Re: Call for Bikeshedding: remote auth at install time

2013-06-04 Thread Jonathan Dieter
On Mon, 2013-06-03 at 18:07 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > Whether this is a blocker or not comes down to a judgement call, because > it hinges on whether this is a significant inconvenience for a large > enough number of users. So we need to know from people who use Fedora in > remote auth enviro

Bandwidth issue is fedora-review

2013-06-04 Thread Kalpa Welivitigoda
Hi, I am willing to and already have done package reviews specially in sugar activities. I am using fedora-review tool and there, mock needs to download a number of packages which will add up to around 150-200 MB. Those files will be downloaded each time that I run fedora-review. I have limited

New avconv instead of ffmpeg

2013-06-04 Thread Dario Lesca
About ffmpeg, a Debian's user say: > "This package contains the deprecated ffmpeg program. This package > also serves as a transitional package to libav-tools. Users are > advised to use avconv from the libav-tools package instead of ffmpeg. > > Libav is a complete, cross-platform solution to dec

Re: Fedora 20 new planning process and schedules

2013-06-04 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 3.6.2013 19:04, Dan Mashal napsal(a): What is a system wide change vs a self contained change vs a new change? That is good question. I was always against distinguishing between these two, but For example, if there will be new release of Ruby, I am going to propose them as a "self

Re: New avconv instead of ffmpeg

2013-06-04 Thread Jamie Nguyen
On 04/06/13 08:26, Dario Lesca wrote: > About ffmpeg, a Debian's user say: > >> "This package contains the deprecated ffmpeg program. This package >> also serves as a transitional package to libav-tools. Users are >> advised to use avconv from the libav-tools package instead of ffmpeg. >> >> Libav

Re: Call for Bikeshedding: remote auth at install time

2013-06-04 Thread Peter Robinson
> Basically, we (as in, the people who do blocker review) need to know if > remote auth at install/firstboot time is really important. Once we know > that, we can go out and get the blocker decisions against anaconda, i-s, > g-i-s, whatever else correct. Just trust us, and answer the initial > ques

Re: Bandwidth issue is fedora-review

2013-06-04 Thread Danishka Navin
may be you can use a test server if available On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote: > Hi, > > I am willing to and already have done package reviews specially in sugar > activities. I am using fedora-review tool and there, mock needs to > download a number of packages which

Re: Call for Bikeshedding: remote auth at install time

2013-06-04 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Jonathan Dieter wrote: > On Mon, 2013-06-03 at 18:07 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >> Whether this is a blocker or not comes down to a judgement call, because >> it hinges on whether this is a significant inconvenience for a large >> enough number of users. So we ne

Re: Flock proposals now open for community voting

2013-06-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Mon, 03.06.13 12:36, Tom Callaway (tcall...@redhat.com) wrote: > These submissions are mostly anonymized (some people put their names > or enough details in the abstracts to make it obvious who the proposed > speakers were). This is intentional, as we are trying to eliminate an > area of potent

Re: Bandwidth issue is fedora-review

2013-06-04 Thread Tomas Radej
Hi, On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:19:01 +0800 Danishka Navin wrote: > may be you can use a test server if available Please, don't top post (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#Proper_posting_style). > > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote: > > > Hi, > > I

rubygem-ronn needs groff-base to work properly, but does NOT require

2013-06-04 Thread Björn Esser
Hello list! As I have a pkg (git-extras, currently in review) which `BuildRequires: rubygem-ronn` I need to have `BuildRequires: groff-base`, too, for having the manpages build properly. See build-log without groff-base: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=5463867 See build-log wi

Re: New avconv instead of ffmpeg

2013-06-04 Thread Dario Lesca
Il giorno mar, 04/06/2013 alle 09.07 +0100, Jamie Nguyen ha scritto: > On 04/06/13 08:26, Dario Lesca wrote: > > About ffmpeg, a Debian's user say: > > > >> "This package contains the deprecated ffmpeg program. This package > >> also serves as a transitional package to libav-tools. Users are > >>

