Re: Media Sizes SRPMS DVD

2013-06-28 Thread Frank Murphy
On Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:52:25 -0500 Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > The tooling can not make split media. its not possible. I meant us in Freemedia? on our own pcs -- Regards, Frank "When in doubt PANIC!" I check for new mail app. 20min www.frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedora

Tinyproxy - provenpackager intervention needed (760474)

2013-06-28 Thread Tomasz Torcz
Hi, Tinyproxy package has a problem since F16 - because of missing tmpfilesd snippet, the program won't start without intervention of admin. Tinyproxy wnats to store pidfile in /run/tinyproxy. This directory does not exist after fresh boot. There's a bug open: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_b

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread P J P
   Hello Jan, - Original Message - > From: Jan Kaluza > Subject: Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default > > Right now, without locking, logrotate would loss more messages if the > logs are big, because copying takes more time. It would be interesting > to mention the file size in y

Re: How to remove package and all dependent packages from EL branch?

2013-06-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/2013 01:50 AM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: > Hello. I've got bugreport that Erlang doesn't work on EL6 PPC64 > achitecture. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=958953 > > I don't have resources to fix this issue, and nobody volunteered

F-19 Branched report: 20130628 changes

2013-06-28 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Fri Jun 28 09:15:03 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [avgtime] avgtime-0-0.5.git20120724.fc19.x86_64 requires libphobos-ldc.so.60()(64bit) [derelict] derelict-ogg-3-13.20130516gitd8aa11d.fc19.i686 require

Re: Tinyproxy - provenpackager intervention needed (760474)

2013-06-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/2013 05:43 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > Hi, > > Tinyproxy package has a problem since F16 - because of missing > tmpfilesd snippet, the program won't start without intervention of > admin. Tinyproxy wnats to store pidfile in /run/tinyproxy. Thi

Re: Tinyproxy - provenpackager intervention needed (760474)

2013-06-28 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/28/2013 12:47 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/2013 05:43 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: Hi, Tinyproxy package has a problem since F16 - because of missing tmpfilesd snippet, the program won't start without intervention of admin. Tinyproxy wnat

Re: Tinyproxy - provenpackager intervention needed (760474)

2013-06-28 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:46:52PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 06/28/2013 12:47 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > >> > >>Tinyproxy package has a problem since F16 - because of missing > >>tmpfilesd snippet, the program won't start without intervention of > >>admin. Tinyproxy wnats to st

Re: Architecture specific header files

2013-06-28 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 25.6.2013 15:41, Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Hi, Is there some common practice, where to place architecture specific header files? From output of the following command, I can't see any such place. $ `gcc -print-prog-name=cc1` -v ignoring nonexistent directory "/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-lin

Re: Tinyproxy - provenpackager intervention needed (760474)

2013-06-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/2013 08:53 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:46:52PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" > wrote: >> On 06/28/2013 12:47 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Tinyproxy package has a problem since F16 - because of missing

Re: How to remove package and all dependent packages from EL branch?

2013-06-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/2013 08:44 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On 06/28/2013 01:50 AM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: >> Hello. I've got bugreport that Erlang doesn't work on EL6 PPC64 >> achitecture. > >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=958953 > >> I don't

Re: Architecture specific header files

2013-06-28 Thread Jakub Jelinek
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:58:12PM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 25.6.2013 15:41, Vít Ondruch napsal(a): > >Is there some common practice, where to place architecture > >specific header files? From output of the following command, I > >can't see any such place. gcc doesn't have such location, yo

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 28.06.13 13:23, P J P (pj.pan...@yahoo.co.in) wrote: > > The systemd-journald takes care of all of: receiving messages, writing > > them to storage, and rotating the storage. > > > > We do synchronous rotation before each write. i.e. the moment we append > > to a file we check if the write

yum groupinstall development-tools FAILS

2013-06-28 Thread Philip Rhoades
People, This command: yum groupinstall development-tools fails with these errors: Transaction Check Error: file /usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/systemtap.mo from install of systemtap-devel-2.2.1-1.fc18.x86_64 conflicts with file from package systemtap-sdt-devel-2.1-2.fc18.x86_64 file

Re: yum groupinstall development-tools FAILS

2013-06-28 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote: > People, > > This command: > > yum groupinstall development-tools > > fails with these errors: > > Transaction Check Error: > file /usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/systemtap.mo from install of > systemtap-devel-2.2.1-1.fc18.x86_64 confli

Re: Tinyproxy - provenpackager intervention needed (760474)

