Re: well!

On 03/13/2013 12:17 PM, Stef Walter wrote: On 03/12/2013 08:17 PM, Till Maas wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 12:47:07AM -0400, Digimer wrote: On 03/12/2013 12:41 AM, Charles Zeitler wrote: i don't like giving up control over my machine (partitioning), so i won't be upgrading to Fedora 18. i'll

Re: MariaDB replacing MySQL

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:59:50 +0100, Honza Horak wrote: On 03/06/2013 02:44 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Norvald H. Ryeng wrote: In practice, this means that it will be almost impossible to install MySQL in Fedora. The recipe in the feature page [1] requires the

Re: twinkle: Intent to retire

On 2013-03-12, 23:11 GMT, Peter Robinson wrote: > I've never managed to make that work, when ever I configure it all I > get is a crash. Using sip.redhat.com (that's eZuce OpenUC) I have just made a call to my cellphone. I have telepathy-rakia-0.7.4-3. Best, Matěj -- devel mailing list devel@

Re: Building broken in rawhide for packages requiring mysql? Re: MySQL-libs conflicts with mariadb-libs-5.5.29-7.fc19.x86_64

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:33:21 +0100, Honza Horak wrote: On 03/12/2013 02:03 PM, Norvald H. Ryeng wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:00:29 +0100, Honza Horak wrote: if I understand it correctly that the problem is caused by conflicting library names, then it should be solved today (the enhanced pa

Re: twinkle: Intent to retire

On 13 Mar 2013 08:02, "Matej Cepl" wrote: > > On 2013-03-12, 23:11 GMT, Peter Robinson wrote: > > I've never managed to make that work, when ever I configure it all I > > get is a crash. > > Using sip.redhat.com (that's eZuce OpenUC) I have just made a call to my > cellphone. I have telepathy-raki

Re: f19 mass branching

Dne 12.3.2013 16:30, Dennis Gilmore napsal(a): -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, F19 has been branched, please be sure to do a git pull --rebase to pick up the new branch, additionally rawhide/f20 has had inheritance cut off from previous releases, so this means that anythi

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

Dne 12.3.2013 19:16, Ray Strode napsal(a): Hi, This is an interesting idea, but I don't think plymouth makes it any easier to display CJK & Indic glyphs. (Please someone more technical tell me if I'm wrong here, I vaguely remember this being an issue when we wanted to add a messagse to fedup)

Re: Fwd: MariaDB replacing MySQL

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:25:02 +0100, Honza Horak wrote: On 03/12/2013 01:14 PM, Norvald H. Ryeng wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:58:03 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Honza Horak wrote: This doesn't solve all the issues -- if package like akonadi-mysql says "Requires: mysql-server", then Oracle M

Re: Fwd: MariaDB replacing MySQL

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:31:46 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Norvald H. Ryeng wrote: This dependency is a problem. It makes it impossible to install MySQL-server on a KDE system since mariadb-server and MySQL-server conflict. That just shows how broken it is to have both in Fedora at the same t

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Mar 12 mars 2013 21:53, Máirín Duffy a écrit : >> I tried breaking this thread down into its components and summarizing >> the discussion and points brought up thus far. I hope it helps: >> >> http://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2013/03/12/impr

[Test-Announce] 2013-03-13 @ 17:00 UTC - F19 Alpha Blocker Bug Review #1

# F19 Alpha Blocker Review meeting #1 # Date: 2013-03-13 # Time: 17:00 UTC (13:00 EDT, 10:00 PDT) # Location: #fedora-blocker-review on irc.freenode.net A few blockers have been proposed for Alpha and it's time to start the always popular blocker review meetings! We'll be running through the alph

Headups: soname bump for librabbitmq

I just build librabbitmq 0.3.0 in f19 and rawhide. Soname change from .0 to .1 Related packages php-pecl-amqp opensips-event_rabbitmq Remi. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Headups: soname bump for librabbitmq

