weimer
On 11/06/2013 11:30 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 10:55:30PM +0100, Sergio Pascual wrote: Has this "sanboxed-bundled-from-upstream" proposal been discussed with other distributions? If the final result is that the "Universal Linux Package" only works in Fedora we are not gaini

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - > On 11/06/2013 11:30 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 10:55:30PM +0100, Sergio Pascual wrote: > >> Has this "sanboxed-bundled-from-upstream" proposal been discussed with > >> other distributions? If the final result is that the "Universal Linux > >>

F21 System Wide Change: Python 3.4

2013-11-07 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed System Wide Change: Python 3.4 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python_3.4 Change owner(s): Slavek Kabrda Update the Python 3 stack in Fedora from Python 3.3 to Python 3.4. == Detailed description == Python 3.4 adds numerous features and optimizations. See the upstream notes

F-20 Branched report: 20131107 changes

2013-11-07 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Thu Nov 7 09:15:02 UTC 2013 Broken deps for armhfp -- [blueman] blueman-1.23-7.fc20.armv7hl requires obex-data-server >= 0:0.4.3 blueman-1.23-7.fc20.armv7hl requires gvfs-obexftp [bwm-ng] bwm-ng-0.6

Consequences of library bundling (was: Re: OpenH264 in Fedora)

2013-11-07 Thread Florian Weimer
On 11/06/2013 08:52 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: Again: don't stop the solution short based on what the current code happens to implement. If we're building the bundles - and there's reasons we would want to - then we know the patches we need to apply. Despite significant efforts, we still have so

Copr

2013-11-07 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dear developers and Fedora contributors, let me introduce Copr: http://copr-fe.cloud.fedoraproject.org/ Copr is a build system for third party repositories. It is intended for: * upstream teams - to make nightly and test builds * layered applications - if you build on top of Fedora, but you a

Re: Rawhide nodebug and the 3.12 kernel

2013-11-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 6 novembre 2013 21:39, Bruno Wolff III a écrit : > On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 12:30:37 -0800, >Adam Williamson wrote: >> >>FWIW the ship has probably sailed now, but I really don't think it'd be >>much of a problem to have 3.12 in F20 at release time. It's what I've >>been running on my F

Re: AppData questions

2013-11-07 Thread Richard Hughes
On 6 November 2013 23:12, Michael Schwendt wrote: > $ file screenshot-soundconverter.png > screenshot-soundconverter.png: PNG image data, 502 x 534, 8-bit/color RGBA, > non-interlaced > ScreenshotSizeWidthMin=624 > ScreenshotSizeHeightMin=351 503 is smaller than 624 and the screenshot is the wro

Re: AppData questions

2013-11-07 Thread Richard Hughes
On 7 November 2013 08:34, Tim Lauridsen wrote: > Whould it not be a good idea to have it in a separate package, such kind of > metadata should not be included with the application package IMHO The plan is to ship this with the other metadata (and downloaded by dnf/yum) long term, but at the momen

Re: rpm macro magic help

2013-11-07 Thread Sandro Mani
On 07.11.2013 12:38, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 18:40:46 +0100, Sandro Mani wrote: On 02.11.2013 18:18, Kevin Kofler wrote: Hi, Sandro Mani wrote: %define do_build() \ mkdir build_win%{1}_%{2}; \ (cd build_win%{1}_%{2}; \ %{mingw%{1}_qmake_%{2}} 'PREFIX=%{mingw%{1}_prefix}'

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 6 novembre 2013 19:24, Josh Boyer a écrit : > I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around the intense focus on a > new app packaging technology when the entire distro is making massive > changes to how it's produced. Because all distributions can and do ship the same software and the

[389-devel] Please review lib389 ticket 47584 (take #3): CI tests: add backup/restore of an instance

2013-11-07 Thread thierry bordaz
This review differs from previous with: * skip verbose option (use of log.level). * use glob.glob to retrieve files matching rather that os.walk * fix a bug in instanceBackupFS that did not return an already existing backup * add two functions to handle instance backup: clearInstanceBackup

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 7 novembre 2013 11:17, Olav Vitters a écrit : > On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 03:53:48AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Olav Vitters wrote: >> > AFAIK (not sure), it should come somewhat easy once you the >> distribution >> > is based upon systemd. >> >> That means it will exclude the most popular