Re: Flock proposals now open for community voting

2013-06-04 Thread 80
2013/6/4 Lennart Poettering > > This sounds seriously misguided. I mean, I usually prefer attending > talks where I know that the presenter is actually involved in the > respective project, rather than just any random guy/gal. > > I am all for levelling the playing field, but things like this sou

Re: rubygem-ronn needs groff-base to work properly, but does NOT require

2013-06-04 Thread Björn Esser
Just filed a bug against rubygem-ronn: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=970537 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora Hosted Usability and Developer Experience

2013-06-04 Thread Petr Hracek
Hi Miro, thanks for good mail. I will try to explain some things regarding Developer Assistant. Primary we want to implement just GitHub but we decided to implement OpenShift during the developing phase as well. Current focus is mainly GitHub and OpenShift (in future). More things have to be ha

rawhide report: 20130604 changes

2013-06-04 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Tue Jun 4 08:15:03 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [dragonegg] dragonegg-3.3-0.1.rc2.fc20.x86_64 requires gcc = 0:4.8.0-8.fc20 [ekiga] ekiga-4.0.1-1.fc19.x86_64 requires libedata-book-1.2.so.17()(64bit)

Re: Call for Bikeshedding: remote auth at install time

2013-06-04 Thread Simo Sorce
On Mon, 2013-06-03 at 21:53 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Mon, 2013-06-03 at 18:07 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > As things stand, in Fedora 19, it's basically impossible to configure > > remote authentication from the install/firstboot process. If you want to > > use remote auth, you'd

F-19 Branched report: 20130604 changes

2013-06-04 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Tue Jun 4 09:15:03 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [bochs] bochs-2.6.1-1.fc19.x86_64 requires vgabios [deltacloud-core] deltacloud-core-rhevm-1.1.3-1.fc19.noarch requires rubygem(rbovirt) >= 0:0.0.18 [d

Re: Call for Bikeshedding: remote auth at install time

2013-06-04 Thread Simo Sorce
On Mon, 2013-06-03 at 18:07 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > We all know what devel@ does best, so let's fire up the power of the > bikeshedding machine :) > > We had https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=965883 on the list of > release blocker candidates that we evaluated at the blocker revi

Re: Call for Bikeshedding: remote auth at install time

2013-06-04 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2013-06-04 at 09:19 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > Basically, we (as in, the people who do blocker review) need to know if > > remote auth at install/firstboot time is really important. Once we know > > that, we can go out and get the blocker decisions against anaconda, i-s, > > g-i-s, wh

Re: Bandwidth issue is fedora-review

2013-06-04 Thread Kalpa Welivitigoda
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Tomas Radej wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:19:01 +0800 > Danishka Navin wrote: > > > may be you can use a test server if available > I'll manage with the cache for the time being. > > Please, don't top post > ( > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_li

Re: Call for Bikeshedding: remote auth at install time

2013-06-04 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/03/2013 09:07 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > We all know what devel@ does best, so let's fire up the power of > the bikeshedding machine :) > > We had https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=965883 on the > list of release blocker candidates t

Re: Call for Bikeshedding: remote auth at install time

2013-06-04 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2013-06-04 at 09:02 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 06/03/2013 09:07 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > We all know what devel@ does best, so let's fire up the power of > > the bikeshedding machine :) > > > > We had https://bugzilla.red

Re: Flock proposals now open for community voting

2013-06-04 Thread Tom Callaway
On 06/04/2013 04:28 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mon, 03.06.13 12:36, Tom Callaway (tcall...@redhat.com) wrote: > >> These submissions are mostly anonymized (some people put their names >> or enough details in the abstracts to make it obvious who the proposed >> speakers were). This is inten

