Reindl Harald wrote:
> oh even if people like i did some hundret dist-upgrades over the
> years it was us told that linux has to go the windows way:
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OfflineSystemUpdates
Yeah, this is a really insane "feature"!
Let me assure you that this "feature" is o
Jan Kratochvil wrote:
> From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such machines
> because nobody tests the bleeding edge Fedora kernels on such obsolete
> hardware.
FYI, kernel-3.7.3-101.fc17.i686 runs fine on a Pentium 4 Northwood (which
predates EM64T, i.e. what's now known a
James Hogarth wrote:
> Right now there's no roadmap for 4.0 - no milestone dates, alpha dates or
> beta dates... The best that exists for this is a nightly snapshot from
> trunk covered in caveats about how unstable it's likely to be.
>
> The openoffice.org wiki doesn't even mention 3.4 much less
Jef Spaleta wrote:
> yum info dpkg
That dpkg package is there only for tools like debootstrap or alien to work,
not as an alternative to RPM.
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Adam Williamson wrote:
> It's an *initial* state, not a never-changing one. When I first decided
> I was going to try Linux, I wanted to try Linux. I wanted exactly what
> our download page gives you - a simple link to a thing called Linux I
> could download and fiddle with. I'm not sure I wanted m
Debarshi Ray wrote:
>> I know this applies, but installing gnome-shell pulls in gdm.
>>
>> I.e. removing gdm without removing gnone-shell is not possible.
>
> Because gnome-shell (running in a special mode) is nowadays the greeter
> used by GDM. That does not mean GDM won't let you log into KDE
Debarshi Ray wrote:
>> Keep in mind that to get to the point of installing an "alternative-only
>> DE", in current Fedora, you normally first have a full blown Gnome3
>> installed, which is close to impossible to get rid of.
>
> [citation needed]
There's no straightforward way to remove GNOME: "
Adam Williamson wrote:
> ...but as Rahul said, they all allow you to log in to any desktop. There
> seems to be a meme in this thread that GDM does not, but that's not
> correct, it does. The choice is not visible unless you actually have
> multiple desktops installed, but when you do, it gives you
drago01 wrote:
> There is no easy way to install applications (regular user don't want
> to mess up with packages).
Huh? Fire up gnome-packagekit or Apper, choose your app, make 2 or 3 clicks
(install, apply, confirm dependencies if any), enter your root password and
the app is there. How do you
Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 02:59 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> , but since you started it: OpenSUSE is doing just fine
>> doing exactly what I suggest (making people actually pick their
>> download). Their download button actually points to a selector, not
>> directly to an ISO
Alec Leamas wrote:
> On 2013-02-05 21:46, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>> You ordered Gnome and have been served Pizza for a long time - now
>> you're being served Burgers :-)
>>
> Well, from a nutrition perspective that's actually a big step forward.
> Perhaps time to trust the chef? ;)
Huh? A plain c
Le 25/01/2013 19:46, Norvald Ryeng a écrit :
> We'll try to do better in the future.
So I will also try to work better,
and so will report the annoying packaging bugs.
MySQL Workbench 5.2.46 is released, so
Connector/C++
http://bugs.mysql.com/68320
Missing option for library i
Rave it wrote:
> There is a current poll at fedora forum.
> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=284463
>
> The winner is...
There are several factors which bias this poll:
* GNOME 3 is the default in Fedora, so of course more Fedora users will be
using it, merely due to the fact t
Jochen Schmitt wrote:
> Odd question, AFAIK I have understood the wiki page for this feature
> offline updates woriking only, if you are have running a GUI on your
> system. For a servere without a GuI offline update is not realize.
It is actually only implemented in gnome-packagekit. Current Appe
Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> In Scope I see "KDE's networking layers likely require an update to use
> the new API, as will any other direct client of ModemManager. However, the
> functionality that most networking applets require from ModemManager is
> fairly simple,"
Ouch, good that you noticed that
Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> Additionally we will be mass patching config.guess and config.sub to
> support aarch64 in preperation for 64 bit arm support
Ugh, this really shows how bundled autocrap sucks!