Le 13/03/2013 09:50, Remi Collet a écrit : > I just build librabbitmq 0.3.0 in f19 and rawhide. > Other change: tools moved to new librabbitmq-tools sub-package so librabbitmq only provides the library. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.o

Re: f19 mass branching

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 12.3.2013 16:30, Dennis Gilmore napsal(a): > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hi All, >> >> F19 has been branched, please be sure to do a git pull --rebase to pick >> up the new branch, additionally rawhide/f20 has

Re: tomcat6 unresponsive maintainer & deprecation

- Original Message - > From: "Dan Mashal" > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:34:24 PM > Subject: Re: tomcat6 unresponsive maintainer & deprecation > > On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Stanislav Ochotnicky > wrote: > > Quoting Dan Mash

re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Wed Mar 13 00:32:09 UTC 2013 Máirín Duffy wrote: "Displaying information geared towards power users by default is intimidating / confusing to less-knowledgeable users." Surely if our target audience / user base is those who have a capability / interest in contributing then we shouldn't be look

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 12 March 2013 22:13, Simo Sorce wrote: > Why should the default configuration be ugly, slow, and biased toward > handling the odd case when things break ? > I confess I've only been lightly skimming this entire deeply interesting thread, on which more man hours have almost certainly now been

Re: twinkle: Intent to retire

- Original Message - > On 2013-03-12, 22:28 GMT, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > The main showstopper there is that they almost all directly or > > indirectly (e.g. through libmediastreamer) depend on FFmpeg. Ekiga > > seems to be the only one using GStreamer. :-( > > And telepathy-rakia (I positi

Re: [Fedora QA] #343: Add cgit link to Main Page

#343: Add cgit link to Main Page ---+--- Reporter: tflink| Owner: mkrizek Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: trivial | Milestone: Fedora 19 Component: Block

Fedora 18 on Asus U38N-C4010H

Hi Fedora people, I am writing this so somewhere on the Internet there is some info on running Fedora on an U38N. If you use the F18 Live image on a USB stick, reboot the computer from Win8 and keep the esc button pressed you can choose to boot from usb or hard drive. Choosing USB boots up Fedora

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 10:16 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 13.03.2013 02:54, schrieb Simo Sorce: > > On Tue, 2013-03-12 at 23:23 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> > >> Am 12.03.2013 23:13, schrieb Simo Sorce: > >>> On Tue, 2013-03-12 at 22:37 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 12.03.2

How to update to Ruby 2.0.0 in Rawhide?

I just got notification of this broken dependency: libguestfs has broken dependencies in the F-19 tree: On x86_64: 1:ruby-libguestfs-1.21.19-1.fc19.x86_64 requires ruby(abi) = 0:1.9.1 [etc] No problem with that. However I tried to install the new Ruby on my Rawhide machine, but it doesn

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 03/13/2013 12:26 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> - (Nobody explicitly stated this, but) Displaying information geared >> towards power users by default is intimidating / confusing to >> less-knowledgeable users." > I'd call this to be an urban legend. A boot menu is self-explanatory, > even to new

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 03/13/2013 12:47 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > I read the blog and I was NOT talking about your blog post. Rereading > what I wrote does show that I did not convey that clearly. What I was > trying to refer to was that over the long winding thread others have > pointed out that this would be

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Wed 13 Mar 2013 08:53:32 AM EDT, Reindl Harald wrote: > i wonder how i survived to learn all this stuff which > is so confusing - why do linux need to handhold anybody > which does get scared from a simple menu where each trained > monkey in doubt seletcs the first entry? Clearly you're a geniu

Re: How to update to Ruby 2.0.0 in Rawhide?

Dne 13.3.2013 13:40, Richard W.M. Jones napsal(a): I just got notification of this broken dependency: libguestfs has broken dependencies in the F-19 tree: On x86_64: 1:ruby-libguestfs-1.21.19-1.fc19.x86_64 requires ruby(abi) = 0:1.9.1 [etc] No problem with that. However I tried to ins

Re: How to update to Ruby 2.0.0 in Rawhide?