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/06/2013 10:12 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Simo Sorce wrote: > >> On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 01:13 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >>> Simo Sorce wrote: * and *ideally* I mean SELinux sanbdboxed with specific APIs that must be used to interact with

F21 Self Contained Change: OpenCL

2013-11-07 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Proposed Self Contained Change: OpenCL = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OpenCL Change Owner(s): Fabian Deutsch This change will bring basic OpenCL support to Fedora to support the development of OpenCL enabled software and the development of OpenCL implementations itself. The change

Re: AppData questions

2013-11-07 Thread Felix Kaechele
Richard Hughes wrote: It's not mandatory, but highly reccomended. See http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/appdata/#screenshots for details. A little off-topic but I was wondering: The spec states "Screenshots should be taken with US English as the display language.". However the spec also

Re: Copr

2013-11-07 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2013-11-07 at 13:54 +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Dear developers and Fedora contributors, > > let me introduce Copr: > > http://copr-fe.cloud.fedoraproject.org/ > > Copr is a build system for third party repositories. It is intended for: > * upstream teams - to make nightly and test

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Mer 6 novembre 2013 20:52, Adam Jackson a écrit : > Don't throw your hands up in resignation. Write code. Fix problems. Isn't that exactly what this proposal does? People claim packaging process is broken and needs to be replaced. But they've not even identified the problem parts, nor trie

Broken dependencies: perl-Language-Expr

2013-11-07 Thread buildsys
perl-Language-Expr has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: On x86_64: perl-Language-Expr-0.19-4.fc19.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.16.2) On i386: perl-Language-Expr-0.19-4.fc19.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.16.2) On armhfp: perl-Language-Expr-0.19-4.

Broken dependencies: perl-SOAP-Lite

2013-11-07 Thread buildsys
perl-SOAP-Lite has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree: On x86_64: perl-SOAP-Lite-0.716-3.fc20.noarch requires perl(SOAP::Transport::TCP) On i386: perl-SOAP-Lite-0.716-3.fc20.noarch requires perl(SOAP::Transport::TCP) On armhfp: perl-SOAP-Lite-0.716-3.fc20.noarch requi

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-07 Thread Simo Sorce
On Thu, 2013-11-07 at 14:41 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Mer 6 novembre 2013 20:52, Adam Jackson a écrit : > > > Don't throw your hands up in resignation. Write code. Fix problems. > > Isn't that exactly what this proposal does? > > People claim packaging process is broken and needs to b

Re: Copr

2013-11-07 Thread Remi Collet
Le 07/11/2013 13:54, Miroslav Suchý a écrit : > Dear developers and Fedora contributors, > > let me introduce Copr: > > http://copr-fe.cloud.fedoraproject.org/ Very nice tool (from a Copr tester) Thanks a lot. Remi. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproje

Re: AppData questions

2013-11-07 Thread Richard Hughes
On 7 November 2013 13:36, Felix Kaechele wrote: > A little off-topic but I was wondering: > The spec states "Screenshots should be taken with US English as the display > language.". You can actually localize the screenshots if you want; I don't know of any project that wants to do that yet. > Ho

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 11:33:57AM +0100, Sergio Pascual wrote: > 2013/11/7 Olav Vitters > > > On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 03:53:48AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > Olav Vitters wrote: > > > > AFAIK (not sure), it should come somewhat easy once you the > > distribution > > > > is based upon systemd

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 02:28:09PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > I fail to see the point of discussing non-GNOME-specific problems on a > GNOME development list. A bit more logical to include people who actually > work on non-GNOME software and don't want to discuss non-GNOME app > distribution o

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 10:45:29AM +, Frank Murphy wrote: > On Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:17:28 +0100 > Olav Vitters wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 03:53:48AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > Olav Vitters wrote: > > > > AFAIK (not sure), it should come somewhat easy once you the > > > > distrib

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 12:58:37PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 11/06/2013 11:30 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > >On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 10:55:30PM +0100, Sergio Pascual wrote: > >>Has this "sanboxed-bundled-from-upstream" proposal been discussed with > >>other distributions? If the final result i

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Mer 6 novembre 2013 19:24, Josh Boyer a écrit : > >> I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around the intense focus on a >> new app packaging technology when the entire distro is making massive >> changes to how it's produced. > > Be