2013-06-28 Thread Eric H. Christensen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 11:43:44AM +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > Tinyproxy package has a problem since F16 - because of missing tmpfilesd > snippet, > the program won't start without intervention of admin. Tinyproxy wnats to > store > pidfile in /r

Re: yum groupinstall development-tools FAILS

2013-06-28 Thread Brendan Jones
On 06/28/2013 03:32 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: People, This command: yum groupinstall development-tools fails with these errors: Transaction Check Error: file /usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/systemtap.mo from install of systemtap-devel-2.2.1-1.fc18.x86_64 conflicts with file from packag

Re: yum groupinstall development-tools FAILS

2013-06-28 Thread Philip Rhoades
Brendan, On 2013-06-28 23:47, Brendan Jones wrote: On 06/28/2013 03:32 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: People, This command: yum groupinstall development-tools fails with these errors: Transaction Check Error: file /usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/systemtap.mo from install of systemtap-dev

delays between kernel builds and updates-testing

2013-06-28 Thread Reindl Harald
why does "yum --enablerepo=updates-testing -q check-update --security" today the first time show a kernel built a week ago? this is *way* too long to get it in *updates-testing* and after that wait forever to go to stable while 3.9.8 is still built, and new builts especially security relevant ones

Re: Architecture specific header files

2013-06-28 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 28.6.2013 15:04, Jakub Jelinek napsal(a): On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:58:12PM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 25.6.2013 15:41, Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Is there some common practice, where to place architecture specific header files? From output of the following command, I can't see any such pla

Re: delays between kernel builds and updates-testing

2013-06-28 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:36:24 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: why does "yum --enablerepo=updates-testing -q check-update --security" today the first time show a kernel built a week ago? this is *way* too long to get it in *updates-testing* and after that wait forever to go to stable while 3.9.

Re: yum groupinstall development-tools FAILS

2013-06-28 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Philip Rhoades writes: > [...] > yum --exclude=systemtap-sdt-devel* groupinstall development-tools > still gives the same errors . . How about a "yum update systemtap\*" first? - FChE -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: delays between kernel builds and updates-testing

2013-06-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.06.2013 16:49, schrieb Bruno Wolff III: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:36:24 +0200, > Reindl Harald wrote: >> why does "yum --enablerepo=updates-testing -q check-update --security" >> today the first time show a kernel built a week ago? >> >> this is *way* too long to get it in *updates-testi

Re: delays between kernel builds and updates-testing

2013-06-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:09:43 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: ...snip... > which does not explain why 3.9.6 and 3.9.7 was not in updates-testing > and 3.9.7 got there today, a week after it was built and after 3.9.8 > was built on koji for F17 Only the kernel maintainers can answer that. How about we

Re: delays between kernel builds and updates-testing

2013-06-28 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 17:09:43 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: so if the would be a link from koji to give karma i would have done that last sunday as i installed it on my test-VM and as said having users testing kernels and many other packages often before the maintainer knows that the build h

Re: How to remove package and all dependent packages from EL branch?

2013-06-28 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > Your best bet would be to add ppc64 to the ExclusiveArch on erlang, > rebuild it, get it pushed to stable, then the broken deps would make > it clear what packages were descended from it (and can also be patched > then to exclude ppc64).

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 07:34:06PM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > At the Fedora 19 Final Go/No-Go Meeting that just occurred, it was > agreed to Go with the Fedora 19 by Fedora QA, development, release > engineering and FPM. 979205 got filed yesterday, which makes it incredibly difficult to inst

Re: delays between kernel builds and updates-testing

2013-06-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.06.2013 17:42, schrieb Kevin Fenzi: > On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:09:43 +0200 > Reindl Harald wrote: >> which does not explain why 3.9.6 and 3.9.7 was not in updates-testing >> and 3.9.7 got there today, a week after it was built and after 3.9.8 >> was built on koji for F17 > > Only the kernel

Re: delays between kernel builds and updates-testing

2013-06-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 28.06.2013 17:42, schrieb Kevin Fenzi: >> On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:09:43 +0200 >> Reindl Harald wrote: >>> which does not explain why 3.9.6 and 3.9.7 was not in updates-testing >>> and 3.9.7 got there today, a week after it was built a

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:00:40 +0100 Matthew Garrett wrote: > 979205 got filed yesterday, which makes it incredibly difficult to > install F19 on Macs while keeping OS X. This is rather frustrating, > since Fedora's the only distribution with any significant support for > running on Apple hardwa