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > I just got notification of this broken dependency: > > libguestfs has broken dependencies in the F-19 tree: > On x86_64: > 1:ruby-libguestfs-1.21.19-1.fc19.x86_64 requires ruby(abi) = > 0:1.9.1 > [etc] > > No problem with that.

Re: f19 mass branching

Dne 13.3.2013 10:09, Peter Robinson napsal(a): On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 12.3.2013 16:30, Dennis Gilmore napsal(a): -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, F19 has been branched, please be sure to do a git pull --rebase to pick up the new branch,

Re: How to update to Ruby 2.0.0 in Rawhide?

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > I just got notification of this broken dependency: > > libguestfs has broken dependencies in the F-19 tree: > On x86_64: > 1:ruby-libguestfs-1.21.19-1.fc19.x86_64 requires ruby(abi) = 0:1.9.1 > [etc] > > No problem with that.

Re: How to update to Ruby 2.0.0 in Rawhide?

Dne 13.3.2013 14:01, Jon Ciesla napsal(a): On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Richard W.M. Jones > wrote: I just got notification of this broken dependency: libguestfs has broken dependencies in the F-19 tree: On x86_64: 1:ruby-libguestfs-1.21

Re: How to update to Ruby 2.0.0 in Rawhide?

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 13.3.2013 14:01, Jon Ciesla napsal(a): > > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >> >> I just got notification of this broken dependency: >> >> libguestfs has broken dependencies in the F-19 tree: >> On x86_64:

Re: twinkle: Intent to retire

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:14 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > It might have improved in f18, I got sick of trying and no response from the > maintainer to abrt reports I too have had problems getting any sort of response from the maintainer, but I'm always one to give second chances. On a whim, I dec

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

> From: Rahul Sundaram > > On 03/12/2013 08:17 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: > > What is the point of the RPM changelog then? > > RPM changelog is for packaging changes. Bodhi update notes are for the > user. They are not merely redundant copies of the same information. I see both sides of th

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 13 March 2013 12:46, Máirín Duffy wrote: > On 03/13/2013 12:26 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> - (Nobody explicitly stated this, but) Displaying information geared >>> towards power users by default is intimidating / confusing to >>> less-knowledgeable users." >> I'd call this to be an urban leg

Re: twinkle: Intent to retire

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Jared K. Smith wrote: > I've tried several other things this morning, but it doesn't seem > nearly stable enough to be my "daily driver" softphone. Time to go > try out Ekiga again, it seems. I know it's usually bad form to reply to yourself on a mailing list --

Re: Unhelpful update descriptions

- Original Message - > > > On 03/12/2013 10:18 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > Again, I'm disappointed in seeing that placeholder text in stable > updates. Clearly that plan failed---it'd be nice if Bodhi could > become > smart enough to reject updates with the placeholder descriptio

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

Le Mer 13 mars 2013 01:32, Máirín Duffy a écrit : > On 03/12/2013 07:24 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> I am saying this because I agree. To me the proposal (not the original >> but some point in the the 500 ms boot time "ideal" ) seemed very much >> a welded shut view. And as someone who has t

Re: twinkle: Intent to retire

2013/3/12 Richard W.M. Jones : > On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:53:00AM -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote: >> On 03/09/2013 12:08 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> > So, I am going to retire this package in rawhide soon unless there's >> > folks with a very strong C++ background wishing to fix issues and >> > basically

Re: f19 mass branching

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:03:26 +0100 Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 13.3.2013 10:09, Peter Robinson napsal(a): > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Vít Ondruch > > wrote: > >> Dne 12.3.2013 16:30, Dennis Gilmore napsal(a): > >> > >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED M

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Tue, 2013-03-12 at 15:47 +0100, Jan Dvořák wrote: > As have already been mentioned before, POSTing server takes so long > that GRUB delay is hardly noticeable. But what is worse, if you miss > the kernel selection dialog on a server, you look at UP TO FIVE MORE > MINUTES of waiting for the damn

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

> From: Chris Murphy > I'm sure there were a bunch of sorry whiners > missing verbose text boot scrolling by their screen by default, in > favor of graphical boot. Or perhaps those "whiners" consider themselves responsible employees by being diligent in understanding what "normal and correct"