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 7 novembre 2013 14:46, Simo Sorce a écrit : > On Thu, 2013-11-07 at 14:41 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> Le Mer 6 novembre 2013 20:52, Adam Jackson a écrit : >> >> > Don't throw your hands up in resignation. Write code. Fix problems. >> >> Isn't that exactly what this proposal does? >>

fedora-gooey-karma is looking for sponsor

2013-11-07 Thread Branislav Blaskovic
Hi, my little utility for easier karma submitting into bodhi is looking for sponsor. Package review [1] is in progress right now. I would really appreciate any comments and sponsoring. Thank you [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1020839 Branislav Blaškovič www.blaskovic.sk -- d

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 7 novembre 2013 14:57, Josh Boyer a écrit : > And yet, now we have Coprs. Which lets people easily upload > unreviewed, possibly bundled application SRPMs for easy distribution > outside of the main Fedora repos. Everyone seems to think Coprs are > awesome, but they can be used for the s

Re: Copr

2013-11-07 Thread Tim Lauridsen
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Dear developers and Fedora contributors, > > let me introduce Copr: > > http://copr-fe.cloud.fedoraproject.org/ > > Copr is a build system for third party repositories. It is intended for: > * upstream teams - to make nightly and test build

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Jeu 7 novembre 2013 14:57, Josh Boyer a écrit : > >> And yet, now we have Coprs. Which lets people easily upload >> unreviewed, possibly bundled application SRPMs for easy distribution >> outside of the main Fedora repos. Everyone see

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 7 novembre 2013 15:19, Josh Boyer a écrit : > So if we call containerized apps "Appers" and host it somewhere on > Fedora infrastructure and tell people about it, you'd be totally OK > with that? I think that would remove a lot of the emotion in this thread. > People seem to already be

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Peter Robinson wrote: I don't see many people forcing things through, I believe that the vast majority of contributors either like the change or aren't bothered by it. There's certainly no proof that it'll make anything worse. That doesn't mean its going to be perfect or without teething problems

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Peter Robinson wrote: > Just because you can't see a way to fix it doesn't mean its either > unfixable or that there aren't people willing to step up to do so. It's not that I can't see a way to fix it, it's that I can see that there is no way! The whole system relies on bundling, so it is provab

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Christian Schaller
Hi Frank, They will, although in some sense I am the wrong person to ask this question as it will be up to the people developing and packaging these DE's just like it is now. The difference from today here though will be that there will be some requirements for being available for the workstati

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Peter Robinson wrote: > I don't see many people forcing things through, I believe that the vast > majority of contributors either like the change or aren't bothered by it. Ah, the "silent majority" hypothesis, always a fun argument to bring (with no evidence whatsoever) when one is clearly losing

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Josh Boyer wrote: Everyone seems to think Coprs are awesome, but they can be used for the same things you deride containerized apps for. Please don't count me as "everyone." How is Coprs a benefit? -Allows easy Fedora fragmentation. Why bother with package reviews ever again? Were Ubuntu's PP

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Peter Robinson wrote: > > I don't see many people forcing things through, I believe that the vast > > majority of contributors either like the change or aren't bothered by it. > > Ah, the "silent majority" hypothesis, always a fun argume

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 07.11.13 03:53, Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) wrote: > Olav Vitters wrote: > > AFAIK (not sure), it should come somewhat easy once you the distribution > > is based upon systemd. > > That means it will exclude the most popular distribution out there. If you are referring to Ubunt

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > I can only react to what has been published, which so far is "we'll do > better because you suck" > Where has anyone said that? Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/lis

[389-devel] Please review: ticket 47521 Complex filter in a search request doen't work as expected.

2013-11-07 Thread Ludwig Krispenz
https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/47521 https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/47521/0001-Ticket-47521-Complex-filter-in-a-search-request-doen.patch -- 389-devel mailing list 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-devel

Re: EPEL Retire from maintainership duties

2013-11-07 Thread Dario Landazuri
Sam, Message: 2 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:23:05 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Kottler To: EPEL Development List Subject: Re: EPEL Retire from maintainership duties - Original Message - I'll take over nagios-plugins, nagios-plugins-check_sip, and nrpe. Can you orphan those packages so I can be

File Fedora-Rebuild-v0.10.0.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by ppisar

2013-11-07 Thread Petr Pisar
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Fedora-Rebuild: 651705dd3754fe2574843da5e67f2c52 Fedora-Rebuild-v0.10.0.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.