Re: delays between kernel builds and updates-testing

2013-06-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.06.2013 18:13, schrieb Josh Boyer: >> if i install kernel from koji on several machines and >> have a option to give karma if it works it would be in >> any case a useful information for the maintainers which >> is indepedent from what they desired intentionally > > You can always email us

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:25:58AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > - Say we ground all the wheels to a halt and slipped for this bug. > Where to do we draw the line? If someone comes up with a bug at > 9:50am on release morning, do we cancel everything? There has to be a > point where we say "so

File Regexp-Grammars-1.030.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by wfp

2013-06-28 Thread Bill Pemberton
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Regexp-Grammars: a87a0204466d3e833f8e826c3eb75ebf Regexp-Grammars-1.030.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 17:00 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 07:34:06PM -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > At the Fedora 19 Final Go/No-Go Meeting that just occurred, it was > > agreed to Go with the Fedora 19 by Fedora QA, development, release > > engineering and FPM. > > 97

Fedora 19 ARM GO/NO GO meeting minutes

2013-06-28 Thread Paul Whalen
Quick summary from our meeting today- we will be shipping Fedora 19 for ARM on July 2nd. This marks a significant milestone for ARM, being our first release that will ship alongside the primary architectures on day one. Many thanks to those who made this possible. Thanks to those that were

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > There is another 'workaround' you haven't considered: we can simply > build an updates.img that fixes the issue (or works around it, by > ditching the commit from 19.13.10 that apparently broke this case), and > link to that from the common

Re: Firefox in Rawhide is out of date

2013-06-28 Thread Kalev Lember
2013-06-27 20:57, Elio Maldonado Batiz skrev: > I brought this up with the nss/nspr team upstream. Kai added a good > explanation for them and proposedchanging the naming scheme two use > three numbersalwaysas the long term solution. Until that is accepted and > implemented upstream option (1) is a

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 13:19 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > There is another 'workaround' you haven't considered: we can simply > > build an updates.img that fixes the issue (or works around it, by > > ditching the commit from 19.13.10 that ap

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread DJ Delorie
If at 9:50am on release morning, aliens threatened to blow up the world if we shipped, we'd certainly do something about it. But it would be insane to expect us to *document* that we'd do something about it. IMHO it's perfectly reasonable for documented policy to simply say "bugs after this poin

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:24:07PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2013-06-27 at 18:41 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > > On Thu, 2013-06-27 at 23:38 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > > > Why would you want this? I mean, we rate-limit per-service anyway, so > > > the issue of one app flo

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/2013 01:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 13:19 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Adam Williamson >> wrote: >>> There is another 'workaround' you haven't considered: we can >>> simply build an up

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 06/28/2013 01:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 13:19 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Adam Williamson >>> wrote: There is anot

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 13:31 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On 06/28/2013 01:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 13:19 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Adam Williamson > >> wrote: > >>> There is another 'workaround' you haven't considered: we can

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 01:26:52PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > > If at 9:50am on release morning, aliens threatened to blow up the > world if we shipped, we'd certainly do something about it. > > But it would be insane to expect us to *document* that we'd do > something about it. Why? "Beyond thi

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 13:31 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> On 06/28/2013 01:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 13:19 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Adam Williamson >> >> wrote: >>

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/2013 01:33 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 13:31 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> On 06/28/2013 01:24 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 13:19 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:13:15AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > Well, I'd say _limited_ compatibility. We've had all kinds of bugs in > Mac support in, well, pretty much all previous releases too. It's not as > if we have a track record of excellent support, we have a track record > of 'you can

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 18:40 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:13:15AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > Well, I'd say _limited_ compatibility. We've had all kinds of bugs in > > Mac support in, well, pretty much all previous releases too. It's not as > > if we have a tra

Re: Fedora 19 ARM GO/NO GO meeting minutes

2013-06-28 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 01:18:59PM -0400, Paul Whalen wrote: > > Quick summary from our meeting today- we will be shipping Fedora 19 for ARM > on July 2nd. > > This marks a significant milestone for ARM, being our first release that will > ship alongside > the primary architectures on day one

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Richard Vickery
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 01:26:52PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: >> >> If at 9:50am on release morning, aliens threatened to blow up the >> world if we shipped, we'd certainly do something about it. >> >> But it would be insane to expect us to

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:43:33AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > With all respect, the bug reports and blogs I've read would not lead me > to support that assertion. With all respect, bug numbers. -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org ht

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:46:51 -0700 Richard Vickery wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Matthew Garrett > wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 01:26:52PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> > >> If at 9:50am on release morning, aliens threatened to blow up the > >> world if we shipped, we'd certai

