Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-29 Thread drago01
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 2:44 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > There still seems to be an issue with the update descriptions that we > present in PackageKit. A lot of people just write "update to version > x.y.z" which is not great, but a whole lot better than some of the ones > we've been seeing rec

rawhide report: 20130629 changes

2013-06-29 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sat Jun 29 08:15:02 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [avgtime] avgtime-0-0.6.git20130201.fc20.x86_64 requires libphobos-ldc.so.60()(64bit) [calligra] calligra-author-2.6.4-2.fc20.x86_64 requires libmarbl

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-29 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 02:06:38 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: I like the idea of 19.1 pretty unofficially or untested, which fix some issues on mac installs. Which is basically someone run pungi with new boot installer stuff. The Unity guys used to do QA'd (by them) respins of Fedora. In thos

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-29 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 17:52:16 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: I've suggested before that Bodhi should reject any update with an empty description or with the placeholder text as the description. That would be really helpful. I think it does now. I forgot to add a note when rushing one of

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-29 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 07:44:22PM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > We need written policy on update descriptions, since despite the last > discussion on this list [1], poor update descriptions continue to > blemish the otherwise-professional image of the distro. A starting point > suggestion: "E

F19 upgrade pulls in a lot of i686 packages

2013-06-29 Thread Steve Grubb
Hi, Did anyone notice all the i686 packages that get pulled in if you try to upgrade from F18? My system has no i686 packages on it today. But when I try to upgrade it starts getting i686 dependencies pulled in. It starts like this: ---> Package mesa-libEGL.x86_64 0:9.2-0.7.20130528.fc18 will b

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-29 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Sat, 2013-06-29 at 07:34 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 17:52:16 -0700, >Adam Williamson wrote: > > > >I've suggested before that Bodhi should reject any update with an > >empty description or with the placeholder text as the description. > >That would be really h

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-29 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Sat, 2013-06-29 at 16:08 +0200, Till Maas wrote: > If the update fixes a bug which is properly mentioned in the bugs field, > why does this fact need to be mentioned again in the update notes? It > should be obvious that an update fixing a bug is worth pushing out. > > Also instead of writing p

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-29 Thread P J P
- Original Message - > From: Lennart Poettering > Subject: Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default > It will create a new file and rename the old one.     Right, thanks for confirming! Thank you! --- Regards    -Prasad http://feedmug.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedorapr

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-29 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 09:39:01 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Sat, 2013-06-29 at 07:34 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 17:52:16 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > >I've suggested before that Bodhi should reject any update with an >empty description or with the pla

Intent to orphan elementary-icon-theme

2013-06-29 Thread Johannes Lips
Hi all, I am going to orphan the elementary-icon-theme, because it's of no use to me. They dropped all the symlinks to make it compatible with other desktops than Gnome3. So anyone interested is invited to take over. Currently there is one open bug, where a user requests an update. https://bu

Re: libgd breakage

2013-06-29 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2013/6/28 Adam Williamson : >> Almost there, but still cannot generate chroot in mock. >> >> DEBUG util.py:264: Error: Package: gnuplot-4.6.2-2.fc20.x86_64 (build) >> DEBUG util.py:264: Requires: libgd.so.2()(64bit) > > gnuplot appears to be failing on some sort of texlive-related n

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 02:06:38 +0100 Sérgio Basto wrote: > I like the idea of 19.1 pretty unofficially or untested, which fix > some issues on mac installs. Which is basically someone run pungi > with new boot installer stuff. We are currently pretty unsetup for any kind of point releases. If s

Re: F19 upgrade pulls in a lot of i686 packages

2013-06-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:34:09 -0400 Steve Grubb wrote: > Hi, > > Did anyone notice all the i686 packages that get pulled in if you try > to upgrade from F18? My system has no i686 packages on it today. But > when I try to upgrade it starts getting i686 dependencies pulled in. > It starts like th

Re: F19 upgrade pulls in a lot of i686 packages

2013-06-29 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Sáb, 2013-06-29 at 10:34 -0400, Steve Grubb wrote: > ---> Package mesa-libEGL-devel.i686 0:9.2-0.12.20130610.fc19 will be > obsoleting > --> Processing Dependency: libEGL.so.1 for package: > mesa-libEGL-devel-9.2-0.12.20130610.fc19.i686 > ---> Package mesa-libEGL-devel.x86_64 0:9.2-0.12.20130610

Re: F19 upgrade pulls in a lot of i686 packages

2013-06-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:34:09 -0400, Steve Grubb wrote: > Did anyone notice all the i686 packages that get pulled in if you try to > upgrade from F18? My system has no i686 packages on it today. But > when I try to upgrade it starts getting i686 dependencies pulled in. It > starts like this: > >

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 19:44:22 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > There still seems to be an issue with the update descriptions that we > present in PackageKit. A lot of people just write "update to version > x.y.z" which is not great, but a whole lot better than some of the ones > we've been seeing

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-29 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:05:56AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > I like the idea of 19.1 pretty unofficially or untested, which fix > > some issues on mac installs. Which is basically someone run pungi > > with new boot installer stuff. > We are currently pretty unsetup for any kind of point relea

Re: Intent to orphan elementary-icon-theme

2013-06-29 Thread Christopher Meng
I can take it because I love elementary's things. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On 2013-06-29 5:29, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 02:06:38 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: I like the idea of 19.1 pretty unofficially or untested, which fix some issues on mac installs. Which is basically someone run pungi with new boot installer stuff. The Unity guys used t

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On 2013-06-29 7:08, Till Maas wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 07:44:22PM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: We need written policy on update descriptions, since despite the last discussion on this list [1], poor update descriptions continue to blemish the otherwise-professional image of the distro.

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On 2013-06-29 10:04, Michael Schwendt wrote: There are many more. Some are almost funny. I just hope we agree on how to present Updates to the user community. No further comment. OK, I propose a new rule: if you want to do a joke update description, it has to be as funny as Spot's. If you can

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-29 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > I can't personally conceive of a case in which it would make sense to simply > have some kind of changelog as the update description. That is not what the > description is for. Well, this is what I do for nodejs updates. I figure since th

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-29 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 09:39:01 -0500, > Michael Catanzaro wrote: >> On Sat, 2013-06-29 at 07:34 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >>> I think it does now. I forgot to add a note when rushing one of the >>> spin-kickstarts updates and bodhi

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-29 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 01:07:29PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > The upstream, RPM or git changelog is never a good update description. > > An update description should be a very clear high-level description > of what the update does. The audience is a normal end-user who has > 300 updates to a

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On 2013-06-29 14:20, Till Maas wrote: On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 01:07:29PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: The upstream, RPM or git changelog is never a good update description. An update description should be a very clear high-level description of what the update does. The audience is a normal en

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-29 Thread Jamie Nguyen
On 30/06/13 03:15, Adam Williamson wrote: > On 2013-06-29 14:20, Till Maas wrote: >> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 01:07:29PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >> >>> The upstream, RPM or git changelog is never a good update description. >>> >>> An update description should be a very clear high-level descrip