[perl-Fedora-Rebuild] 0.10.0 bump

2013-11-07 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 3c67235b6d5fa21b80b62062e5c43a947d75bfa3 Author: Petr Písař Date: Thu Nov 7 16:46:17 2013 +0100 0.10.0 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-Fedora-Rebuild.spec | 32 sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 22 insertions(+), 13

[perl-Fedora-Rebuild/f20] 0.10.0 bump

2013-11-07 Thread Petr Pisar
Summary of changes: 3c67235... 0.10.0 bump (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman

[perl-Fedora-Rebuild/f19] 0.10.0 bump

2013-11-07 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 347b470af7ae759736263592c0e4dba9ae67c7ce Author: Petr Písař Date: Thu Nov 7 16:46:17 2013 +0100 0.10.0 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-Fedora-Rebuild.spec | 32 sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 22 insertions(+), 13

[perl-Fedora-Rebuild/f18] 0.10.0 bump

2013-11-07 Thread Petr Pisar
commit 9476c47d0a44c0123fb8246f2ff406b0dc07fffa Author: Petr Písař Date: Thu Nov 7 16:46:17 2013 +0100 0.10.0 bump .gitignore |1 + perl-Fedora-Rebuild.spec | 32 sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 22 insertions(+), 13

introducing myself

2013-11-07 Thread Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
Hello, I have recently joined the Red Hat Security Technologies Team, and will help co-maintain the gnutls and nettle packages. My primary area of focus is security and cryptography and I'm working on few such projects (e.g. gnutls). I'd also like to bring in ocserv [0], an SSL VPN server. I hop

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Olav Vitters wrote: > On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 11:33:57AM +0100, Sergio Pascual wrote: >> 2013/11/7 Olav Vitters >> >> > On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 03:53:48AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> > > Olav Vitters wrote: >> > > > AFAIK (not sure), it should come somewhat easy once you the >> > distribution

Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-11-06)

2013-11-07 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
== #fedora-meeting: fesco == Meeting started by abadger1999 at 18:02:39 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-11-06/fedora-meeting.2013-11-06-18.02.log.html . Meeting summary --- * Roll Call

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 7 Nov 2013 15:45:13 +0100 "Nicolas Mailhot" wrote: ...snip... > > It's not blinders it's the natural reaction of people to tactless > pronouncements and dismissals. I do wish the people complaining about > this list focused more on technical aspects and less on hype or > we-ll-decide-som

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 07 Nov 2013 09:06:43 -0600 Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Josh Boyer wrote: > > Everyone seems to think Coprs are > > awesome, but they can be used for the same things you deride > > containerized apps for. > > Please don't count me as "everyone." > > How is Coprs a benefit? > -Allows eas

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bastien Nocera wrote: > - [Florian Weimer wrote:] - >> "Wayland" and "systemd" strongly suggest no Ubuntu interoperability >> whatsoever. Shouldn't this be a top priority for bundled applications? > > If we get any traction on this, their customers/users will ask them for it > themselves

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Florian Müllner
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > (My guess: Canonical will come up with their own Ubuntu App model requiring > Ubuntu technologies If you had read Lennart's previous reply to this thread, you'd be aware that they already did. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.o

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-07 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/07/2013 02:41 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mer 6 novembre 2013 20:52, Adam Jackson a écrit : Don't throw your hands up in resignation. Write code. Fix problems. Isn't that exactly what this proposal does? People claim packaging process is broken and needs to be replaced. Who? I'd agr

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Kevin Kofler
Josh Boyer wrote: > So if we call containerized apps "Appers" The name "Apper" is already taken! Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

unaccessability

2013-11-07 Thread Richard Vickery
Is / was a rather political decision to make BitchX unavailable through this app-market / Software GUI thing? Since having to yum install it, I am beginning to have a negative feeling toward the app market idea; the thought being: what else is being left out? Regards, Richard -- devel mailing lis

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-07 Thread Bastien Nocera
It's only for GUI applications, which BitchX isn't, and if it has become a GUI application in the ten years since I last looked at it, it's probably lacking AppData files. - Original Message - > Is / was a rather political decision to make BitchX unavailable through > this app-market / Sof