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Corey Quinn
On Jun 28, 2013, at 10:26 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > If at 9:50am on release morning, aliens threatened to blow up the > world if we shipped, we'd certainly do something about it. So what you're saying is that you negotiate with terrorists? :-p On a more serious note, though it hasn't been a foc

Re: libgd breakage

2013-06-28 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2013/6/28 Volker Fröhlich : > On 27/06/13 17:31, Orion Poplawski wrote: >> >> On 06/26/2013 08:01 AM, Volker Fröhlich wrote: >>> >>> >>> GDAL is currently broken because it needs a rebuild for Poppler, but the >>> Texlive build is broken, as far as I can see. >> >> >> texlive has now been rebuilt.

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/28/2013 01:31 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: Yee, I just _love_ me some Macs. Thanks; I'll take that into account for commonbugs. When did Macs stop having ethernet ports? When the MacBook Air became the flagship Mac. We just got a MacBook Air and it came with a Thunderbolt pigtail Eth

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread DJ Delorie
> So what you're saying is that you negotiate with terrorists? :-p "Anyone else want to negotiate?" (sorry, couldn't resist ;) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Corey Quinn
On Jun 28, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > > I don't think any of the thunderbolt equipped MBPs (or maybe the later > ones) have them. The thunderbolt ethernet adapters apparently work if > you plug them in before you power them on and presumably all the usb > ethernet adapters would

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Bill Nottingham
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) said: > Splitting is controlled by SplitMode= > > Controls whether to split up journal files per user. One of "login", > "uid" and "none". If "login" each logged in user will get his own > journal files, but systemd user IDs will log into the

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Corey Quinn
On Jun 28, 2013, at 11:14 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 06/28/2013 01:31 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > >>> Yee, I just _love_ me some Macs. Thanks; I'll take that into >>> account for commonbugs. When did Macs stop having ethernet ports? >> >> When the MacBook Air became the flagship Ma

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 07:27:30PM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > Splitting is controlled by SplitMode= > Controls whether to split up journal files per user. One of "login", > "uid" and "none". If "login" each logged in user will get his own > journal files, but systemd user IDs

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 02:46:25PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 07:27:30PM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > Splitting is controlled by SplitMode= > > Controls whether to split up journal files per user. One of "login", > > "uid" and "none". If "login" each

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > and we have no history of producing updated > install images. Is there *any* reason why we can't? This sounds like a reasonable thing to do. Just because we have not done it in the past is not a reason not to. -- devel mailing list devel@

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > it makes sense from a logistic standpoint. But from any other POV it makes no sense. There is no reason why we cannot produce and ship updated images if we find a bug that is important enough. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraprojec

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 22:13 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > and we have no history of producing updated > > install images. > > Is there *any* reason why we can't? This sounds like a reasonable > thing to do. Just because we have not done it in

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:14:51 +0200 drago01 wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > it makes sense from a logistic standpoint. > > But from any other POV it makes no sense. There is no reason why we > cannot produce and ship updated images if we find a bug that is >

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 09:48:58PM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > 'uid' as default doesn't make sense, at least with the current way of accesing > logs. It is really nice to be able to view messages about a service > interleaved from various sources. Now when you say 'journalctl -u htt

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:14:51 +0200 > drago01 wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> >> > it makes sense from a logistic standpoint. >> >> But from any other POV it makes no sense. There is no reason why we >> ca

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:13:09 +0200 drago01 wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Matthew Garrett > wrote: > > and we have no history of producing updated > > install images. > > Is there *any* reason why we can't? This sounds like a reasonable > thing to do. Just because we have not done it

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:13:09 +0200 > drago01 wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Matthew Garrett >> wrote: >> > and we have no history of producing updated >> > install images. >> >> Is there *any* reason why we can't? This sounds l

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread P J P
  Hi, - Original Message - > From: Lennart Poettering > Subject: Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default > > journald is the only writer, it doesn't need locking. The changes it > does are done in a way so that concurrent readers will either see the > changes or not, but never half-w

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 28 June 2013 14:43, drago01 wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:13:09 +0200 > > drago01 wrote: > > > > * Mirrors willing to have another pile of release bits > > * Marketing/press folks willing to put together stuff for the release > > * D

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 22:43 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:13:09 +0200 > > drago01 wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Matthew Garrett > >> wrote: > >> > and we have no history of producing updated > >> > insta