How are you going to determine the packages that need patching? Anything
running autoreconf, ./a
On 7 February 2013 16:41, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 02/07/2013 04:23 PM, Aaron Gray wrote:
>
> Can someone who knows firewalld please do a HOWTO to on setting up a
> secondary DHCP with DNS and HTTPS access for PXEBOOTing of Fedora18 please
> to go with the PXEBOOT HOWTO :-
>
> http
Michael Scherer wrote:
> Le vendredi 08 février 2013 à 16:54 +0100, Miloslav Trmač a écrit :
>> That's quite a few :( Don't forget about other formats - .der, .p12
>> at least; possibly also the native NSS and Java formats.
>
> I will add .dev and .p12. For the native formats, I am not a certifi
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Dennis Gilmore wrote:
>> Additionally we will be mass patching config.guess and config.sub to
>> support aarch64 in preperation for 64 bit arm support
>
> Ugh, this really shows how bundled autocrap sucks!
>
> How are you going to determine th
Hi Kevin,
On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 11:09:15 +0100
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> There are several factors which bias this poll:
> * GNOME 3 is the default in Fedora, so of course more Fedora users
> will be using it, merely due to the fact that it is the default.
> * Some people actually left Fedora over GNO
Peter Robinson wrote:
> Nor should anything that's run their "make dist" tarball process with
> the latest tools. Jon Masters was going to confirm if anything was
> needed for cmake and any other non autotools build tools too.
If any CMake support is needed, it will be only in the system cmake pac
Martin Sourada wrote:
> That's the first time I've seen XFCE win over GNOME, LOL.
It shouldn't be, it was the same last year (and I had already posted the
link back then). :-)
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2011-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-awards-95/desktop-environment-of-the-year-9
On 9 February 2013 00:37, drago01 wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Martin Sourada
> wrote:
>> * Gnome 3's target audience does not enclose majority of Gnome 2's
>>target audience, though it *does* have some intersection. Many of
>>those are seeing this as arrogance.
>
> Being d
Le samedi 09 février 2013 à 11:09 +0100, Kevin Kofler a écrit :
> Rave it wrote:
>
> > There is a current poll at fedora forum.
> > http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=284463
> >
> > The winner is...
>
> There are several factors which bias this poll:
> * GNOME 3 is the default in
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Ian Malone wrote:
>
>>> * Gnome 3 is going the I-know-better-then-you-what's-good-for-you
>>>way.
>>
>> Sure by giving you an extension system that allows you to do whatever
>> you want with the desktop
>>
>
> Is anyone doing that?
https://extensions.gno
Le samedi 09 février 2013 à 11:34 +, Ian Malone a écrit :
> On 9 February 2013 00:37, drago01 wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Martin Sourada
> > wrote:
>
> >> * Gnome 3's target audience does not enclose majority of Gnome 2's
> >>target audience, though it *does* have some i
On Sex, 2013-02-08 at 10:08 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> On 02/05/2013 07:43 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote:
>
> > Any advises or opinions ?
>
> I think you haven't yet described the original problem you're trying to
> solve.
Hi,
When we install VirtualBox from rpmfusion , I'd like create /dev/vbo
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 08:35:56PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
>
> Le Ven 8 février 2013 13:22, Olav Vitters a écrit :
> > On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 10:34:58AM +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote:
> >> I am providing a datapoint that directly contradicts your original
> >> statement, namely that there is a "c
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 11:21:49PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> I stand by my statement that this was a very awkward moment, with Vincent
> and the GNOME team radiating unhappiness and pretty much everyone else
> being perplexed and wondering whether they should take offence at being
> accused o
Hello:
Can someone investigate F-19 newrepo below?
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4939667
It seems that this task was created at Fri, 08 Feb 2013 21:00:33 UTC
(more than 17 hours ago) and has not completed yet.