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

> From: Chris Murphy > > On Mar 12, 2013, at 12:19 PM, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > > > I personally could not care less about the defaults Fedora uses. > I've been overriding them for years. I'm just glad I was able to > learn these things before everything became hidden. > > Because, na

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 09:34 -0400, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > From: Chris Murphy > > I'm sure there were a bunch of sorry whiners > > missing verbose text boot scrolling by their screen by default, in > > favor of graphical boot. > > Or perhaps those "whiners" consider themselves respon

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

Anyway, here is a proposal for an alternative way to deal with the boot sequence. 1. the bootloader screen is no longer themed with colour backgrounds but is predominantly black and white. Boot is transitioning from a black shut down screen so any colour or grey background is going to flash. (Mic

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:52:40PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > rescue system. (that's why safety jackets use flashy unfashionable colors) So we should make the boot loader use flashy unfashionable colors because it makes it more reliable? Ok that's silly, but it's also silly for safety jacket

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

> From: Simo Sorce > To: Development discussions related to Fedora > Date: 03/13/2013 09:47 > Subject: Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience > Sent by: devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 09:34 -0400, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > > From: Chris Murphy > > > I

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 03/13/2013 09:28 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le Mer 13 mars 2013 01:32, Máirín Duffy a écrit : >> On 03/12/2013 07:24 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >>> I am saying this because I agree. To me the proposal (not the original >>> but some point in the the 500 ms boot time "ideal" ) seemed ver

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

> From: "Nicolas Mailhot" > > Anyway, here is a proposal for an alternative way to deal with the boot > sequence. > > 1. the bootloader screen is no longer themed with colour backgrounds but > is predominantly black and white. Boot is transitioning from a black shut > down screen so any colour

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

Hi, On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 14:29:34 +0100 Nils Philippsen wrote: > Otherwise, no or a short timeout is used. I'm sure finding the best > thresholds, length of the list etc. needs some experimenting, but > besides that I don't see a glaring error with this idea. What do you > think? I like it. Bes

How does it work: What package can open a file?

When you try to open a file for which you have no package installed that handles that file type, there is a GUI that pops up and asks if you want it to search for a package that can handle the file. How exactly does this mechanism work? I'm assuming there is some meta-data in the RPM package that

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

Am 13.03.2013 13:46, schrieb Máirín Duffy: > If the general principle of 'specialized technical crap confuses people > who don't understand it' is a mystical urban legend to you, you might > want to try teaching a class to less-experienced computer users or > watching usability test videos. Or ma

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

Le Mer 13 mars 2013 15:26, Máirín Duffy a écrit : Máirín, > I would argue that throwing information up in people's faces 100% of the > time when it's useless to over 95% of those people is like throwing a > text in Japanese at a non-Japanese English speaker in the hopes that > somehow they would

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 03/13/2013 10:43 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > If you're lamenting the cryptical form of the current strings I totally > agree with you but I don't think there is any technical limitation that > prevents improving this text instead of dumping the baby with the bath > water. I'm not. I'm making a

Re: RFC: Fedora revamp proposal

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> Why? if we reverted no work would have gone on on the new codebase > > That's the whole problem. The Anaconda team cannot manage to develop in a > branch or trunk which is only put into Rawhide when it's ready. I've bee

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 14:29 +0100, Nils Philippsen wrote: > I don't see a glaring error with this idea. What do you > think? Well, I talked to a few guys in the office about it and there's one interesting issue with part of my idea: trying to detect multi-boot environments means that the boot load

Re: How does it work: What package can open a file?