Re: Flock proposals now open for community voting

2013-06-04 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 04.06.13 09:46, Tom Callaway (tcall...@redhat.com) wrote: > On 06/04/2013 04:28 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > On Mon, 03.06.13 12:36, Tom Callaway (tcall...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > >> These submissions are mostly anonymized (some people put their names > >> or enough details in the a

Re: F-19 Branched report: 20130604 changes

2013-06-04 Thread Dan Mashal
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:42 AM, Fedora Branched Report wrote: > Compose started at Tue Jun 4 09:15:03 UTC 2013 > > Broken deps for x86_64 > -- > [libreatlas] > libreatlas-1.0.0a-3.fc19.x86_64 requires librasterlite.so.0()(64bit) > [l

Re: Fedora 20 new planning process and schedules

2013-06-04 Thread Dan Mashal
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 3.6.2013 19:04, Dan Mashal napsal(a): > >> What is a system wide change vs a self contained change vs a new change? > > > That is good question. I was always against distinguishing between these > two, but > > For example, if there wil

Re: Flock proposals now open for community voting

2013-06-04 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 10:16:22 -0400 Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 06/04/2013 10:02 AM, Tom Callaway wrote: > > On 06/04/2013 09:55 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > >> What's even weirder is that some folks are explicitly mentioned > >> (such as Jon Masters) in the descriptions, so the playing field

Re: Flock proposals now open for community voting

2013-06-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/04/2013 10:02 AM, Tom Callaway wrote: On 06/04/2013 09:55 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: What's even weirder is that some folks are explicitly mentioned (such as Jon Masters) in the descriptions, so the playing field isn't actually that levelled after all? Only people who refer to themsel

Re: Call for Bikeshedding: remote auth at install time

2013-06-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/03/2013 09:07 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: We all know what devel@ does best, so let's fire up the power of the bikeshedding machine :) We had https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=965883 on the list of release blocker candidates that we evaluated at the blocker review meeting this mor

Re: Flock proposals now open for community voting

2013-06-04 Thread Tom Callaway
On 06/04/2013 09:55 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > What's even weirder is that some folks are explicitly mentioned (such as > Jon Masters) in the descriptions, so the playing field isn't actually > that levelled after all? Only people who refer to themselves by name in their own abstracts (or des

Re: Fedora 20 new planning process and schedules

2013-06-04 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Dan Mashal wrote: > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: >> Dne 3.6.2013 19:04, Dan Mashal napsal(a): >> >>> What is a system wide change vs a self contained change vs a new change? >> >> >> That is good question. I was always against distinguishing

Re: Call for Bikeshedding: remote auth at install time

2013-06-04 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 06/04/2013 02:26 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: ('winbind crashed with no error messages; restart it; oops crashed again; restart samba maybe; YAY, success, don't touch anything') Pre systemd winbind/samba migration or after systemd winbind/migration ( which means we might need to fix somethi

Re: Call for Bikeshedding: remote auth at install time

2013-06-04 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 06/04/2013 10:28 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 06/04/2013 02:26 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: ('winbind crashed with no error messages; restart it; oops crashed again; restart samba maybe; YAY, success, don't touch anything') Pre systemd winbind/samba migration or after systemd winbi

ELF program header table in MiniDebugInfo files

2013-06-04 Thread Martin Milata
Hello, in the process of making ABRT aware of MiniDebugInfo[1] through the libunwind library, I noticed that the MiniDebugInfo files in Fedora 19 (F18 too) have different ELF program header tables than the corresponding binaries and separate debuginfo files: $ eu-readelf -l /usr/bin/cat Progra

Differences between mock and koji?

2013-06-04 Thread Simone Caronni
Hello, I have a package that builds fine in a fresh rawhide mock chroot and not in a koji build. Is there any difference between the two? Here is the error in Koji: + make -j5 LIBPATH=/usr/lib64 -f makefile docs rm -f doc/crypt.pdf *.dvi *.log *.aux *.toc *.idx *.ilg *.ind *.out echo "hello" > c

Re: Differences between mock and koji?