Regards,
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Michael Scherer wrote:
> Gnome-shell is not mean to be used nor appropriate for a mobile phone.
> And despite being rather usable on a touch screen ( I tested ), it is
> still not sufficient there for 1 million of details ( Vincent Untz talk
> also said the same, see gnome people to see the details
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Reindl Harald wrote:
>> oh even if people like i did some hundret dist-upgrades over the
>> years it was us told that linux has to go the windows way:
>>
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OfflineSystemUpdates
>
> Yeah, this is a really
Michael Scherer wrote:
> Well, a majority of people think such polls are useless,
Do you have a poll to prove that? ;-)
Seriously, the only thing more inaccurate than statistic is MADE UP
statistics. :-/
> 1) 792 people. Just to compare, there is 300 people on #fedora-devel on
> irc, and 800 on
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 03:46:57PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Michael Scherer wrote:
> > Gnome-shell is not mean to be used nor appropriate for a mobile phone.
> > And despite being rather usable on a touch screen ( I tested ), it is
> > still not sufficient there for 1 million of details ( Vince
On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 23:42:10 +0900
Mamoru TASAKA wrote:
> Hello:
>
> Can someone investigate F-19 newrepo below?
> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4939667
> It seems that this task was created at Fri, 08 Feb 2013 21:00:33 UTC
> (more than 17 hours ago) and has not completed ye
Am 09.02.2013 15:52, schrieb drago01:
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Reindl Harald wrote:
>>> oh even if people like i did some hundret dist-upgrades over the
>>> years it was us told that linux has to go the windows way:
>>>
>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/O
On Sat, 2013-02-09 at 15:01 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 08:35:56PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
> >
> > Le Ven 8 février 2013 13:22, Olav Vitters a écrit :
> > > On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 10:34:58AM +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote:
> > >> I am providing a datapoint that directly co
Josh Boyer venit, vidit, dixit 08.02.2013 18:56:
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Thomas Moschny
> wrote:
>> 2013/2/8 Josh Boyer :
>>> Yes, but fedpkg is currently relying on the existing git default, which
>>> is matching. That is changing upstream in git, so fedpkg needs to set
>>> a default
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 05:38:46PM +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> The only thing I can think of is that people turning their back on you,
> not looking at you when you are asked to raise your hand on something
> they worked on, this might be intimidating to some people.
> I was not one of these
Le 09/02/2013 19:08, Alfredo Kojima a écrit :
> Hi Remi
>
> About bundled 3rd party libs, what is the general feeling among packagers
> about these?
Per packaging Guidelines, bundled libraries are forbidden
(with very rare exceptions).
See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:No_Bundled_Lib
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 10:22:41AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> drago01 wrote:
> > There is no easy way to install applications (regular user don't want
> > to mess up with packages).
>
> Huh? Fire up gnome-packagekit or Apper, choose your app, make 2 or 3 clicks
> (install, apply, confirm depend
Hi!
AFAIK, the next massive rebuild is scheduled for the 12th February, 2013.
Moreover, as you may know, Boost-1.53.0 has been successfully
built already (thanks to Petr!) on Koji:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=382788
So, as a few of you have already suggested, it may be a
On 02/09/2013 03:34 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
1. I no longer use workspaces to manage different tasks unless there
are lots of windows and then I sometimes overflow onto 2. This is
because they're less useful as you now can't switch without going to
the activities view and they aren't segregated well
On 2013-02-08, 17:42 GMT, Michael Scherer wrote:
> Of course, when i mean "ban all", I mean "unless exceptions".
> And finding those potential exceptions is also one reason to have this
> thread :)
I will try to take a look at gajim ...
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/909625
Matěj
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On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 20:26:04 +0100
Denis Arnaud wrote:
> Hi!
>
> AFAIK, the next massive rebuild is scheduled for the 12th February,
> 2013. Moreover, as you may know, Boost-1.53.0 has been successfully
> built already (thanks to Petr!) on Koji:
> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buil
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