On 13/03/13 14:40, Richard Shaw wrote: When you try to open a file for which you have no package installed that handles that file type, there is a GUI that pops up and asks if you want it to search for a package that can handle the file. How exactly does this mechanism work? I'm assuming there

[perl-Net-Twitter/f19] (2 commits) ...Import 4.00003

Summary of changes: 750fd6a... Updated to Net-Twitter-4.3 (*) aa29c0a... Import 4.3 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedora

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 10:48 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: > On 03/13/2013 10:43 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > If you're lamenting the cryptical form of the current strings I totally > > agree with you but I don't think there is any technical limitation that > > prevents improving this text instead of

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

Le Mer 13 mars 2013 15:48, Máirín Duffy a écrit : > On 03/13/2013 10:43 AM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> If you're lamenting the cryptical form of the current strings I totally >> agree with you but I don't think there is any technical limitation that >> prevents improving this text instead of dumpin

Re: f19 mass branching

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:30:01AM -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi All, > > F19 has been branched, please be sure to do a git pull --rebase to pick > up the new branch, additionally rawhide/f20 has had inheritance cut off > from previo

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 03/13/2013 10:57 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote: > I'm with you that users shouldn't see this by default, but rather e.g. > upon encountering an error condition (or if configured differently). > However, we still could use better wording for such a message, even if > we restrict ourselves to English,

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

Dne 13.3.2013 14:23, Ian Malone napsal(a): Are teens and pre-teens fedora's main target audience now? I'm really not sure what it is anymore. Are you suggesting that we should exclude them? Vít -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listin

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 03/13/2013 09:23 AM, Ian Malone wrote: > Then you have good students. Are teens and pre-teens fedora's main > target audience now? I'm really not sure what it is anymore. Is there any good reason to exclude them? I started using Linux (Red Hat 5.1) as a 3rd year high school student. ~m -- d

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 13 March 2013 15:07, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 13.3.2013 14:23, Ian Malone napsal(a): >> >> Are teens and pre-teens fedora's main target audience now? I'm really not >> sure what it is anymore. > > > Are you suggesting that we should exclude them? > Yes okay, that's what I'm suggesting. It's no

[389-devel] please review: Ticket 600 - Server should return unavailableCriticalExtension when processing a badly formed critical control

https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/600 https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/600/0001-Ticket-600-Server-should-return-unavailableCriticalE.patch -- 389-devel mailing list 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-devel

Re: rawhide report: 20130313 changes

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 08:34:50AM +, Fedora Rawhide Report wrote: > Summary: > Added Packages: 0 > Removed Packages: 13124 > Upgraded Packages: 0 > Size of added packages: 0 (0 ) > Size change of modified packages: 0 (0 ) > Size of removed packages: 38512331457 (36 G) > Size change: -385123314

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Tue, 2013-03-12 at 23:52 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Mar 12 mars 2013 19:04, Peter Jones a écrit : > > > Obviously we need to do a good job of making sure we tolerate failures, > > and there are multiple ways to do this - if you reboot N times within M > > seconds or somesuch might be a

Re: rawhide report: 20130313 changes

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:18:34 +0100 Karel Zak wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 08:34:50AM +, Fedora Rawhide Report wrote: > > Summary: > > Added Packages: 0 > > Removed Packages: 13124 > > Upgraded Packages: 0 > > Size of added packages: 0 (0 ) > > Size change of modified packages: 0 (0 ) > >

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

> From: Máirín Duffy > > Why not put it in the control panel on the running system along with > other system-level options, though? Doesn't that make more sense rather > than separating it out for access only in a completely different context? Because maybe your computer boots just fine but you

Fedora ARM weekly status meeting 2013-03-13

Good day all, Please join us today (Wednesday, March 13th) at 4PM EDT (8PM UTC) for the Fedora ARM weekly status meeting in #fedora-meeting-1 on Freenode. On the agenda so far.. 0) Status of ACTION items from our previous meeting 1) Problem packages 2) Aarch64 patching 3) Creating test candi

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

> I know it is a simplification, but to me, the two sides of this > argument are: > > * remove the hood of the car, and keep it off in case something > goes wrong, or to entice new drivers to look in there and guess > what is going on. * keep the hood of the car on, and if something > goes wrong,

