Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-04 Thread Lars Seipel
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 01:51:48PM -0800, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Lars Seipel wrote: > > And other packages wanting to play video or do WebRTC would start to do > > the same thing? I really can't see that happening. If at all, it > > probably would be a Firefox-onl

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-04 Thread Michael Scherer
Le mardi 05 novembre 2013 à 00:05 +0100, Reindl Harald a écrit : > the real problem Fedora has that there is nobody with the power to make > finally decisions and in doubt everybody can do anything and until the > damage is not done things which are not broken are happily fixed If there was such

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-04 Thread Kevin Kofler
Michael Scherer wrote: > I was giving a talk at pycon.fr last week, and spend the 3 days > discussing with people. Most people I discussed with ( coders and > sysadmins alike ) were fully ok with using pip install, much to my > dismay as a Fedora member. But those are not end users at all. To the

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-04 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/04/2013 04:49 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> Sure, we probably would end up reducing the number of >> applications available in the standard yum repos. I'm not as >> convinced as you are that this is a bad thing. Right now,

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-04 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/04/2013 05:00 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> Did you read this link? It talks about exactly what you are >> doing: asserting that the world must either be "distro-package >> only" or "absolute chaos". Josh's perspective is

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-04 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/04/2013 05:32 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> That's really not true any more in a world built on top of Ruby, >> Django, Node.js... >> >> In most cases, the people using these technologies don't use the >> distribution p

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-04 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Mattias Ellert wrote: > mån 2013-11-04 klockan 14:58 -0500 skrev Josh Boyer: > >> For a large number of upstream projects, they don't care at all about >> being in a distro. They just focus on their project and someone else >> integrates it into the distro. Contai

Re: OpenH264 in Fedora

2013-11-04 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 03:29:02PM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 15:21:56 -0600, > Michael Catanzaro wrote: > >On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 13:29 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > >>I have asked on the advisory-board list about getting an official > >>Fedora > >>position on Open

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-04 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Lun 4 novembre 2013 20:15, Josh Boyer a écrit : >> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Stephen Gallagher >> wrote: And, by the way, we've been supporting this kind of model with pip and gem already, so I really don't get why all

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-04 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Nicolas Mailhot > wrote: >> >> Le Lun 4 novembre 2013 20:15, Josh Boyer a écrit : >>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Stephen Gallagher >>> wrote: > And, by the way, we've been supporting this kind of model w

Re: Old kernels from FC19

2013-11-04 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Łukasz Trąbiński wrote: > Hi > > Where i can find old kernels from fc19 updates? > > Last 5-6 kernels are totally unstable and unusable. > For example, when i boot machines with many ethernet devices I got random > number ethX. Once eth0 is eth0, after reboot eth0

Re: gtk3 broken/missing icons on kde

2013-11-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sun, 2013-10-27 at 01:46 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Adam Williamson wrote: > > I don't think we'd really be correct in blocking the release for such > > issues - especially not Beta. We used to have 'polish' criteria for > > Final which at least required the icons used in the system menus - i.

Re: Differences between Fakeroot and Mock & Suggested method

2013-11-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-10-28 at 04:37 +0100, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 01:07:15 +0200, Adam Williamson wrote: > > generate the SRPM and do 'koji build --scratch fXX blah.src.rpm' , where > > You would have to rpmbuild -bs *.spec first to get blash.src.rpm. Yes. That's what 'generate the S

Re: Fedora engineering manager

2013-11-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 09:36 -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 08:26:47 -0400 > Matthew Miller wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 09:47:36PM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > > Just so its clear, I think I'm the only other person who works full > > > time on Fedora at Red Hat, but

Re: Requesting/managing upgrades to beaker.fedoraproject.org

2013-11-04 Thread Nick Coghlan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/05/2013 07:15 AM, Tim Flink wrote: > On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:43:32 +1000 Nick Coghlan > wrote: > > On 11/01/2013 05:23 PM, Tim Flink wrote: I'm fine with either direction for now. My hesitation on getting started with 1) is that having

Re: various mishandlings of corrupt GPT

2013-11-04 Thread Chris Murphy
On Nov 4, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Jeffrey Bastian wrote: > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:46:17PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: >> On Oct 24, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Jeffrey Bastian wrote: >>> I have a system that corrupts the backup GPT on every reboot. >> >> Certain RAID implementations write metadata at the e

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-04 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 21:02 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 04.11.2013 20:56, schrieb drago01: > > Again those are NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. You can have sandboxed *and* > > rpm packaged apps at the same time. > > the most imporant word in your answer is *CAN* > > but you will not, nobody will

Re: gtk3 broken/missing icons on kde

2013-11-04 Thread drago01
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sun, 2013-10-27 at 01:46 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Adam Williamson wrote: >> > I don't think we'd really be correct in blocking the release for such >> > issues - especially not Beta. We used to have 'polish' criteria for >> > Final w

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