Re: yum groupinstall development-tools FAILS

2013-06-28 Thread Philip Rhoades
FChE, On 2013-06-29 01:24, f...@redhat.com wrote: Philip Rhoades writes: [...] yum --exclude=systemtap-sdt-devel* groupinstall development-tools still gives the same errors . . How about a "yum update systemtap\*" first? That did it! - Good to remember . . Thanks, Phil. -- Philip Rhoa

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jun 28, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:25:58AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> - Say we ground all the wheels to a halt and slipped for this bug. >> Where to do we draw the line? If someone comes up with a bug at >> 9:50am on release morning, do we ca

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jun 28, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > > I don't think any of the thunderbolt equipped MBPs (or maybe the later > ones) have them. The thunderbolt ethernet adapters apparently work if > you plug them in before you power them on and presumably all the usb > ethernet adapters would

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 15:42 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > But the final release series of RC's happen very quickly, and any > allowed change is by definition significant (i.e. necessary) or it > simply wouldn't happen, but that also makes the change higher risk > than other changes. So I think more

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread drago01
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 22:43 +0200, drago01 wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> > On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:13:09 +0200 >> > drago01 wrote: >> > >> >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Matthew Garrett >> >> wrot

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2013-06-29 at 00:24 +0200, drago01 wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 22:43 +0200, drago01 wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> > On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:13:09 +0200 > >> > drago01 wrote: > >> > > >>

Re: libgd breakage

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 15:14 -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: > 2013/6/28 Volker Fröhlich : > > On 27/06/13 17:31, Orion Poplawski wrote: > >> > >> On 06/26/2013 08:01 AM, Volker Fröhlich wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> GDAL is currently broken because it needs a rebuild for Poppler, but the >

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 28.06.13 14:46, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 07:27:30PM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > Splitting is controlled by SplitMode= > > Controls whether to split up journal files per user. One of "login", > > "uid" and "none". If "l

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 28.06.13 16:33, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 09:48:58PM +0200, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > 'uid' as default doesn't make sense, at least with the current way of > > accesing > > logs. It is really nice to be able to view messages ab

More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-28 Thread Michael Catanzaro
There still seems to be an issue with the update descriptions that we present in PackageKit. A lot of people just write "update to version x.y.z" which is not great, but a whole lot better than some of the ones we've been seeing recently. For example, from two updates I got today: * "Not tested lo

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > I think you may be labouring under a bit of a misapprehension about what > should be tested, here. The distinction between a TC and an RC is not > large. An RC can only happen after freeze and must have all blockers > fixed: if a build afte

Re: More unhelpful update descriptions

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On 2013-06-28 17:44, Michael Catanzaro wrote: There still seems to be an issue with the update descriptions that we present in PackageKit. A lot of people just write "update to version x.y.z" which is not great, but a whole lot better than some of the ones we've been seeing recently. For example,

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 28.06.13 01:17, Jan Kaluza (jkal...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > Why would you want this? I mean, we rate-limit per-service anyway, so > > > the issue of one app flooding evreything else should be mostly > > > non-existant. And hence, what you are asking for is some policy control > > > about

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 29.06.13 04:46, P J P (pj.pan...@yahoo.co.in) wrote: > >   Hi, > - Original Message - > > From: Lennart Poettering > > Subject: Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default > > > > journald is the only writer, it doesn't need locking. The changes it > > does are done in a way so

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On 2013-06-28 17:51, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jun 28, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: I think you may be labouring under a bit of a misapprehension about what should be tested, here. The distinction between a TC and an RC is not large. An RC can only happen after freeze and must have

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Sex, 2013-06-28 at 14:16 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2013-06-28 at 22:43 +0200, drago01 wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 22:13:09 +0200 > > > drago01 wrote: > > > > > >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Matthew Garrett > > >

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread William Brown
On 29/06/2013, at 7:12, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Jun 28, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:25:58AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> >>> - Say we ground all the wheels to a halt and slipped for this bug. >>> Where to do we draw the line? If someone comes

Re: logrotate(8) and copytruncate as default

2013-06-28 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 02:42:11AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > That's why we are so strong on filtering the dataset when you look at > it. May I recommend watching this video? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4CACB7paLc I was there at that talk. :) I think the journal is cool. It does gr

Re: Fedora 19 status is ALIVE, GA on July 02, 2013

2013-06-28 Thread William Brown
> > > > We do actually have more than a few people with Macs: you, Fedora QA's Brno > team, mjg59, and I think someone on anaconda team has one. It would be nice > if at least one of the above could test each *C, though I realize bare metal > testing is a PITA and I hate it myself. > I do b