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 03/13/2013 02:23 PM, Ian Malone wrote: On 13 March 2013 12:46, Máirín Duffy wrote: On 03/13/2013 12:26 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: - (Nobody explicitly stated this, but) Displaying information geared towards power users by default is intimidating / confusing to less-knowledgeable users." I'

Re: f19 mass branching

Once upon a time, Dave Jones said: > Having my local mirror wiped when I rsynced todays rawhide tree was > unexpected. > Having to do a full rsync again is a pain. > > wtf happened that caused the mirrors to be empty ? Ouch. I see that too. IIRC this happened before (maybe last branch?). Ther

Re: f19 mass branching

> From: Chris Adams > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Date: 03/13/2013 11:35 > Subject: Re: f19 mass branching > Sent by: devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org > > Once upon a time, Dave Jones said: > > Having my local mirror wiped when I rsynced todays rawhide tree > was unexpected. > > Ha

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

Le Mer 13 mars 2013 15:16, Nicolas Mailhot a écrit : > > Anyway, here is a proposal for an alternative way to deal with the boot > sequence. (btw, in case it is not obvious, the solution described here is a form of dead-man switch, which is a proven method to handle operator failures. In the case

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

>> On 13 March 2013 12:46, Máirín Duffy wrote: >>> No, a boot menu is not self-explanatory, and no, this is not an 'urban >>> legend.' How do you even come up with associating the term 'urban >>> legend' to statement saying that a complex screen is confusing to casual >>> computer users? On 03/13

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 11:04 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: > In that situation my first instinct would be to go into the control > panel and poke around and see if there was something I could fix > there, and maybe search online for an answer. My first instinct would > not be to reboot the system and g

Re: f19 mass branching

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:35:00 -0500 Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Dave Jones said: > > Having my local mirror wiped when I rsynced todays rawhide tree was > > unexpected. Having to do a full rsync again is a pain. > > > > wtf happened that caused the mirrors to be empty ? > > Ouch. I

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 2013-03-13 17:29 (GMT+0200) Sebastian Mäki composed: * remove the hood of the car, and keep it off in case something goes wrong, or to entice new drivers to look in there and guess what is going on. * keep the hood of the car on, and if something goes wrong, pop it. If the driver wants to twe

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

>> From: Máirín Duffy >> Why not put it in the control panel on the running system along with >> other system-level options, though? Doesn't that make more sense rather >> than separating it out for access only in a completely different context? On 03/13/2013 11:26 AM, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Wed, 2013-03-13 at 11:04 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: > On 03/13/2013 10:57 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote: > > I'm with you that users shouldn't see this by default, but rather e.g. > > upon encountering an error condition (or if configured differently). > > However, we still could use better wording

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 03/13/2013 11:51 AM, Felix Miata wrote: On 2013-03-13 17:29 (GMT+0200) Sebastian Mäki composed: * remove the hood of the car, and keep it off in case something goes wrong, or to entice new drivers to look in there and guess what is going on. * keep the hood of the car on, and if something go

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 03/13/2013 11:46 AM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > This brings the question, how do you do your update? I actually do updates via the package kit nag thing that pops up from the messaging tray, and I rarely pay attention to the list of packages. I just don't have the time to bother, and if that's

Re: RFC: Fedora revamp proposal

On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:23:35 +0100 Kevin Kofler wrote: > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Why? if we reverted no work would have gone on on the new codebase > > That's the whole problem. The Anaconda team cannot manage to develop > in a branch or trunk which is only put into Rawhide when it's ready. Well

ImageMagick update in rawhide to 6.8.3-9 version, so-name change, split libs sub package

Good day. By request https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849065 I plan split off ImageMagick-libs sub-package and update ImageMagick to last 6.8.3-9 version. There many changes including so-name bump and version scheme change from upstream: libMagickCore.so.5 became libMagickCore-6.Q1

Re: ImageMagick update in rawhide to 6.8.3-9 version, so-name change, split libs sub package

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Pavel Alexeev wrote: > Good day. > > By request https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849065 I plan split > off ImageMagick-libs sub-package and update ImageMagick to last 6.8.3-9 > version. > There many changes including so-name bump and version scheme chang