2013-06-04 Thread seth vidal
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:52:14 +0200 Simone Caronni wrote: > Hello, > > I have a package that builds fine in a fresh rawhide mock chroot and > not in a koji build. Is there any difference between the two? > > Here is the error in Koji: > > + make -j5 LIBPATH=/usr/lib64 -f makefile docs > rm -f do

Re: Flock proposals now open for community voting

2013-06-04 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 10:22:50AM -0400, seth vidal wrote: > I disagree - this lets people judge proposed talks/sessions on what is > written. I don't go to presentations because of the quality of the abstract. I go to presentations based on whether or not I believe the speaker is competent i

Re: Flock proposals now open for community voting

2013-06-04 Thread Dan Mashal
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Tom Callaway wrote: > Only people who refer to themselves by name in their own abstracts (or > describe themselves in such a way that it is obvious who they are) ended > up like this. We honestly didn't think that was going to happen. > > This was an experiment. If

Re: Call for Bikeshedding: remote auth at install time

2013-06-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-06-04 at 10:06 +0300, Jonathan Dieter wrote: > On Mon, 2013-06-03 at 18:07 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Whether this is a blocker or not comes down to a judgement call, because > > it hinges on whether this is a significant inconvenience for a large > > enough number of users. So

Forced user creation (was Re: Call for Bikeshedding: remote auth at install time)

2013-06-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-06-04 at 08:43 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Mon, 2013-06-03 at 18:07 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > We all know what devel@ does best, so let's fire up the power of the > > bikeshedding machine :) > > > > We had https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=965883 on the list of > >

Re: Flock proposals now open for community voting

2013-06-04 Thread Kashyap Chamarthy
On 06/04/2013 08:37 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 10:22:50AM -0400, seth vidal wrote: > >> I disagree - this lets people judge proposed talks/sessions on what is >> written. > > I don't go to presentations because of the quality of the abstract. I go > to presentations ba

Re: Call for Bikeshedding: remote auth at install time

2013-06-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-06-04 at 10:26 -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > For what it's worth, remote authentication is increasingly important > where I sit, so everything that makes it easier to set up is welcome. As > of now, my cheat sheet for older Fedoras and RHEL is several pages long > and involves

Re: Bandwidth issue is fedora-review

2013-06-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-06-04 at 12:51 +0530, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote: > Hi, > > > I am willing to and already have done package reviews specially in > sugar activities. I am using fedora-review tool and there, mock needs > to download a number of packages which will add up to around 150-200 > MB. Those f

Re: Package version match with upstream in reviewing

2013-06-04 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote: > Hi, > > It is compulsory that a package waiting to be reviewed, be submitted with > the latest version in upstream? It cannot be. the latest version upstream sometimes includes a major and invompatible structure with the preivous major r

Re: Fedora 20 new planning process and schedules

2013-06-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-06-04 at 07:23 -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: > On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > Dne 3.6.2013 19:04, Dan Mashal napsal(a): > > > >> What is a system wide change vs a self contained change vs a new change? > > > > > > That is good question. I was always against disting

Re: Differences between mock and koji?

2013-06-04 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-06-04 at 11:05 -0400, seth vidal wrote: > On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:52:14 +0200 > Simone Caronni wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I have a package that builds fine in a fresh rawhide mock chroot and > > not in a koji build. Is there any difference between the two? > > > > Here is the error

Re: Bandwidth issue is fedora-review

2013-06-04 Thread Alec Leamas
On 06/04/2013 05:50 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-06-04 at 12:51 +0530, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote: Hi, I am willing to and already have done package reviews specially in sugar activities. I am using fedora-review tool and there, mock needs to download a number of packages which will

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-06-04)

2013-06-04 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo > meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. I'll be missing tomorrow's meeting. I'll log any comments I may have in the tickets. josh -- devel