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-07 Thread Christian Schaller
Hi, The core principle of the installer is that it operates on an application level and not a package level. The current way it determines if something is an application is by looking for a .desktop file. So in theory you could put a bitchx.desktop file into the bitchx package and it would app

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Jeu 7 novembre 2013 16:29, Rahul Sundaram a écrit : > Hi > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > >> >> >> I can only react to what has been published, which so far is "we'll do >> better because you suck" >> > > Where has anyone said that? For example: > You're proposin

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Christian Schaller wrote: > Hi, > The core principle of the installer is that it operates on an application > level and not a package level. The current way it determines if something > is an application > is by looking for a .desktop file. So in theory you

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > You're proposing a continuation of the adolescent state of Linux on the > > Desktop with its barriers to growing the market. Yes, let's build > > artificial walls keeping out new users and developers who don't agree > > with the ex

[389-devel] please review: Ticket 47541 - Replication of the schema may overwrite consumer 'attributetypes' even if consumer definition is a superset

2013-11-07 Thread Mark Reynolds
https://fedorahosted.org/389//ticket/47541 https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/47541/0001-Ticket-47541-Replication-of-the-schema-may-overwrite.patch -- Mark Reynolds 389 Development Team Red Hat, Inc mreyno...@redhat.com -- 389-devel mailing list 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org htt

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-07 Thread Florian Müllner
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Perhaps instead of ignoring them entirely, you can just sort the results or > having > a secondary view "Click here for command line applications that match your > search > results" etc can be considered. I guess the main obstacle here is

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-07 Thread Richard Vickery
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Christian Schaller wrote: > >> Hi, >> The core principle of the installer is that it operates on an application >> level and not a package level. The current way it determines if something >> is an

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Florian Müllner wrote: > > I guess the main obstacle here is that there isn't really a good > criterion which is as clear-cut as "installs a (non-NoDisplay) > .desktop file" => "this is a user-visible gui application" for gui > applications - mutt certainly is

Re: rpm macro magic help

2013-11-07 Thread Alek Paunov
Hi Sandro, On 07.11.2013 15:10, Sandro Mani wrote: Uhm, how can one this be done? Shell variables are substituted after macro expansion, so i.e. function do_build { arch=$1 qt_version=$2 %{mingw${arch}_qmake_${qt_version}} } would hardly work? Or are you suggesting passing the entire macros as

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Thu, 07.11.13 03:53, Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) wrote: > >> Olav Vitters wrote: >> > AFAIK (not sure), it should come somewhat easy once you the distribution >> > is based upon systemd. >> >> That means it will exclude the m

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Markus Mayer
On 11/05/2013 10:33 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 16:32 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 15:23 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 14:22

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-07 Thread Bill Nottingham
Rahul Sundaram (methe...@gmail.com) said: > > I guess the main obstacle here is that there isn't really a good > > criterion which is as clear-cut as "installs a (non-NoDisplay) > > .desktop file" => "this is a user-visible gui application" for gui > > applications - mutt certainly is a user appli

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-07 Thread Christian Schaller
Well the installer is work in progress and there are a lot of features missing still, and there are still questions that we need to figure out the answer to in terms of installing various things. We are trying to nail down the core design first before adding support for 'everything', but there

Re: unaccessability

2013-11-07 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard Vickery (richard.vicker...@gmail.com) said: > A thought as we move into the future: if we continue with the installer, > end users may one day forget about the yum command and all the awesome > packages out there; they may forget about the command line altogether. We've been shipping a gr

[Test-Announce] Fedora 20 Beta status is Go, ongoing release schedule adjustments!

2013-11-07 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
At the Fedora 20 Beta Go/No-Go Meeting that just occurred, it was agreed to Go with the Fedora 20 Beta by Fedora QA and Fedora Development (with silent approval from me ;-). Fedora 20 Beta will be publicly available on Tuesday, November 12, 2013. !!!Schedule adjustment!!! Due to possible collisi

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-07 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Kevin Fenzi wrote: Like repos.fedorapeople.org ? I don't have a beef with r.f.o. They're no different from hosting a repo on a personal server. The top of the root page even contains a disclaimer. How on earth do you get to 'does away with them' ? It's a Fedora infrastructure server build

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