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

Le Mer 13 mars 2013 16:52, Máirín Duffy a écrit : >>> From: Máirín Duffy >>> Why not put it in the control panel on the running system along with >>> other system-level options, though? Doesn't that make more sense rather >>> than separating it out for access only in a completely different >>> co

Re: ImageMagick update in rawhide to 6.8.3-9 version, so-name change, split libs sub package

Le 13/03/2013 17:03, Pavel Alexeev a écrit : > I plan push it in rawhide 14-17 March if no one will argue. Sounds good. > Dependency rebuild required. > php-magickwand > php-pecl-imagick This 2 packages requires some patches to build with latest ImageMagick. I already have them ready. So ping m

Schedule for today's FESCo meeting (2013-03-13)

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC (2:00pm EST, 19:00 CET) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. (Apologies for the delay, was out ill yesterday.) Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

Le Mer 13 mars 2013 17:00, Máirín Duffy a écrit : > It's been a really long time since a kernel update broke something on my > system as well. I think the last time might have been around F14, there > had been a kernel update that broke suspend on my Thinkpad x61. A fix > came out shortly after.

Re: ImageMagick update in rawhide to 6.8.3-9 version, so-name change, split libs sub package

Le 13/03/2013 17:16, Remi Collet a écrit : >> php-pecl-imagick As you're the owner of this one, if you prefer to update it, see http://svn.php.net/viewvc?view=revision&revision=329769 Remi. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: RFC: Fedora revamp proposal

On 03/13/2013 12:02 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: 2) You can take the longer release time, get the new codebase in and done and then you are in much better shape moving forward. We choose 2. (Anaconda folks, feel free to drop in and correct me if I got anything wrong). I can't see much way to explai

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Wed 13 Mar 2013 12:19:39 PM EDT, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > This is no luck, you are using the exact class of hardware @rh dev use, > which is pretty much the safest setup for Fedora (and it's not the least > expensive hardware on the market either). This is my last message to this thread. I am

Fedora Knowledge Base / Help Center Idea

On 03/13/2013 11:53 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote: > I imagine that some kind of well discoverable (e.g. advertised during > installation, or in the default browser homepage) knowledge-base beyond > installation guides, release notes e.a. could get us a far way, which > would have vetted information ab

Re: f19 mass branching

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 09:51:01AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:35:00 -0500 > Chris Adams wrote: > > > Once upon a time, Dave Jones said: > > > Having my local mirror wiped when I rsynced todays rawhide tree was > > > unexpected. Having to do a full rsync again is a p

Re: Fedora Knowledge Base / Help Center Idea

On 03/13/2013 12:31 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote: The idea here is that it would be a desktop app that would aggregate information from ask.fedoraproject.org (as a kbase backend) as well as the Fedora docs, so you could search all places at once. If an API is needed for this functionality, it would

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On 13 Mar 2013, at 10:16, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Anyway, here is a proposal for an alternative way to deal with the boot sequence. There have been a number of suggestions that have taken a Windows 8 approach to this problem -- auto-detecting error conditions or enabling one to "reboot"

Re: Fwd: MariaDB replacing MySQL

On 03/13/2013 09:27 AM, Norvald H. Ryeng wrote: We now changed the Requires in akonadi-mysql to mariadb-server to be sure of what we get. This dependency is a problem. It makes it impossible to install MySQL-server on a KDE system since mariadb-server and MySQL-server conflict. I don't think

Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience

On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:52:24 -0400 Mike Pinkerton wrote: > + If a user could hold the key down from before power on until the > boot options menu appeared, then Fedora could still do extremely fast > booting without presenting the user with a short time interval to > hit. If grub finds th

Re: Fwd: MariaDB replacing MySQL

On 03/13/2013 09:27 AM, Norvald H. Ryeng wrote: On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:25:02 +0100, Honza Horak wrote: On 03/12/2013 01:14 PM, Norvald H. Ryeng wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 19:58:03 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Honza Horak wrote: This doesn't solve all the issues -- if package like akonadi-my

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